Remote Starter...Ignition Override

tarheelrunner · 01-02-2005, 11:02 AM

I am trying to install a remote starter on my 2000 4runner. I've got everything in place but I can't override the ignition system with the remote. The only way the remote will start the car is if the key is in the ignition.
I'm pretty stuck at this point, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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MTL_4runner · 01-02-2005, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelrunner

I am trying to install a remote starter on my 2000 4runner. I've got everything in place but I can't override the ignition system with the remote. The only way the remote will start the car is if the key is in the ignition.
I'm pretty stuck at this point, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Do you have a factory alarm installed as well?
If so you may need to override that to allow it to start.

WT · 01-02-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelrunner

I am trying to install a remote starter on my 2000 4runner. I've got everything in place but I can't override the ignition system with the remote. The only way the remote will start the car is if the key is in the ignition.
I'm pretty stuck at this point, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Hmm my best guess without knowing the wireing information for your model alarm and 4Runner. Sounds like if the only time it will remote start is if you have the key is on, sounds like you have the power source to the relay pack going to +12v only when the key is on and not to a constant +12v source but this is only a guess.

tarheelrunner · 01-03-2005, 10:00 AM

After reading a few websites a little more closely, I figured out you have to buy a bypass module to make the computer think that the key is in the ignition. Picked it up at the local audio shop for $30, put it in, and now everything is working fine.
Install was a little trick thanks to the crappy directions, but remote start for $75 total isn't too bad!!

FlzRider · 01-04-2005, 05:00 PM

I tried researching this mod a while back but nothing came out of it. The only thing holding me back is wether or not that bypass module (which is necessary i beleive) makes my car less secure because it makes the chip in the key useless. Any links to the kit you bought?

MTL_4runner · 01-04-2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlzRider

I tried researching this mod a while back but nothing came out of it. The only thing holding me back is wether or not that bypass module (which is necessary i beleive) makes my car less secure because it makes the chip in the key useless. Any links to the kit you bought?

Yes, the bypass does disable this feature but all the other security stays in place.
The convienence of an alarm with remote start more than makes up for it in my book.

Amir904 · 01-04-2005, 08:06 PM

i guess the newer keys have the transponders built in, so u need a bypass module. i had one installed in my 98, didnt need the bypass module. no bypass module means 1 extra key.

bosco659 · 01-04-2005, 09:37 PM

I'm about to do the same instal in my '00 Runner. The remote starter is made by Bulldog Security and I am just waiting to get a "T Harness" to simplify the install (less cutting and splicing of the factory wiring harness). I understand that I will need a bypass module as well. Bulldog apparently has two types of bypass modules - one where you insert a key and the other has the ability to "learn" the bypass codes / signals.

Was it a real PITA to install?

tarheelrunner · 01-05-2005, 06:39 AM

My remote starter is made by Bulldog Security also. I didn't get the "T harness", prob would have saved some time but I figured I didn't really need it. The install wasn't too bad, just took me a little while to find a few of the wires b/c this was my first time installing something like this. I got a universal bypass module from the local audio store, so I did lose a key but I had three to begin with so I didn't care. The bypass module was pretty easy to install, prob only took me 15 min.
Overall, the install isn't too bad and well worth the $$ you save by doing it yourself.

tarheelrunner · 01-05-2005, 06:43 AM

Unless I'm reading something wrong, I don't think that the bypass module makes the transponder useless. The only time that the bypass module disables it is when the power is sent to the remote starter (and also to the bypass module) and is started. I am pretty sure that the transponder is still effective the rest of the time.

MTL_4runner · 01-05-2005, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelrunner

Unless I'm reading something wrong, I don't think that the bypass module makes the transponder useless. The only time that the bypass module disables it is when the power is sent to the remote starter (and also to the bypass module) and is started. I am pretty sure that the transponder is still effective the rest of the time.

In order for the truck to start and run the transponder must be in range of the reciever (ie within about 18" of the key cylinder....it is not a very powerful signal). Yes there is a tiny chip built into the key (you will know the difference when you go to get it copied, non chiped goes for like $4-8 and the chipped are like $25-40). The bypass goes around this and basically makes the vehicle think the key is always there, but yes, only when running.

FlzRider · 01-05-2005, 04:21 PM

From what i read this is what i understand (correct me if im wrong) Im not exactly sure which method keeps the transponder security feature enabled? But It seems like a bypass module is necessary,(two versions) one with a spare key in it, one without.

Is there a remote starter kit, if so, where is a reliable place i can purchase one? And are there any downsides to having a rem. starter?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get as much info as i can. Thanks

***midiwall*** · 01-05-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlzRider

Is there a remote starter kit, if so, where is a reliable place i can purchase one? And are there any downsides to having a rem. starter?

A few people here (myself included) have bought and self-installed a Commando system:
http://www.commandocaralarms.com/

I have the the two-way FM-870 and love it. The install was "interesting" the first time through, it took me about 4-5 hours. If I were to do it again, it'd be about 2 hours.

