Recall

toyotaguy97 · 05-19-2003, 09:05 AM

does anyone know what they replace on the recal of 4runners i know it is in the rear suspecsion but what parts

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HBoss · 05-19-2003, 09:18 AM

Coil springs & bump stops, I believe.

rimpainter.com · 05-19-2003, 09:34 AM

For me it was just my coil springs. Hopefully they didnt short me on the bumpstops!

toyotaguy97 · 05-19-2003, 09:35 AM

thanks a lot i think the recall only applies to the 2wd models but they said they would replace mine to so hey i get a new set of springs

rimpainter.com · 05-19-2003, 09:37 AM

No, it applies to 4WD too. i.e. me.

toyotaguy97 · 05-19-2003, 09:40 AM

oh:pat: i thought it was just 2wd i still have not had it fixed

rimpainter.com · 05-19-2003, 09:44 AM

Have them save your old springs when they take them out. You can sell them on ebay. For some reason people want them.

Bob_98SR5 · 05-19-2003, 09:55 AM

Toyotaguy,

I just replied to your cupholder post.

I hate to pull the "use the search" card on you, but as a noob, it would be a good thing for you to use it as these questions have been covered before ad naseum! Also in regards to any TSBs or recalls, check http://www.alldata.com or call Toyota Motor Sales USA directly.

In anycase, stick around. There are some great folks here with really helpful advice.

Thanks,
Bob

denverbikeguy · 05-19-2003, 12:32 PM

The problem only affects the 2wd's supposedly, but they are doing 4wd's also since they figured people would get confused.

Found out mine were done previously in New Mexico or something...

I bought it used, but I didn't know the thing had been down there!

Does anyone know the date when the recall actually came into effect? I'm just curious...

rimpainter.com · 05-19-2003, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by denverbikeguy
The problem only affects the 2wd's supposedly, but they are doing 4wd's also since they figured people would get confused.

Forgive me, but I am having a hard time understanding the last part of your statement. Please explain. Who would be confused?

WT · 05-19-2003, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by <96 Runner>
For me it was just my coil springs. Hopefully they didnt short me on the bumpstops!

Should of replaced Springs, added cone insert and new bump stops. Let me know if you get the springs back I may be interested in getting your old ones, I think that the orginals are a tad higher than the replacement ones

rimpainter.com · 05-19-2003, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WT
Should of replaced Springs, added cone insert and new bump stops. Let me know if you get the springs back I may be interested in getting your old ones, I think that the orginals are a tad higher than the replacement ones

Thanks WT. I will look under there today and check it out.

denverbikeguy · 05-19-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by <96 Runner>
Forgive me, but I am having a hard time understanding the last part of your statement. Please explain. Who would be confused?

I don't get it either, I'm just stating what I read. Toyota thought that owners of the affected model years would not properly distinguish between 2wd and 4wd, so even though it should only affect the 2wd vehicles (different components I guess) they are doing both.

My guess is one of two things caused this, since if you don't know whether you have 4wd or not you're just dumb: 1, they figured that they have some dumb customers, and by covering all vehicles it would be cheaper than covering a lawsuit, as this is a safety-affecting problem (suspension issues can cause loss of control). Or 2, they realized it did in fact affect the 4wd's in some small amount, not enough to trace but enough to warrant them covering themselves against litigation, so they included them in the recall.

Either way there must be a good reason for doing both when only the 2wd is "officially" problematic, since they would not waste money like that.

rimpainter.com · 05-19-2003, 01:53 PM

wow, that's strange.

Thanks for clarifying. I cant believe Toyota would actually publish something like that.

ssbogger · 05-20-2003, 02:18 PM

Did i miss this recall? I havent heard anything about it. I got my 4runner in feb. so is there a chance it has already been serviced? Someone please let me know. Thanks!

Kings4Runner · 05-20-2003, 02:28 PM

Guys I recommend not getting this recall done. I did it about a year ago. I got new coils and bumpstops installed. The springs suck. My third gen now looks like a second gen a year later because of how bad the springs sag. The bumpstops are also the ones in the center of the coil. I have 2 inches clearance max between the axle and the bumpstop. This is with the truck totally empty and no load in the back. It is also constantly bottoming out on just little bumps.

Now I'm going to replace them with downeys. Just my experience. I definately wish I still had my old coils so i could swap them out untill I get the new downeys.

denverbikeguy · 05-20-2003, 02:34 PM

Hrm. So it's not just me...

See I didn't think it had been done yet (until last week when I found out it had, which had me scratching my head a bit) since I can easily bottom the thing out going over small speed bumps. It's actually kind of embarassing - I always get looks when going to the local starbucks since my runner bottoms as I go to park, and people think I can't drive. Unless I *crawl* over the thing it always happens. The back end also violently gets tossed around if I hit a bump while cornering (even at slow speeds), and I can feel it break traction and swing around until the tires catch again.

