Seqouia VS. Armada- new champ?

FirstToy · 10-15-2003, 03:28 AM

SEQUOIA VS. ARMADA-CLICK HERE FOR THE TEST

And keep in mind the Sequoia is a few years old already.

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4RunnerFever · 10-15-2003, 10:43 AM

I'll bite.

4Runner all the way!! Seriously, the Armada is a bit trendy for my taste and the word Armada a bit to warlike.

I'd go for the Sequoia

PistonSlap · 10-15-2003, 11:24 AM

I don't really care for the Sequoia. Inside it seems kind of cheap and plain. I really don't like the Armada. I think the new 4runner is better than both unless you need all the extra room.

CruisingBama · 10-15-2003, 11:41 AM

The Armada has a interesting look, but I would go with either the 4Runner or Sequioa. Hard to beat the tried & true.

SLC Punk · 10-15-2003, 11:47 AM

That Armada looks too low!

When is Toyota going to come out with an engine to compete with that 5.6L?

X-AWDriver · 10-15-2003, 12:04 PM

I just read the specs on the Armada and it has the most HP (a bit over 300 I think) and largest towing capacity in it's class and at 9000lbs that's pretty good even the Expedition can't touch it but.........

..........it's kinda

looking. The Only Nissan 4WD I like right now is the Exterra,especially the SC'd version.

Gbost · 10-15-2003, 12:36 PM

My wife has an 02 sequia and we love it. It is a bit plain on the inside and doesn't have al the bells and whistles of some comparably priced suv's but you can't beat the way it drives and handles compared to anything else IMO.

**4x4Fink** · 10-15-2003, 12:41 PM

I've ridden in both the new 4-runner and the Sequoia and the 4R rides and drives MUCH better. It accelerates so much better too...If you need to be hauling a lot of kids or stuff then the Sequoia is the way to go.

Plus...its a Toyota...can't go wrong with Toyota buddy!

Fink

FirstToy · 10-15-2003, 01:03 PM

I guess I didn't make it clear to click on the link. Edmunds did a head to head test on both to see who is the king of full-size and the Sequoia won.

X-AWDriver · 10-15-2003, 01:38 PM

While they preferred the Sequoia they also did note that the Armada was a truck at heart while the Toyota was a truck by definition only meaning the Toyota was preferred as an easy to drive comfortable vehicle. If you needed actual work done then the Armada would be a better choice with 60 more ponies,70 more ft lbs of torque and a towing capacity of 2900 more lbs.

Hmmm,sounds like the Nissan wins if the SUV is for a man.

dbikeman · 10-15-2003, 02:57 PM

The titan is also very impressive to me, it has the same engine as the armada, and i think its good looking

DavidO06 · 10-15-2003, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by X-AWDriver
If you needed actual work done then the Armada would be a better choice with 60 more ponies,70 more ft lbs of torque and a towing capacity of 2900 more lbs.

Hmmm,sounds like the Nissan wins if the SUV is for a man.

The only problem i have with those numbers is that it seams as if Nissan pulls them staight out of there

. There are so many examples of how most of there cars are over rated on power. Infact, i beleiver there was a law suit against them on it. Just for an example, look at the new Q45 vs. the New LS. The Q has a slightly larger engine. with "50" more HP and 13 lb. ft. more torque. I beleive it is lighter and it still gets beat all around by the LS. doesn't make sense. This is even before the LS gots its new 6 speed.

Paul H. · 10-15-2003, 04:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by DavidO06
[b]The only problem i have with those numbers is that it seams as if Nissan pulls them staight out of there

. There are so many examples of how most of there cars are over rated on power.

In the newest issue of Off-Road Adventures mag. they dyno-tested a new Tundra and found that it was only putting out 190hp instead of the claimed 245hp. It seems like even Toyota ups the horsepower.:pat:

ravencr · 10-15-2003, 04:33 PM

Nissan's hp and torque figures are about exact as they come. They have tested the titan against the ford, chevy, and dodge 1/2 tons and it smokes them all, period in all out power for towing. The armada has the same engine/drivetrain, and nothing can touch it in usable power, because the torque comes on at such a low rpm, making towing a great thing with either of them.

Chris

X-AWDriver · 10-15-2003, 04:34 PM

The dyno #s would be wheel horsepower and on a engine rated at 245hp at the crank that sounds about right.

I don't even want to think how much (or how little) wheelhorse our 183hp at the crank gets to the ground. :cry:

pinoy · 10-15-2003, 05:39 PM

Don't Toyota's always lose out when it comes to HP?

