Service Manual on CD
02-26-2003, 12:04 AM
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Service Manual on CD
Hi all;
Based on the thread about service manuals on eBay, I did some wandering and found this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2405298023
David (Yoda) had thought that someone here had bought this CD and suggested that I start a new thread to ask about it.
Looking at the guy's recent eBay history there are a couple of people that are saying it's all text, it's a dupe of copyrighted material, it's worse than Chilton's... etc. So, I wrote him with these questions:
and got this response:
So I dunno what to think... While I think that paper is better, for $36 this might be worthwhile as a supplement if it really is the FSM on disc.
Any thoughts? Does anyone have first-hand experience with this guy's offerings? He's selling a number of variations...
Thanks!
Mark
Based on the thread about service manuals on eBay, I did some wandering and found this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2405298023
David (Yoda) had thought that someone here had bought this CD and suggested that I start a new thread to ask about it.
Looking at the guy's recent eBay history there are a couple of people that are saying it's all text, it's a dupe of copyrighted material, it's worse than Chilton's... etc. So, I wrote him with these questions:
I'm quite interested in the CD, but I'm wondering a bit about how it's organized...
- Are these HTML files with embedded images? Or are they PDF's?
- If they're PDFs, then are they searchable?
- What's the original source of the material? Is it a collection of stuff from around the 'net or are they scans of the factorty service manuals?
- Are you the publisher of the CD, or is it a 3rd party that you're reselling for?
- Are these HTML files with embedded images? Or are they PDF's?
- If they're PDFs, then are they searchable?
- What's the original source of the material? Is it a collection of stuff from around the 'net or are they scans of the factorty service manuals?
- Are you the publisher of the CD, or is it a 3rd party that you're reselling for?
Hi,
This is the original factory repair manual put on cd in pdf format in over 80 files with over 1500 pages of comprehensive information and hundreds of diagrams and illustrations.
This manual covers about 98% of all electrical and mechanical aspects of the vehicle.
Thanks
Ron
This is the original factory repair manual put on cd in pdf format in over 80 files with over 1500 pages of comprehensive information and hundreds of diagrams and illustrations.
This manual covers about 98% of all electrical and mechanical aspects of the vehicle.
Thanks
Ron
Any thoughts? Does anyone have first-hand experience with this guy's offerings? He's selling a number of variations...
Thanks!
Mark
02-27-2003, 08:05 AM
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i went to the dealer to get some small parts for my truck..he was using the cd to find it and i got to look at how it was laid out for my 4runner.....its detailed, concise, and easy to use...if the one on ebay is the same i think its a great deal. I would rather have th cd than the book anyday. it also has part numbers for small hard to find things.
02-27-2003, 09:17 AM
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My father in law bought me a Honda Accord "Service Manual" on ebay for Christmas.
I kid you not, the ENTIRE original was copied and bound in a cheap brass binder.
Yeah, that's legal. :eek:
I would be skeptical of anything. No experience with the CD service manuals though...
I kid you not, the ENTIRE original was copied and bound in a cheap brass binder.
Yeah, that's legal. :eek:
I would be skeptical of anything. No experience with the CD service manuals though...
02-27-2003, 09:37 AM
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I work at a printing company & could easily print out an infinite number of books from the cd. is it legal?? not if i were making money off it? but first you have to find out if the transaction from manual to pdf to cd was legal? but if i were in a 4runner club, id just have every one antae-up for just the cd and everyone gets hardcopies. or you could just burn the cd. but i wouldnt break the law or anything like that.
02-27-2003, 05:59 PM
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I personally wouldn't buy from that person judging from their 50 Negative Feedbacks.
Corey posted a link a while back to a 2nd Gen one that a member had gotten from E-Bay, so this may give you some idea of what it will probably be like, here's the link... 2nd Gen Service Manual on CD
I'd try and find someone else selling it with less negative feedback. Just my thoughts.
-Braden
Corey posted a link a while back to a 2nd Gen one that a member had gotten from E-Bay, so this may give you some idea of what it will probably be like, here's the link... 2nd Gen Service Manual on CD
I'd try and find someone else selling it with less negative feedback. Just my thoughts.
-Braden
02-27-2003, 08:23 PM
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Hey all;
It looks like I'm gonna get some first-hand experience with the '96 Limited CD that's out and about. I should be able to have a look in a couple of days. I'll let ya' know what it like.
It looks like I'm gonna get some first-hand experience with the '96 Limited CD that's out and about. I should be able to have a look in a couple of days. I'll let ya' know what it like.
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03-06-2003, 05:20 PM
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I got a look at the Service Manual CD today. It's made up of 105 PDF files comprising about 49meg of disk space.
This is the directory (files sizes in bytes and file names):
All of the PDFs are in text mode, and are searchable as such. There are thumbnails, but no bookmarks. There is no master index per se'.