I'm not sure what to do about it, I think this is bull. I think Toyota has put substandard components on, and I do feel less safe because of it - losing control while turning is not a nice feeling, especially when driving within the speed limit.

So .. what can we do about it? My guess is calling my dealership will result in lots of laughs from the service tech. This needs to go higher.

05-20-2003, 02:50 PM

I guess I must be in the minority. I had the recall done on my 98 Limited, and it improved the ride and load carrying capacity. With a full load of tools, gas, and me, it bottomed out before the change, and didn't thereafter. I also felt less lean on turns with the new springs.

My new 2003 Limited with xreas is another quantum leap ahead., except for the reduced ground clearance.

denverbikeguy · 05-20-2003, 03:03 PM

Yeah I think in most cases it might have improved the ride and all (which I'd expect). The conditions I am experiencing almost sound like the things that would happen if they never were done at all according to the SSB (which said it didn't affect 4wd's anyway) - like if I were running 85,000-mile components or ones drastically undersized for the vehicle.

Is there a way to verify the parts that were put on are in fact the right ones and new? I assume the part numbers are different on the reworked components, ya? I'd like to do some home-based verification before involving Toyota, since their first response will be "we did it already, go away". Even if they DID do it right, with the right parts, maybe they got a bad batch or something?

This just isn't right, and that I'm not the only one experiencing it tells me there is a bigger story here.

toyotaguy97 · 05-20-2003, 06:33 PM

great i have got to make a desision get new springs or not do you think they would let me have my old ones so if the new ones suck i can put the old ones back on

WT · 05-20-2003, 07:06 PM

Its possible they put the wrong springs on maybe 2wd versions if your starting to see the sag hmmm new questions.
Just be sure if you get it done you make sure they know you have a 4wd with 16" wheels also makes a difference I think since when I had my done they asked all the above questions before ordering my parts to do the work. Not sure if you can get any part numbers off the springs themselves.

Kings4Runner · 05-20-2003, 10:13 PM

Here are my thoughts on the matter. It was called a comfort recall when I took my truck in. They told me that it was most important to do on a 2 wheel drive but the dealer recommended that I get it done on my 4x4. Comfort meaning the ride was supposed to be less harsh on earlier year runners which is what the recall included.

The reality was that it was for safety reasons to try to keep the runners from flipping over in high speed cornering. Thus they put new springs in that were softer than the originals. I remember my truck being instantly more mushy feeling in the rear when I got this done. Then they put those huge cone stops on(which was standard on newer 3rd gens) to replace the older model bump stops. These hung much lower and are there to keep your runner from extreme swaying from side to side. Plus the lower ride height based on the new springs lowers the center of gravity. Personally I wish I never had it done.

This is just my opinions and ideas. Anyone with concrete evidence please chime in and correct me if i'm wrong. It doesn't matter to me because I'm going to change them out soon.

INsr5runner · 05-20-2003, 10:31 PM

ok ok I might get shot here, but I must have missed this recall too, and I checked that alldata site too. Just couldn't figure it out. I am sleepy though....

will this recall affect my '00 sr5? if so, I am gonna try to talk them into putting in my OME coils instead!

descendents · 05-21-2003, 12:42 AM

hey i just checked that alldata.com for recalls and tsbs on my 85 4runner and theirs quite a few.... is their anything i can do with them?

kelly

Nolan · 05-21-2003, 12:54 AM

I have a 1996 2wd 4runner that was called in for the recall. I never got the recall done because I lifed my truck which solved the problem. here is a perfect picture that illustrates the problem. As you can see from the picture, my truck had roughly 2-3" of upward travel. This made the ride very uncomfortable when the suspension fully compressed because you felt every bump. The bad ride was maginifed when i had passengers or any kind of a load in the cargo area because now i only had 1" of travel.

05-19-2003, 09:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
HBoss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,878	Coil springs & bump stops, I believe. __________________ 1997 4Runner Ltd. Bilstein shocks, rear E-locker & riding on 32s. Mods Pics Tech articles, write-ups & more are available on my website. http://www.hboss.net/4runner

05-19-2003, 09:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	For me it was just my coil springs. Hopefully they didnt short me on the bumpstops! __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

05-19-2003, 09:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
toyotaguy97 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 36	thanks a lot i think the recall only applies to the 2wd models but they said they would replace mine to so hey i get a new set of springs __________________ 97 4Runner w/ factory electric locking diff green strobes super blue bulbs in head lights and in hella fog lights and more to come, rear diff mod, and coming soon,, two Kicker L7 15s