Juggalo · 10-15-2003, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavidO06
Just for an example, look at the new Q45 vs. the New LS. The Q has a slightly larger engine. with "50" more HP and 13 lb. ft. more torque. I beleive it is lighter and it still gets beat all around by the LS. doesn't make sense. This is even before the LS gots its new 6 speed.

If you're talking about the Lexus LS430 (that doesen't have a 6 speed BTW) which seems to be the only contender to the Q45 with the name LS. You should know that the only reason most magazines say the Lexus is the winner is because it's all around better as a luxury car. The Q45 smokes in on the track in every way possible.

I've driven the LS430 w/19" chrome wheels, and it felt pretty damn slow, in fact we raced a Integra LS (non VTEC) in a 1/4 mile, and the LS430 only won by 2 car length's against a 16 sec Integra.

The Q45 is a much more powerful car, that can hold it's own against S500's, 740il's, and leave A8's in it's rear view mirror without a problem (I've driven all of the above multiple times)

Lexus has always been behind in performance number's, but that's not what Lexus buyer's want, so Lexus gives them exactly what they do want, which is the best and quietest ride possible with Toyota quality and price.

Juggalo

Dude236 · 10-15-2003, 10:56 PM

if i required a fullsize i doubt id get either one. id go american. the sequoia needs a bigger v8 and the armada i just dont really like. oh ya and 190 wheel hp is 223 crank hp using a 15% loss. so the tundra is a little overrated. but all cars are for the most part. also nissan didnt compare to chevy's 2500 suburban with the 8.1 and 6.0 v8s, they also didnt compare fords new 3v 300hp 5.4l, so basically they manipulated the tests to make them look good, what else would you expect from a company that wants to make money

DavidO06 · 10-16-2003, 10:49 AM

Actually, the 2004 LS430 has a SIX speed automatic. Even the 5 speed automatic from 2001-2003 beats the Q45 from 0-60. The 5 speed was 6.3 and the new 6 speed w/ same HP is 5.9. Nissan/Infinity doesn't post their performance specs. on their websited but i have seen anywhere from 6.0-6.5 0-60. The LS also wins in the 1/4mi. And i have driven the 2001 LS430 w/ a 5speed MANY times, and it certainly does not feel slow. And as far as the S500 and new 745...yeah, they both get beat to 60mph by the new LS. The s500 is 6.1 and last i checked the 745 was 6.3. And i have also driven these and the 745 does not feel that great. And just in addition, the LS destroys them all at braking.

10-15-2003, 10:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
4RunnerFever Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 883	I'll bite. 4Runner all the way!! Seriously, the Armada is a bit trendy for my taste and the word Armada a bit to warlike. I'd go for the Sequoia __________________ 2004 Tacoma Double Cab, TRD Off-Road, PIAA fogs, ARE Shell, Yakima, etc. 4RunnerFever _______ GBNF: 1998-3rd Gen-4Runner, SR5, 4WD, TRD Supercharger, TRD Cat-Back, 3-inch Revtek Suspension Lift, 285/75-16 Revos, 4Crawler Offroad 1" body lift, Sonoran Trac Bar, Hayden Cooler, Hood Scoop, 'Outback' Mod, Optima 34R, Amsoil, Yakima, PIAA, etc. Sold to Mastacox.

10-15-2003, 11:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
SLC Punk Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 5,875	That Armada looks too low! When is Toyota going to come out with an engine to compete with that 5.6L? __________________ -Travis 1997 4Runner SR5 V6 4X4 Supercharged Desert Dune SOLD :( 1992 Celica All Trac (AWD-Turbo) #223 of 271 US spec for 1992 FOR SALE 2005 Tundra Double Cab Limited 4X4 2.5" lift 265/70R17 Dueler Revo's 4Runner and Celica Webpage

10-15-2003, 12:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,176	I just read the specs on the Armada and it has the most HP (a bit over 300 I think) and largest towing capacity in it's class and at 9000lbs that's pretty good even the Expedition can't touch it but......... ..........it's kinda looking. The Only Nissan 4WD I like right now is the Exterra,especially the SC'd version. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-15-2003, 12:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gbost Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Puyallup, WA. Posts: 300	My wife has an 02 sequia and we love it. It is a bit plain on the inside and doesn't have al the bells and whistles of some comparably priced suv's but you can't beat the way it drives and handles compared to anything else IMO. __________________ ______________________________ -Greg-

10-15-2003, 12:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
4x4Fink Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Centerton, AR Posts: 5,952	I've ridden in both the new 4-runner and the Sequoia and the 4R rides and drives MUCH better. It accelerates so much better too...If you need to be hauling a lot of kids or stuff then the Sequoia is the way to go. Plus...its a Toyota...can't go wrong with Toyota buddy! Fink __________________ 1985 4Runner 22RE 4WD "Ratchet" 2007 Tacoma Double Cab SB 4x4 V6 TRD Sport AR-TTORA "My work number is 9-1-1."

