OEM Swing Out Spare Tire Carrier?

Midget96 · 04-20-2007, 12:15 PM

I was searching around for some info on a KZN185 1KZTE swap, and came across this:

http://www.todoroki-trading.com/stoc.../stock006.html

I've never seen a rear tire carrier that was Pathfinder-style for the 3rd gen. Anyone have any details about this thing? I think it's a great compromise to an expensive rear bumper that's built around a swing out carrier...

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SOAZtim · 04-20-2007, 12:58 PM

Ohh. Heres a bump for this. I want to find out too. When I was in Japan I saw a bunch of 4runners with these, but I never thought about finding a part #

914runner · 04-20-2007, 01:10 PM

I would assume it installs like the 2nd gen. one, which has a brace on the inside of the body that you have to weld in. You also have to cut out some of the body on the inside to put the tire carrier brace in, and then re-weld the inside body part back in. A lot of work.

Chris Geiger did it on his old 2nd gen. but the article isnt up anymore.
http://toyota.off-road.com/toyota/ar....jsp?id=186335

Midget96 · 04-20-2007, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 914runner

I would assume it installs like the 2nd gen. one, which has a brace on the inside of the body that you have to weld in. You also have to cut out some of the body on the inside to put the tire carrier brace in, and then re-weld the inside body part back in. A lot of work.

Chris Geiger did it on his old 2nd gen. but the article isnt up anymore.
http://toyota.off-road.com/toyota/ar....jsp?id=186335

That doesn't sound too bad, and if it was less than $1500 all said and done, then I'd do it. From the issues I've seen with bumper mounted carriers (bearing failures), I think this is a solid choice. Hell, the bracing might even already be there...

I'm sure some JDM-exploiting-importer could get a hold of these things without much fuss, too.

914runner · 04-20-2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midget96

That doesn't sound too bad, and if it was less than $1500 all said and done, then I'd do it. From the issues I've seen with bumper mounted carriers (bearing failures), I think this is a solid choice. Hell, the bracing might even already be there...

I'm sure some JDM-exploiting-importer could get a hold of these things without much fuss, too.

From what I have read, you wouldnt want to mount anything larger than a 33" on these carriers, they just arent super strong. A 33" might be pushing it too.

fireteacher · 04-20-2007, 09:09 PM

1500 will get you a fabbed rear bumper and carrier! i know you have read issues on bearing failures but did they have the best types of bearings in them? what caused them to fail? to me it looks like a blazers swing carrier. go custom!

Midget96 · 04-20-2007, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 914runner

From what I have read, you wouldnt want to mount anything larger than a 33" on these carriers, they just arent super strong. A 33" might be pushing it too.

The stock 265/70/16 Michelins run 41 lbs./each. I run 255/85/16 BFG MTs, and those are 53 lbs. Even a 285 is only 15 lbs. heavier than stock. I would think that this carrier would have no trouble handling the ~10 lbs. more...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireteacher

1500 will get you a fabbed rear bumper and carrier! i know you have read issues on bearing failures but did they have the best types of bearings in them? what caused them to fail? to me it looks like a blazers swing carrier. go custom!

I should have been more clear. I'm not trying to spend anywhere near $1500 to get a tire carrier, and I know that's the ball park of a custom bumper/carrier. If I could utilize the OEM carrier for 1/3 of the price of a custom piece, I think it would be worth it. Again, I have no idea on the price or labor to install one, I'm just theorizing...

All the one's I've seen with bearing issues used nice needle roller bearings. But in my eyes, the custom bumper focuses the weight of an 80 lb. wheel/tire, a heavy steel carrier assembly and possibly a 40 lb. Hi-Lift all on one pivot point. The OEM carrier clearly distributes the weight better and has the potential to be cheaper.

Starbuck3733T · 04-21-2007, 07:22 PM

subscribed!

would the toyota japenese FSM have the part # for the carrier?

brazos609 · 04-23-2007, 02:33 PM

According to the currency converter I used, that Hilux is less than $8,00. I wonder what importing would run?

olharleyman · 04-23-2007, 02:45 PM

I have one on my second gen and you will also need a different tailgate or fab your existing one for back up lights on the outside of licence plate mounting point as it is. Where your plate is now you would have to mount the catch for the swing out and move your plate lights to the right over the new plate hanger on the swing out. I carry a 35 B.F.Goodrich on a micky thompson with not weight issues at all on it so i dont think you will have much issue with the weight of your spare. Just a little fyi

jetboy · 04-23-2007, 03:28 PM

Kinda cool. I'm guessing your spare doesn't fit underneath? IMO the good quality spare tire carriers are going to be much stronger. Tied to the frame as opposed to the body. It really depends on the quality of the fab work. I've seen diesel powered welders (HEAVY) mounted on swing out bumpers that stay put. These are on 1ton's not a 4runner. The heavy bushing type carriers are much better than the ones made from trailer spindles. They seem to handle 38's and larger on landcruisers without problem.