05-19-2003, 09:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	No, it applies to 4WD too. i.e. me. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

05-19-2003, 09:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
toyotaguy97 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 36	oh:pat: i thought it was just 2wd i still have not had it fixed __________________ 97 4Runner w/ factory electric locking diff green strobes super blue bulbs in head lights and in hella fog lights and more to come, rear diff mod, and coming soon,, two Kicker L7 15s

05-19-2003, 09:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	Have them save your old springs when they take them out. You can sell them on ebay. For some reason people want them. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

05-19-2003, 09:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	Toyotaguy, I just replied to your cupholder post. I hate to pull the "use the search" card on you, but as a noob, it would be a good thing for you to use it as these questions have been covered before ad naseum! Also in regards to any TSBs or recalls, check http://www.alldata.com or call Toyota Motor Sales USA directly. In anycase, stick around. There are some great folks here with really helpful advice. Thanks, Bob

05-19-2003, 12:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
denverbikeguy Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: CO Posts: 312	The problem only affects the 2wd's supposedly, but they are doing 4wd's also since they figured people would get confused. Found out mine were done previously in New Mexico or something... I bought it used, but I didn't know the thing had been down there! Does anyone know the date when the recall actually came into effect? I'm just curious... __________________ '03 Tundra - Maroon SR5 Access Cab, V8, LSD, most of the good stuff. Soon to get a minor lift, sat radio, and front tint. Check out http://www.cosportbikeclub.org for great info on riding in Colorado and other bike goodies. http://www.teamskinny.net - The best motorcycle racing site in the world! http://www.racing2savelives.org - Racing 2 Save Lives - Motorcyclists making a difference!

05-19-2003, 01:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	wow, that's strange. Thanks for clarifying. I cant believe Toyota would actually publish something like that. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

05-20-2003, 02:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
ssbogger Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: James Island/ChuckTown, SC Posts: 699	Did i miss this recall? I havent heard anything about it. I got my 4runner in feb. so is there a chance it has already been serviced? Someone please let me know. Thanks! __________________ 2004 GMC Sierra Denali Quadrasteer Small system '99 4runner SOLD Lifted, SC'd, etc... 2002 Tacoma SOLD Lifted, System, etc...

05-20-2003, 02:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
Kings4Runner Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Posts: 34	Guys I recommend not getting this recall done. I did it about a year ago. I got new coils and bumpstops installed. The springs suck. My third gen now looks like a second gen a year later because of how bad the springs sag. The bumpstops are also the ones in the center of the coil. I have 2 inches clearance max between the axle and the bumpstop. This is with the truck totally empty and no load in the back. It is also constantly bottoming out on just little bumps. Now I'm going to replace them with downeys. Just my experience. I definately wish I still had my old coils so i could swap them out untill I get the new downeys. __________________ 1996 white 4Runner SR5 4x4 bilsteins 265/75/16 Revos (love em) K&N FIPK =P

05-20-2003, 02:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
denverbikeguy Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: CO Posts: 312	Hrm. So it's not just me... See I didn't think it had been done yet (until last week when I found out it had, which had me scratching my head a bit) since I can easily bottom the thing out going over small speed bumps. It's actually kind of embarassing - I always get looks when going to the local starbucks since my runner bottoms as I go to park, and people think I can't drive. Unless I crawl over the thing it always happens. The back end also violently gets tossed around if I hit a bump while cornering (even at slow speeds), and I can feel it break traction and swing around until the tires catch again. I'm not sure what to do about it, I think this is bull. I think Toyota has put substandard components on, and I do feel less safe because of it - losing control while turning is not a nice feeling, especially when driving within the speed limit. So .. what can we do about it? My guess is calling my dealership will result in lots of laughs from the service tech. This needs to go higher. __________________ '03 Tundra - Maroon SR5 Access Cab, V8, LSD, most of the good stuff. Soon to get a minor lift, sat radio, and front tint. Check out http://www.cosportbikeclub.org for great info on riding in Colorado and other bike goodies. http://www.teamskinny.net - The best motorcycle racing site in the world! http://www.racing2savelives.org - Racing 2 Save Lives - Motorcyclists making a difference!

05-20-2003, 02:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
Billf6531 Guest Posts: n/a	I guess I must be in the minority. I had the recall done on my 98 Limited, and it improved the ride and load carrying capacity. With a full load of tools, gas, and me, it bottomed out before the change, and didn't thereafter. I also felt less lean on turns with the new springs. My new 2003 Limited with xreas is another quantum leap ahead., except for the reduced ground clearance.