10-15-2003, 11:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
PistonSlap Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 164	I don't really care for the Sequoia. Inside it seems kind of cheap and plain. I really don't like the Armada. I think the new 4runner is better than both unless you need all the extra room.

10-15-2003, 11:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
CruisingBama Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 71	The Armada has a interesting look, but I would go with either the 4Runner or Sequioa. Hard to beat the tried & true.

10-15-2003, 01:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,176	While they preferred the Sequoia they also did note that the Armada was a truck at heart while the Toyota was a truck by definition only meaning the Toyota was preferred as an easy to drive comfortable vehicle. If you needed actual work done then the Armada would be a better choice with 60 more ponies,70 more ft lbs of torque and a towing capacity of 2900 more lbs. Hmmm,sounds like the Nissan wins if the SUV is for a man. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-15-2003, 02:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
dbikeman Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 565	The titan is also very impressive to me, it has the same engine as the armada, and i think its good looking __________________ David Anderson Hit me up on AIM at Dbikeman85(im always on) 98 4runner SR5 w/99bumper 99 scoop hood and 99 headlights Clarion VRX935VD 7" flip out, Excessive Amperage 200amp alt. Kicker Kx1200.1 amp, Eclipse Titanium 12 Stinger 0 gauge and stinger cap. Xstatic Batcap Jaos Aero Billet grille Jason B clears in the corners and bumpers Clear Tailights Magnaflow 18" with 3" Magnaflow tip

10-15-2003, 04:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	Nissan's hp and torque figures are about exact as they come. They have tested the titan against the ford, chevy, and dodge 1/2 tons and it smokes them all, period in all out power for towing. The armada has the same engine/drivetrain, and nothing can touch it in usable power, because the torque comes on at such a low rpm, making towing a great thing with either of them. Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

10-15-2003, 04:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,176	The dyno #s would be wheel horsepower and on a engine rated at 245hp at the crank that sounds about right. I don't even want to think how much (or how little) wheelhorse our 183hp at the crank gets to the ground. :cry: __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-15-2003, 05:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
pinoy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 174	Don't Toyota's always lose out when it comes to HP?

10-15-2003, 10:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
Dude236 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: sammamish, wa Posts: 52	if i required a fullsize i doubt id get either one. id go american. the sequoia needs a bigger v8 and the armada i just dont really like. oh ya and 190 wheel hp is 223 crank hp using a 15% loss. so the tundra is a little overrated. but all cars are for the most part. also nissan didnt compare to chevy's 2500 suburban with the 8.1 and 6.0 v8s, they also didnt compare fords new 3v 300hp 5.4l, so basically they manipulated the tests to make them look good, what else would you expect from a company that wants to make money __________________ -----FOR SALE--------------- 1992 Toyota PU ext cab 4x4 v6 5-speed with stock 4:10s 4" Procomp Stage II suspension lift full superlift rear leaf packs 33x12.50 bfg mud terrain kms 15x8 american eagle 589s Centerforce Dual Friction clutch

10-16-2003, 10:49 AM	#19 (permalink)
DavidO06 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston, Texas/College Station Posts: 234	Actually, the 2004 LS430 has a SIX speed automatic. Even the 5 speed automatic from 2001-2003 beats the Q45 from 0-60. The 5 speed was 6.3 and the new 6 speed w/ same HP is 5.9. Nissan/Infinity doesn't post their performance specs. on their websited but i have seen anywhere from 6.0-6.5 0-60. The LS also wins in the 1/4mi. And i have driven the 2001 LS430 w/ a 5speed MANY times, and it certainly does not feel slow. And as far as the S500 and new 745...yeah, they both get beat to 60mph by the new LS. The s500 is 6.1 and last i checked the 745 was 6.3. And i have also driven these and the 745 does not feel that great. And just in addition, the LS destroys them all at braking. __________________ '98 4Runner Limited 4x4 Mods: '99+ style headlights, BFG Alterains, Helix Power tower, Brush Guard, Driving lights with Catz bulbs, Super white Headlights, Alpine Headunit and amps, Boston Speakers, Alpine Type R sub, XM, Amsoil, performance friction pads, cross-drilled rotors, elbow removal, and some other small stuff. Last edited by DavidO06; 10-16-2003 at 03:42 PM.

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