I've also installed their RS-560 which is a one-way unit and it's been awesome.

fwiw, working through the options on the site says that a 1999 4Runner will require a bypass module. They have two options - one is transponder based for $20, and a more generic one which is $35. The transponder based one will maintain the security of the embedded chip in the key since it'll be tagged to your transponder.

FlzRider · 01-06-2005, 01:22 PM

The FM-870 is a little more than what im looking for. I just want a remote starter that is fairly simple to use, reliable, and wont take away any security features my car already has. Anyone know something that will fit this bill?

***midiwall*** · 01-06-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FlzRider

The FM-870 is a little more than what im looking for. I just want a remote starter that is fairly simple to use, reliable, and wont take away any security features my car already has. Anyone know something that will fit this bill?

Check the Commando RS-560.... Hard to beat for $80:
http://www.commandocaralarms.com/ite...ProductID=1186

Or, the EZ-2500 for $65:
http://www.commandocaralarms.com/ite...?ProductID=495

Stay FAR away from Ultra Start. I bought one and sent it back the next day. It was JUNK.

FlzRider · 01-06-2005, 03:16 PM

The EZ-2500 looks pretty good. Do i still need to buy a bypass module, if so, which is the best for my application (i want to keep all my existant safety features)? Anything else necessary or that will make it easier to install? Thanks alot for the help

***midiwall*** · 01-06-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FlzRider

The EZ-2500 looks pretty good. Do i still need to buy a bypass module, if so, which is the best for my application (i want to keep all my existant safety features)? Anything else necessary or that will make it easier to install? Thanks alot for the help

You'll still need the bypass since you need to get the ignition hot for engine to catch while the starter turns it over.

As for "which one", I'm really not comfortable deciding for you since I don't have any first-hand experience. Drop a line or a call to "Ryan" (ryan@slickcar.com) from Commando, he's always been quite helpful to me.

Tell me "Mark from Seattle" says "hi"!

WT · 01-06-2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlzRider

The EZ-2500 looks pretty good. Do i still need to buy a bypass module, if so, which is the best for my application (i want to keep all my existant safety features)? Anything else necessary or that will make it easier to install? Thanks alot for the help

Something to think about is if you go with just a remote start unit and keep the factory alarm system you will more than likely be carrying both remotes around

just think about it, sucks to use one remote to start it and another to unlock the doors, I recently installed my system and removed my old factory one.
I prefer one remote any one system

***midiwall*** · 01-06-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WT

Something to think about is if you go with just a remote start unit and keep the factory alarm system you will more than likely be carrying both remotes around

ooo! good point!

FlzRider · 01-06-2005, 07:04 PM

I actually dont mind having two remotes. I have barely anything on my keychain.

I looked at a couple places online and am having trouble finding a toyota transponder bypass module. The ones at commando car alarms dont say if they are the kind that require a key or not?

grams72 · 01-06-2005, 07:11 PM

The only reason the bypass module would need a key is if you have a transponder (sp) chip in your ignition key.

FlzRider · 01-06-2005, 08:49 PM

1999 and on have the transponder in the key.

***midiwall*** · 01-07-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlzRider

I looked at a couple places online and am having trouble finding a toyota transponder bypass module. The ones at commando car alarms dont say if they are the kind that require a key or not?

You really should drop a line or a call to Ryan (ryan@slickcar.com)...

tarheelrunner · 01-08-2005, 09:01 AM

You don't have to get a Toyota transponder....I picked up a universal one for $30 at the local audio shop and it works fine (it did require a key).

01-03-2005, 10:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
tarheelrunner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 291	After reading a few websites a little more closely, I figured out you have to buy a bypass module to make the computer think that the key is in the ignition. Picked it up at the local audio shop for $30, put it in, and now everything is working fine. Install was a little trick thanks to the crappy directions, but remote start for $75 total isn't too bad!! __________________ 2000 4runner Limited 4wd, TJM-15 w/IPF driving lights and a Warn m8000, Stubbs Sliders, Surco safari rack, 883s up front, 890s in the rear, OME firm shocks, 2" RB body lift, Custom Hitch, 285/75 Baja MTZs on 16x8 American Racing Teflon Chambers, K&N FIPK, remote start, Pioneer 8600, 2 JL Audio 12s

01-04-2005, 05:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
FlzRider Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 86	I tried researching this mod a while back but nothing came out of it. The only thing holding me back is wether or not that bypass module (which is necessary i beleive) makes my car less secure because it makes the chip in the key useless. Any links to the kit you bought? __________________ 1999 Imperial Jade Mica Toyota 4runner Limited 4wd -Jensen Flip Down Monitor -Blaupunkt DVD/VCD/CD/Mp3 -Bed-Liner coated skidplates

01-04-2005, 08:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Amir904 Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston/Albany Posts: 866	i guess the newer keys have the transponders built in, so u need a bypass module. i had one installed in my 98, didnt need the bypass module. no bypass module means 1 extra key. __________________ 07 4runner 4.7 SR5 98 4runner 3.4 SR5 87 FJ60