I guess i'd say that's a unique carrier. It'd be different, but I don't think it would be any better. If your spare is to big to fit underneath, it should probably be on something tied to the frame. Plus it would be one more thing to move before getting into the back. It would free up some room for an air tank or aux fuel tank under there though, but I don't see many third gens with Yorks or comparable compressors that would put that big of a tank to use.

That tire rack would probably be a cool way to put a highlift and a gas can or two on with a factory look. I wish I had that surf!, I'd be using diesel cans...

SOAZtim · 04-23-2007, 05:26 PM

I was looking at it as a piece I could put on before epic trips. Keep my spare underneath and put one on the back as a back up

techno · 04-24-2007, 08:27 AM

Here's some pics with Part Numbers for the factory tire carrier. These were posted somewhere else on this forum but I cant remember where.
There is alot of work to do to add these....

KZN185W · 04-24-2007, 09:14 PM

I got a BFG MT LT285/75R16 Load Range D on my stock spare tire carrier and it doesn't show any sign of distress, nor has the body. The bushings on the upper arm needs to be replaced to as it rattles when I go fast over uneven surfaces on the road.

first4runner · 04-26-2007, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 914runner

From what I have read, you wouldnt want to mount anything larger than a 33" on these carriers, they just arent super strong. A 33" might be pushing it too.

I have a 33x12.50 on a stock rim and it fits okay, and although it is way heavier it still hasnt given me any problems.

04-20-2007, 12:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
SOAZtim Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Snobsdale, SOuthern AriZona. Posts: 807	Ohh. Heres a bump for this. I want to find out too. When I was in Japan I saw a bunch of 4runners with these, but I never thought about finding a part # __________________ 2001 4runner. 255/85/16 BFG KM, A-trac/VSC disable switch. DR coilovers. OME rear springs with bilsteins, 4.88 gears with ARB lockers. Waeco CF-50 fridge. Home made sleeping platform with drawers. Home made rear bumper. Home made sliders. Blue sea fuse box. ICV8000 Icom 2meter. Uniden CB in ashtray. Donaldson Top Spin pre-filter with home made snorkel. TJM front bumper with m8000 and syn line. Baja Rack Mega Mule roof rack. Lowrance. 7" hid's. Lots of scratches. www.soaztim.com

04-20-2007, 01:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
914runner Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tigard, Oregon Posts: 2,083	I would assume it installs like the 2nd gen. one, which has a brace on the inside of the body that you have to weld in. You also have to cut out some of the body on the inside to put the tire carrier brace in, and then re-weld the inside body part back in. A lot of work. Chris Geiger did it on his old 2nd gen. but the article isnt up anymore. http://toyota.off-road.com/toyota/ar....jsp?id=186335 __________________ 1997 Toyota 4Runner, 3.4L (5VZ-FE), 5-Speed (R150F), 4WD, 4.10's, 33's 1998 Toyota 4Runner, 3.4L (5VZ-FE), 5-Speed (R150F), 4WD, 4.10's, 33's 1991 Toyota 4Runner 4 Door, 3.4l (5VZ-FE), 5-Speed (R150F), 4WD, 32's, 4.10's Last edited by 914runner; 04-20-2007 at 01:14 PM.

04-20-2007, 09:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
fireteacher Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 1,687	1500 will get you a fabbed rear bumper and carrier! i know you have read issues on bearing failures but did they have the best types of bearings in them? what caused them to fail? to me it looks like a blazers swing carrier. go custom! __________________ Shaun 99 limited 4runner 3.4L MODS: TJM-17/Sonoran shackle hangers/driving lights - DIFF Breather - Sliders - Cobra 19 ULTRA III cb and 3ft. Wilson ant - 265/75/16 Definity Dakota A/T - "SATOSHI MOD" - All Weather Mats - Locker Mod - Fog Light Mod - Vortex Classic Muffler My profile http://yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=96117

04-21-2007, 07:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Starbuck3733T Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: State College, PA Posts: 165	subscribed! would the toyota japenese FSM have the part # for the carrier? __________________ Trust me, I'm an engineer. 2002 4Runner 5VZ-FE 61K Limited 4WD Now: Kenwood CD Head + Custom iPod interface, Pheonix Gold M50 amp + JL 12W0 sub, Mobile 1 synthetic, napa gold oversized filter (FIL1516), ISR mod, running boards = !buhleted! Sooner: Deckplate, bigger mudders: 32? 33? Later: 1.5" body lift, 2.5" suspension lift of some variety. (undecided) SigSauer P229 .40 S&W Equipped! RIP 1994 4Runner SR5 5spd MT, 31x10.50 Dunlop Mudders, 186K 3VZE blown engine.