The only source statement I've found is one in the "How to use system wiring diagrams" PDF which says:
The PDF properties don't give any clues either, just saying that Ghostscript was used to generate them back in July of 2002.
(btw, the wiring diagrams are VERY clear and so far have checked out to be accurate for my truck)
I've never seen a real FSM, so I don't know if that's what this really is or not. I'm thinking _not_.
"Executive Summary": I think it's worthwhile to have as a reference and the price is tough to beat, but paper is handier overall.
This is the directory (files sizes in bytes and file names):
Code:
Directory of F:\Toyota Manual\1996\* 49,962,579 bytes in 105 files 1,559,659 24L_4CYL.PDF 349,646 HEATER_SYSTEM.PDF 1,612,308 27L_4CYL.PDF 129,693 HOW_TO_USE_SYSTEM_WIRING_DI.PDF 1,207,050 34LV6_NV_5VZ_FE.PDF 54,382 H_TESTS_WITHOUT_CODES_27L.PDF 1,944,151 34L_V6.PDF 54,471 H_TESTS_WITHOUT_CODES_34L.PDF 100,934 ABBREVIATIONS.PDF 38,257 INCORRECT_LABELS_ON_SUNVISO.PDF 368,671 AC_HEATER_SYSTEM_MANUAL.PDF 485,869 INSTRUMENT_PANEL.PDF 150,258 AC_HEATER_SYSTEM_UNIFORM_IN.PDF 48,688 INTERFERENCE_VERIFICATION_C.PDF 149,124 AC_SYSTEM_GENERAL_SERVICING.PDF 676,116 I_SYSTEM_COMPONENTS_TESTS_2.PDF 563,169 AIR_BAG_RESTRAINT_SYSTEM.PDF 688,399 I_SYSTEM_COMPONENTS_TESTS_3.PDF 247,009 ALTERNATOR_AND_REGULATOR.PDF 36,381 JACKING_AND_HOISTING.PDF 44,224 ANTI_LOCK_BRAKE_SAFETY_PREC.PDF 338,023 J_PIN_VOLTAGE_CHARTS.PDF 1,822,873 ANTI_LOCK_BRAKE_SYSTEM.PDF 367,430 J_PIN_VOLTAGE_CHARTS_34L.PDF 2,405,986 AUTO_TRANS_DIAGNOSIS_A340WO.PDF 108,628 K_SENSOR_RANGE_CHARTS.PDF 249,426 AXLE_SHAFTS_FRONT_4WD.PDF 106,086 K_SENSOR_RANGE_CHARTS_34L.PDF 143,987 A_ENGINE_VIN_ID.PDF 179,571 LOCKING_HUBS.PDF 337,186 BRAKE_SYSTEM.PDF 319,684 L_WIRING_DIAGRAMS.PDF 138,778 BRAKE_SYSTEM_UNIFORM_INSPEC.PDF 387,697 L_WIRING_DIAGRAMS_34L.PDF 50,640 B_EMISSION_APPLICATION.PDF 638,495 MAINTENANCE_INFORMATION.PDF 411,006 CLUTCH.PDF 58,348 METRIC_CONVERSIONS.PDF 52,431 COMPRESSOR_REFRIGERANT_OIL_.PDF 175,781 MIRRORS_POWER.PDF 88,543 COMPRESSOR_SERVICING.PDF 79,656 M_VACUUM_DIAGRAMS_27L.PDF 46,603 COMPUTER_RELEARN_PROCEDURES.PDF 62,251 M_VACUUM_DIAGRAMS_34L.PDF 81,293 COOLING_SYSTEM_SPECS.PDF 269,463 N_REMOVE_INSTALL_OVERHAUL_2.PDF 384,496 CRUISE_CONTROL_SYSTEM.PDF 335,523 N_REMOVE_INSTALL_OVERHAUL_3.PDF 59,331 C_SPECS_27L.PDF 157,443 PASSIVE_RESTRAINT_SYSTEM_IN.PDF 65,056 C_SPECS_34L_V6.PDF 355,652 POWER_WINDOWS.PDF 209,979 DEFOGGER_REAR_WINDOW_AND_MI.PDF 55,383 RIDING_HEIGHT_ADJUSTMENT.PDF 505,014 DIFFERENTIAL_AND_AXLE_SHAFT.PDF 203,153 SCHEDULED_SERVICES_NORMAL_S.PDF 558,531 DIFFERENTIAL_AND_AXLE_SHAFT2.PDF 253,570 SCHEDULED_SERVICES_SEVERE_S.PDF 458,424 DIFFERENTIAL_AUTOMATIC_DISC.PDF 187,459 SCHEDULES_SERVICES_LIGHT_DU.PDF 269,085 DIFFERENTIAL_LOCK_REAR.PDF 91,345 SEATS_POWER.PDF 462,920 DOOR_LOCKS_POWER.PDF 413,074 STARTER.PDF 161,279 DRIVETRAIN_SYSTEMS_UNIFORM_.PDF 149,884 STEERING_COLUMN_STANDARD.PDF 87,772 DRIVE_BELT_ROUTING.PDF 369,289 STEERING_COLUMN_SWITCHES.PDF 584,815 D_ADJUSTMENTS_27L.PDF 422,111 STEERING_COLUMN_TILT.PDF 673,452 D_ADJUSTMENTS_34L.PDF 187,673 STEERING_UNIFORM_INSPECTION.PDF 4,820,203 ELECTRICAL_COMPONENT_LOCATO.PDF 177,255 SUN_ROOF_POWER.PDF 4,959,701 ELECTRICAL_COMPONENT_LOCATO2.PDF 87,178 