01-05-2005, 06:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
tarheelrunner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 291	My remote starter is made by Bulldog Security also. I didn't get the "T harness", prob would have saved some time but I figured I didn't really need it. The install wasn't too bad, just took me a little while to find a few of the wires b/c this was my first time installing something like this. I got a universal bypass module from the local audio store, so I did lose a key but I had three to begin with so I didn't care. The bypass module was pretty easy to install, prob only took me 15 min. Overall, the install isn't too bad and well worth the $$ you save by doing it yourself. __________________ 2000 4runner Limited 4wd, TJM-15 w/IPF driving lights and a Warn m8000, Stubbs Sliders, Surco safari rack, 883s up front, 890s in the rear, OME firm shocks, 2" RB body lift, Custom Hitch, 285/75 Baja MTZs on 16x8 American Racing Teflon Chambers, K&N FIPK, remote start, Pioneer 8600, 2 JL Audio 12s

01-05-2005, 06:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
tarheelrunner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 291	Unless I'm reading something wrong, I don't think that the bypass module makes the transponder useless. The only time that the bypass module disables it is when the power is sent to the remote starter (and also to the bypass module) and is started. I am pretty sure that the transponder is still effective the rest of the time. __________________ 2000 4runner Limited 4wd, TJM-15 w/IPF driving lights and a Warn m8000, Stubbs Sliders, Surco safari rack, 883s up front, 890s in the rear, OME firm shocks, 2" RB body lift, Custom Hitch, 285/75 Baja MTZs on 16x8 American Racing Teflon Chambers, K&N FIPK, remote start, Pioneer 8600, 2 JL Audio 12s

01-04-2005, 09:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
bosco659 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 86	I'm about to do the same instal in my '00 Runner. The remote starter is made by Bulldog Security and I am just waiting to get a "T Harness" to simplify the install (less cutting and splicing of the factory wiring harness). I understand that I will need a bypass module as well. Bulldog apparently has two types of bypass modules - one where you insert a key and the other has the ability to "learn" the bypass codes / signals. Was it a real PITA to install?

01-05-2005, 04:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
FlzRider Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 86	From what i read this is what i understand (correct me if im wrong) Im not exactly sure which method keeps the transponder security feature enabled? But It seems like a bypass module is necessary,(two versions) one with a spare key in it, one without. Is there a remote starter kit, if so, where is a reliable place i can purchase one? And are there any downsides to having a rem. starter? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get as much info as i can. Thanks __________________ 1999 Imperial Jade Mica Toyota 4runner Limited 4wd -Jensen Flip Down Monitor -Blaupunkt DVD/VCD/CD/Mp3 -Bed-Liner coated skidplates Last edited by FlzRider; 01-05-2005 at 04:22 PM.

01-06-2005, 01:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
FlzRider Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 86	The FM-870 is a little more than what im looking for. I just want a remote starter that is fairly simple to use, reliable, and wont take away any security features my car already has. Anyone know something that will fit this bill? __________________ 1999 Imperial Jade Mica Toyota 4runner Limited 4wd -Jensen Flip Down Monitor -Blaupunkt DVD/VCD/CD/Mp3 -Bed-Liner coated skidplates

01-06-2005, 03:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
FlzRider Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 86	The EZ-2500 looks pretty good. Do i still need to buy a bypass module, if so, which is the best for my application (i want to keep all my existant safety features)? Anything else necessary or that will make it easier to install? Thanks alot for the help __________________ 1999 Imperial Jade Mica Toyota 4runner Limited 4wd -Jensen Flip Down Monitor -Blaupunkt DVD/VCD/CD/Mp3 -Bed-Liner coated skidplates

01-06-2005, 07:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
FlzRider Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 86	I actually dont mind having two remotes. I have barely anything on my keychain. I looked at a couple places online and am having trouble finding a toyota transponder bypass module. The ones at commando car alarms dont say if they are the kind that require a key or not? __________________ 1999 Imperial Jade Mica Toyota 4runner Limited 4wd -Jensen Flip Down Monitor -Blaupunkt DVD/VCD/CD/Mp3 -Bed-Liner coated skidplates

01-06-2005, 07:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
grams72 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moorhead MN Posts: 443	The only reason the bypass module would need a key is if you have a transponder (sp) chip in your ignition key. __________________ 1990 4Runner SR5 3.Slow, Automatic, Air Intake Mod, Magnaflow muff 31's, Pro Comp ES9000 Autocommand Remote Start Removed = Running boards, lower rear quarter, rear bumper

01-06-2005, 08:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
FlzRider Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 86	1999 and on have the transponder in the key. __________________ 1999 Imperial Jade Mica Toyota 4runner Limited 4wd -Jensen Flip Down Monitor -Blaupunkt DVD/VCD/CD/Mp3 -Bed-Liner coated skidplates

01-08-2005, 09:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
tarheelrunner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 291	You don't have to get a Toyota transponder....I picked up a universal one for $30 at the local audio shop and it works fine (it did require a key). __________________ 2000 4runner Limited 4wd, TJM-15 w/IPF driving lights and a Warn m8000, Stubbs Sliders, Surco safari rack, 883s up front, 890s in the rear, OME firm shocks, 2" RB body lift, Custom Hitch, 285/75 Baja MTZs on 16x8 American Racing Teflon Chambers, K&N FIPK, remote start, Pioneer 8600, 2 JL Audio 12s

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