04-23-2007, 02:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
brazos609 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: TX Posts: 42	Hilux According to the currency converter I used, that Hilux is less than $8,00. I wonder what importing would run?

04-23-2007, 02:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
olharleyman Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: maryland Posts: 3,291	I have one on my second gen and you will also need a different tailgate or fab your existing one for back up lights on the outside of licence plate mounting point as it is. Where your plate is now you would have to mount the catch for the swing out and move your plate lights to the right over the new plate hanger on the swing out. I carry a 35 B.F.Goodrich on a micky thompson with not weight issues at all on it so i dont think you will have much issue with the weight of your spare. Just a little fyi __________________ 1990 4 runner 5 Speed Pro Comp Stage II 4" Lift 6" coils rear Aussie Locker front 5.29's Front And Rear 35 x 12.5 x 15 MT's Micky Thompson Classic II Wheels Super Charged 3.4 on the way 1993 SAS 4runner 22re 5 speed 4" front 5"rear 5.29's 35 x 12.5 BFG KM'S Dick cepek DC 1's 88 stock 4runner 3.0 auto for now 1955 Harley Davidson Springer Stock 1955 Hardtail Frame 4 Speed Kick Start Only 1998 Harley Custom Dresser 107 rwhp 139 ft.lbs.trq. Last edited by olharleyman; 04-23-2007 at 02:47 PM.

04-23-2007, 03:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
jetboy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19	Kinda cool. I'm guessing your spare doesn't fit underneath? IMO the good quality spare tire carriers are going to be much stronger. Tied to the frame as opposed to the body. It really depends on the quality of the fab work. I've seen diesel powered welders (HEAVY) mounted on swing out bumpers that stay put. These are on 1ton's not a 4runner. The heavy bushing type carriers are much better than the ones made from trailer spindles. They seem to handle 38's and larger on landcruisers without problem. I guess i'd say that's a unique carrier. It'd be different, but I don't think it would be any better. If your spare is to big to fit underneath, it should probably be on something tied to the frame. Plus it would be one more thing to move before getting into the back. It would free up some room for an air tank or aux fuel tank under there though, but I don't see many third gens with Yorks or comparable compressors that would put that big of a tank to use. That tire rack would probably be a cool way to put a highlift and a gas can or two on with a factory look. I wish I had that surf!, I'd be using diesel cans... __________________ 96 Limited wheeler: 75 fj40 38's... ect.

04-23-2007, 05:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
SOAZtim Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Snobsdale, SOuthern AriZona. Posts: 807	I was looking at it as a piece I could put on before epic trips. Keep my spare underneath and put one on the back as a back up __________________ 2001 4runner. 255/85/16 BFG KM, A-trac/VSC disable switch. DR coilovers. OME rear springs with bilsteins, 4.88 gears with ARB lockers. Waeco CF-50 fridge. Home made sleeping platform with drawers. Home made rear bumper. Home made sliders. Blue sea fuse box. ICV8000 Icom 2meter. Uniden CB in ashtray. Donaldson Top Spin pre-filter with home made snorkel. TJM front bumper with m8000 and syn line. Baja Rack Mega Mule roof rack. Lowrance. 7" hid's. Lots of scratches. www.soaztim.com

04-24-2007, 08:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
techno Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 82	Here's some pics with Part Numbers for the factory tire carrier. These were posted somewhere else on this forum but I cant remember where. There is alot of work to do to add these.... __________________ 00 4Runner SR5 4x4

04-24-2007, 09:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
KZN185W Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	I got a BFG MT LT285/75R16 Load Range D on my stock spare tire carrier and it doesn't show any sign of distress, nor has the body. The bushings on the upper arm needs to be replaced to as it rattles when I go fast over uneven surfaces on the road. __________________ 1996 Pearl White Hilux Surf KZN185W SSR-G l 3.0L TDI l Dual Battery l LT285/75R16 l Recaro Seats Drive Your Dreams

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