05-20-2003, 03:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
denverbikeguy Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: CO Posts: 312	Yeah I think in most cases it might have improved the ride and all (which I'd expect). The conditions I am experiencing almost sound like the things that would happen if they never were done at all according to the SSB (which said it didn't affect 4wd's anyway) - like if I were running 85,000-mile components or ones drastically undersized for the vehicle. Is there a way to verify the parts that were put on are in fact the right ones and new? I assume the part numbers are different on the reworked components, ya? I'd like to do some home-based verification before involving Toyota, since their first response will be "we did it already, go away". Even if they DID do it right, with the right parts, maybe they got a bad batch or something? This just isn't right, and that I'm not the only one experiencing it tells me there is a bigger story here. __________________ '03 Tundra - Maroon SR5 Access Cab, V8, LSD, most of the good stuff. Soon to get a minor lift, sat radio, and front tint. Check out http://www.cosportbikeclub.org for great info on riding in Colorado and other bike goodies. http://www.teamskinny.net - The best motorcycle racing site in the world! http://www.racing2savelives.org - Racing 2 Save Lives - Motorcyclists making a difference! Last edited by denverbikeguy; 05-20-2003 at 03:06 PM.

05-20-2003, 06:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
toyotaguy97 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 36	great i have got to make a desision get new springs or not do you think they would let me have my old ones so if the new ones suck i can put the old ones back on __________________ 97 4Runner w/ factory electric locking diff green strobes super blue bulbs in head lights and in hella fog lights and more to come, rear diff mod, and coming soon,, two Kicker L7 15s

05-20-2003, 07:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
WT Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Virgina Posts: 721	Its possible they put the wrong springs on maybe 2wd versions if your starting to see the sag hmmm new questions. Just be sure if you get it done you make sure they know you have a 4wd with 16" wheels also makes a difference I think since when I had my done they asked all the above questions before ordering my parts to do the work. Not sure if you can get any part numbers off the springs themselves.

05-20-2003, 10:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
Kings4Runner Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Posts: 34	Here are my thoughts on the matter. It was called a comfort recall when I took my truck in. They told me that it was most important to do on a 2 wheel drive but the dealer recommended that I get it done on my 4x4. Comfort meaning the ride was supposed to be less harsh on earlier year runners which is what the recall included. The reality was that it was for safety reasons to try to keep the runners from flipping over in high speed cornering. Thus they put new springs in that were softer than the originals. I remember my truck being instantly more mushy feeling in the rear when I got this done. Then they put those huge cone stops on(which was standard on newer 3rd gens) to replace the older model bump stops. These hung much lower and are there to keep your runner from extreme swaying from side to side. Plus the lower ride height based on the new springs lowers the center of gravity. Personally I wish I never had it done. This is just my opinions and ideas. Anyone with concrete evidence please chime in and correct me if i'm wrong. It doesn't matter to me because I'm going to change them out soon. __________________ 1996 white 4Runner SR5 4x4 bilsteins 265/75/16 Revos (love em) K&N FIPK =P

05-20-2003, 10:31 PM	#23 (permalink)
INsr5runner Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,151	ok ok I might get shot here, but I must have missed this recall too, and I checked that alldata site too. Just couldn't figure it out. I am sleepy though.... will this recall affect my '00 sr5? if so, I am gonna try to talk them into putting in my OME coils instead! __________________ CLIMB MORE ROCKS! SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS! Carmel Cycling

05-21-2003, 12:42 AM	#24 (permalink)
descendents Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: scottsdale az Posts: 178	hey i just checked that alldata.com for recalls and tsbs on my 85 4runner and theirs quite a few.... is their anything i can do with them? kelly

05-21-2003, 12:54 AM	#25 (permalink)
Nolan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 335	I have a 1996 2wd 4runner that was called in for the recall. I never got the recall done because I lifed my truck which solved the problem. here is a perfect picture that illustrates the problem. As you can see from the picture, my truck had roughly 2-3" of upward travel. This made the ride very uncomfortable when the suspension fully compressed because you felt every bump. The bad ride was maginifed when i had passengers or any kind of a load in the cargo area because now i only had 1" of travel. __________________ * 4runner * 2WD 2.7L 5spd * 4.88 Precision Gears * Rear ARB Locker * ARB Compressor * 2.5" front/2" rear CF spacers * 4wd springs * Bilstein shocks * 285/75/16 BFG AT's * 16x8 Ivan Stewart TRD wheels Gibson exhaust Yakima roof rack * Rocky Mounts Bike Rack * Yakima Lift Ticket 6 Snowboard Rack * Amsoil Air filter * deckplate mod * Optima 34R Red Top * 15% front Tint * PreRunner Front mud flaps * PIAA 1400 fog lights * '02 4Runner Sport Skidplate & Tube Steps * Husky Floor Liners *

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