Shaking once above 65mph?

twitchee2 · 05-16-2008, 09:23 PM

Well a while ago i noticed that i had a slight steering wheel shake between 65-75. But today i noticed it didnt stop after 75 kept going till 80 but wasnt as strong. I had my tires balanced a while ago at america's tire, i dont know if they have that special machine for toyota, but it didnt do anything so i dont think its tires. what might be causing this? I was reading it might be Ujoints. maybe i should grease them up? I wont have a chance to do it till next weekend once i get back home from college. Thanks for all your help.

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Elvota · 05-16-2008, 10:18 PM

Maybe your 4Runner is just living up to your username.

I'd jack up the front end and see if there is any play in the steering or suspension components. You'll also be checking the bearing play at the same time.

I wouldn't imagine U-Joints causing a shake at the wheel, but perhaps you could feel a vibration. Grease never hurts though.

norcalsvx · 05-16-2008, 10:25 PM

i would say that a tire weight might have fallen off or it was'nt balanced right
(when i worked at a tire store we did lots of re balanceing) take it back and have it redone for free

CJM · 05-16-2008, 10:35 PM

Redo the balancing, then check your steering stabilizer, then check the wheels and tires for being out of round to make sure if you cant figure it out

twitchee2 · 05-16-2008, 11:44 PM

there was no change from before the balance to after the balance. Thats why i think it might be something else. ill take a look at steering stuff. how should i go about checking it throughly? Its more a really quick oscillations. its not a huge shake. maybe 1/2 in to each side but it gets faster as speed increases.

SC4Runner · 05-16-2008, 11:50 PM

A lot of people have problems with worn steering rack bushings.... If you can get a buddy to turn the wheel when you are under the truck, check for play in that area.

twitchee2 · 05-16-2008, 11:52 PM

so i take it i can do that with the tires on the ground?

111db · 05-17-2008, 07:05 AM

Try swapping the front tires to the back and see if that changes anything. One tire being out of round will cause the same thing - I had to get a BFG replaced under warranty after 4000 miles and about 4 re-balances - that fixed the same issue you describe.

Yeah you can (actually: should) check the rack bushings on the ground. Just turn the steering wheel and watch the rack.

denpacc · 05-17-2008, 08:47 AM

Did you physically check your U-joints to see if there is play in it? Mine did that in my old 1988 V6 x-tra cab from about 60+miles per hour and it turned out to be the U-joint. (I found that it occurred occassionally after I put a lockrite in the rear.) Took a socket to it and the shake was history.

Cheers and good luck.

Texas_Ace · 05-17-2008, 02:35 PM

I have this same problem. Right at 60mph i get a bad shake but it stops about 65 - 70. It has done that since i got it and never changed with alliment or balancing.

I am thinking it might be the bushings. They are cheap to replace i just have not got around to it. If you figure it out be sure to post it.

SC4Runner · 05-17-2008, 06:12 PM

I've actually had this problem. I just rotated/balanced the tires, and it went away. Course, you could have other problems. Try the easy stuff first!

Ohio4R · 05-17-2008, 08:29 PM

Usually all toyota trucks have this problem.

twitchee2 · 05-18-2008, 06:12 PM

well i think you guys are right about the steering bushing. I noticed that if i was going strait for a while it would not shake. Its more just vibrating the car more then shaking the steering wheel. It would continue to be nice and smooth until i turned to correct for wind or a bend in the road. Then it would shake and eventually stop after a while on a strait away. Im going to physically look at them later tonight or tomorrow but where can i order bushings?

twitchee2 · 05-18-2008, 11:31 PM

Checked it out in the parking lot and the whole rack moves a good 1/8-1/4 inch in the bushings. ill be ordering new ones in a day or 2. How difficult is the job?

infiltrator · 05-19-2008, 12:34 AM

I do have this problem too. Mine vibrates when I brake, and when I go at high speeds. I know the brakes are probably the rotors. I will get a new set, and rotate the tires. If that doesn't do anything, watch out!

Sandman · 05-19-2008, 05:54 AM

I've had this prob...after replacing the all 4 shocks, new tires,alignment,poly steering rack bushings, balancing & balancing & rotating...the problem is still there. The tre's seem tight but I notice some odd play in the steering. I lifted the front of the truck off the ground and removed the boot on the driver's side steering arm. When I push the tire in and out, it looks as if the horizontal steering rod travels up or down slightly in addition to moving in and out. Maybe the whole steering rack is to blame? How would I be able to determine if it's the rack?

ted · 05-19-2008, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJM

Redo the balancing, then check your steering stabilizer, then check the wheels and tires for being out of round to make sure if you cant figure it out

I am pretty sure, 3rd Gen runners dont have steering stabilizers.

Quattro15 · 06-01-2008, 06:04 AM

Is there a walkthrough for replacing the bushings?

What are all the things that could be the problem if a yota is getting very slight vibration at 65-70mph?

I know it could be tires/balance/alignment, but all that is covered with mine.
Then you have the bushings and steering rack? Which is what I'm thinking the issue is.