SUSPENSION_FRONT_2WD.PDF 183,125 ELECTRICAL_SYSTEM_UNIFORM_I.PDF 88,106 SUSPENSION_FRONT_4WD.PDF 75,571 ELECTROSTATIC_DISCHARGE_WAR.PDF 190,108 SUSPENSION_UNIFORM_INSPECTI.PDF 75,285 ENGINE_COOLING_FAN.PDF 621,810 SYMPTOM_CHECK_LIST.PDF 926,859 ENGINE_OVERHAUL_PROCEDURES_.PDF 2,486,244 SYSTEM_WIRING_DIAGRAMS.PDF 338,316 ENGINE_SYSTEMS_UNIFORM_INSP.PDF 2,707,486 TRANSFER_CASE.PDF 68,084 EXHAUST_SYSTEM_UNIFORM_INSP.PDF 708,412 TRANSMISSION_REMOVAL_AND_IN.PDF 231,995 E_THEORY_OPERATION_27L.PDF 221,772 TRANSMISSION_REMOVAL_AND_IN2.PDF 232,921 E_THEORY_OPERATION_34L.PDF 279,205 TRANSMISSION_SERVICING_AT.PDF 127,596 FUSES_AND_CIRCUIT_BREAKERS.PDF 48,693 TRANSMISSION_SERVICING_MT.PDF 270,563 F_BASIC_TESTING_27L.PDF 270,970 TROUBLE_SHOOTING_BASIC_PROC.PDF 238,612 F_BASIC_TESTING_34L.PDF 894,478 WAVEFORMS_INJECTOR_PATTERN_.PDF 89,553 GEAR_TOOTH_CONTACT_PATTERNS.PDF 96,373 WHEEL_ALIGNMENT_SPECS_AND_P.PDF 79,431 GENERAL_COOLING_SYSTEM_SERV.PDF 146,872 WHEEL_ALIGNMENT_THEORY_OPER.PDF 413,194 G_TESTS_WITH_CODES.PDF 374,932 WIPER_WASHER_SYSTEM.PDF 341,639 G_TESTS_WITH_CODES_34L.PDF
The only source statement I've found is one in the "How to use system wiring diagrams" PDF which says:
This cd obtains wiring diagrams and technical service
bulletins, containing wiring diagram changes from the domestic and
import manufacturers. These are checked for accuracy and are all
redrawn into a consistent format for easy use.
bulletins, containing wiring diagram changes from the domestic and
import manufacturers. These are checked for accuracy and are all
redrawn into a consistent format for easy use.
(btw, the wiring diagrams are VERY clear and so far have checked out to be accurate for my truck)
I've never seen a real FSM, so I don't know if that's what this really is or not. I'm thinking _not_.
"Executive Summary": I think it's worthwhile to have as a reference and the price is tough to beat, but paper is handier overall.
03-06-2003, 05:30 PM
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Mark,
Here's experience talkin' to ya:
I bought this cd-rom for my 98 and it really sucks the big one. I bought the real Field Service Manuals (yes, the real manuals that the dealer uses) and there is NO comparison. I cannot even believe this guy claims that they are equivalent.
Save your money, splurge and get the real deal.
Bob
Here's experience talkin' to ya:
I bought this cd-rom for my 98 and it really sucks the big one. I bought the real Field Service Manuals (yes, the real manuals that the dealer uses) and there is NO comparison. I cannot even believe this guy claims that they are equivalent.
Save your money, splurge and get the real deal.
Bob
03-06-2003, 11:11 PM
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Hi Bob;
Thank you. I know you're right.
fwiw, Looking back over this thread, the link that Braden (91Runner) posted a couple of messages above is very much the same CD that I saw today though seemingly tweaked for the 2nd gens.
Thank you. I know you're right.
fwiw, Looking back over this thread, the link that Braden (91Runner) posted a couple of messages above is very much the same CD that I saw today though seemingly tweaked for the 2nd gens.
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