What else could it be if that doesn't fix it?

Has anyone ever had this problem and fixed it? I keep hearing of the issue but no 100% fixes.

dirtoyboy · 06-01-2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio4R

Usually all toyota trucks have this problem.

Maybe all of your toyota trucks......

The easy solution would be to avoid driving between 65-75 miles per hour hehe...

Sandman · 06-01-2008, 08:25 AM

I'm thinking new steering rack now

ted · 06-01-2008, 08:29 AM

rack ends or maybe your tierod ends, you can check them by jacking up both sides that would permit you to move the tires by hand... another good/knowledgeable eyes will really be a help.

twitchee2 · 06-01-2008, 08:57 AM

I have another post where someone posted write up for replacing the bushings. im replacing mine in a little later today.

Quattro15 · 06-01-2008, 09:27 AM

Do you have a link to that thread??

twitchee2 · 06-01-2008, 10:25 AM

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/steering-...cement-146476/

runner00 · 06-12-2008, 04:32 PM

I have the same problem, changed rack bushings, new tires and alignment, still vibrates - checked u-joints etc. how can you tell if the hub is bad?

05-16-2008, 10:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	Maybe your 4Runner is just living up to your username. I'd jack up the front end and see if there is any play in the steering or suspension components. You'll also be checking the bearing play at the same time. I wouldn't imagine U-Joints causing a shake at the wheel, but perhaps you could feel a vibration. Grease never hurts though. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

05-16-2008, 10:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
norcalsvx Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alpine--GRASS valley, CA Posts: 2,132	i would say that a tire weight might have fallen off or it was'nt balanced right (when i worked at a tire store we did lots of re balanceing) take it back and have it redone for free __________________ 1994 toy 22re- http://www.yotatech.com/f86/nocalsvx-s-94-toy-104593/ 2006 Subaru Forester XT -some mods/awd 5spd 1994 Subaru SVX- hwy runner 84 RX7- drag car build

05-16-2008, 10:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
CJM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central NJ Posts: 4,561	Redo the balancing, then check your steering stabilizer, then check the wheels and tires for being out of round to make sure if you cant figure it out __________________ 96' T100 SR5 4x4, ISR mod, Custom ABS snorkel, KC 57's Hella optilux el cheapo backup lights. Cobra 19III CB, Firestick 4ft antenna, Bilstein shocks. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

05-16-2008, 11:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
twitchee2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socal/Chico Posts: 388	there was no change from before the balance to after the balance. Thats why i think it might be something else. ill take a look at steering stuff. how should i go about checking it throughly? Its more a really quick oscillations. its not a huge shake. maybe 1/2 in to each side but it gets faster as speed increases. __________________ -Eric 2002 SR5 4WD Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 265/75/16C Deck plate + ISR OME 881/890 Tundra 231mm Brakes - yes they DO fit the stock 5 spoke rims Last edited by twitchee2; 05-16-2008 at 11:46 PM.

05-16-2008, 11:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,885	A lot of people have problems with worn steering rack bushings.... If you can get a buddy to turn the wheel when you are under the truck, check for play in that area. __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe.

05-16-2008, 11:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
twitchee2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socal/Chico Posts: 388	so i take it i can do that with the tires on the ground? __________________ -Eric 2002 SR5 4WD Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 265/75/16C Deck plate + ISR OME 881/890 Tundra 231mm Brakes - yes they DO fit the stock 5 spoke rims

05-17-2008, 07:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
111db Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 1,215	Try swapping the front tires to the back and see if that changes anything. One tire being out of round will cause the same thing - I had to get a BFG replaced under warranty after 4000 miles and about 4 re-balances - that fixed the same issue you describe. Yeah you can (actually: should) check the rack bushings on the ground. Just turn the steering wheel and watch the rack. __________________ Jon *97 4Runner 3.4 4.88's * ARB Lockers F/R * ARB compressor * Sonoran Steel numba 1 * 285 BFG AT/KO * TJM 17 * BudBuilt Skids * Stubbs Sliders & BBQ sauce * Irbis out back * Various Electronic Gadgets**

05-17-2008, 08:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
denpacc Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 194	Did you physically check your U-joints to see if there is play in it? Mine did that in my old 1988 V6 x-tra cab from about 60+miles per hour and it turned out to be the U-joint. (I found that it occurred occassionally after I put a lockrite in the rear.) Took a socket to it and the shake was history. Cheers and good luck. __________________ 1997 3.4 4Runner, 5spd, e-locker, SS#1.1 Lift, 265/75/R16 Dick Cepek FCII Coming soon: ARB front bumper with T-Max or Warn winch, sliders, snorkel, etc.

05-17-2008, 06:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,885	I've actually had this problem. I just rotated/balanced the tires, and it went away. Course, you could have other problems. Try the easy stuff first! __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe.

05-17-2008, 08:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ohio4R Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 213	Usually all toyota trucks have this problem. __________________ 2000 4Runner 4x4 Sr5 173K, 2x Procomp lights, 3" Toytec lift, Diff. drop, Gunmetal painted rims, 285/75/16 Dunlop Radial Mud Rovers, audio system, TomTom GPS, Summit Racing Muffler, Rear Cargo Storage/Sleeping Deck.

05-18-2008, 06:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
twitchee2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socal/Chico Posts: 388	well i think you guys are right about the steering bushing. I noticed that if i was going strait for a while it would not shake. Its more just vibrating the car more then shaking the steering wheel. It would continue to be nice and smooth until i turned to correct for wind or a bend in the road. Then it would shake and eventually stop after a while on a strait away. Im going to physically look at them later tonight or tomorrow but where can i order bushings? __________________ -Eric 2002 SR5 4WD Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 265/75/16C Deck plate + ISR OME 881/890 Tundra 231mm Brakes - yes they DO fit the stock 5 spoke rims

05-18-2008, 11:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
twitchee2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socal/Chico Posts: 388	Checked it out in the parking lot and the whole rack moves a good 1/8-1/4 inch in the bushings. ill be ordering new ones in a day or 2. How difficult is the job? __________________ -Eric 2002 SR5 4WD Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 265/75/16C Deck plate + ISR OME 881/890 Tundra 231mm Brakes - yes they DO fit the stock 5 spoke rims

05-19-2008, 12:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
infiltrator Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Valencia, California Posts: 1,305	I do have this problem too. Mine vibrates when I brake, and when I go at high speeds. I know the brakes are probably the rotors. I will get a new set, and rotate the tires. If that doesn't do anything, watch out! __________________ Old Rig: '95 4runner \| White \| ISR \| 193,000mi. \| Totalled.

05-19-2008, 05:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
Sandman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 72	I've had this prob...after replacing the all 4 shocks, new tires,alignment,poly steering rack bushings, balancing & balancing & rotating...the problem is still there. The tre's seem tight but I notice some odd play in the steering. I lifted the front of the truck off the ground and removed the boot on the driver's side steering arm. When I push the tire in and out, it looks as if the horizontal steering rod travels up or down slightly in addition to moving in and out. Maybe the whole steering rack is to blame? How would I be able to determine if it's the rack? __________________ 90 4runner 4cyl-5spd, detroit lockers - 5.29 gears,All Pro hd rear coils, 25mm torsion bars, 2" bl,Warn manual hubs, 33s 99 4runner 6cyl auto RIP (hit a deer) 97 4runner V6-5spd 4x4, e-locker with 2wd/4wd mod, isr & airbox elbo mod Last edited by Sandman; 05-19-2008 at 05:56 AM.

06-01-2008, 06:04 AM	#18 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Is there a walkthrough for replacing the bushings? What are all the things that could be the problem if a yota is getting very slight vibration at 65-70mph? I know it could be tires/balance/alignment, but all that is covered with mine. Then you have the bushings and steering rack? Which is what I'm thinking the issue is. What else could it be if that doesn't fix it? Has anyone ever had this problem and fixed it? I keep hearing of the issue but no 100% fixes.

06-01-2008, 08:25 AM	#20 (permalink)
Sandman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 72	I'm thinking new steering rack now __________________ 90 4runner 4cyl-5spd, detroit lockers - 5.29 gears,All Pro hd rear coils, 25mm torsion bars, 2" bl,Warn manual hubs, 33s 99 4runner 6cyl auto RIP (hit a deer) 97 4runner V6-5spd 4x4, e-locker with 2wd/4wd mod, isr & airbox elbo mod

06-01-2008, 08:29 AM	#21 (permalink)
ted Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: philippines Posts: 104	rack ends or maybe your tierod ends, you can check them by jacking up both sides that would permit you to move the tires by hand... another good/knowledgeable eyes will really be a help.

06-01-2008, 08:57 AM	#22 (permalink)
twitchee2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socal/Chico Posts: 388	I have another post where someone posted write up for replacing the bushings. im replacing mine in a little later today. __________________ -Eric 2002 SR5 4WD Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 265/75/16C Deck plate + ISR OME 881/890 Tundra 231mm Brakes - yes they DO fit the stock 5 spoke rims

06-01-2008, 09:27 AM	#23 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Do you have a link to that thread??

06-01-2008, 10:25 AM	#24 (permalink)
twitchee2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socal/Chico Posts: 388	http://www.yotatech.com/f2/steering-...cement-146476/ __________________ -Eric 2002 SR5 4WD Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 265/75/16C Deck plate + ISR OME 881/890 Tundra 231mm Brakes - yes they DO fit the stock 5 spoke rims

06-12-2008, 04:32 PM	#25 (permalink)
runner00 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St. Louis Mo. Area Posts: 27	I have the same problem, changed rack bushings, new tires and alignment, still vibrates - checked u-joints etc. how can you tell if the hub is bad? __________________ 2000 4Runner SR5 Stock for now Intake elbow & ISR removed ~ High Flow Air Filter Extended rear differential breather Polygraphite Steering Rack Bushings 265/75/16 Kumho Roadventures (Maxxis Bighorns comming soon) IPF lights Auxilery Reverse Lights WabFab quick disconnect sway bar links 91 Mustang GT Modified

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