New owner of an 89 pickup

YotaGirl · 12-10-2003, 01:07 PM

As of last week I am the owner of a stock 89 Pickup 4x4 with a 4cyl. The main use of the truck will be off-road and driving into the local mountains to the ski areas.

For 125K it's all still in great shape, but it does seem to lack power seriously on the hills.

Right now it has the stock rims and tires that need to be replaced immediately. I want to put on the 31x10.5s, but I'm worried about losing even more power. Should I also be looking into regearing?

Is there anything I should know about the truck in general? Weak points, things to look out for?

YotaGirl

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**4x4Fink** · 12-10-2003, 01:16 PM

First off...

AND WELCOME!

Second of all, I would get used to the lack of power those engines have. I have the 3.0 and it has low power so I can imagine the low power that the 22R would have.

As for the tires...I have 31x10.50's and they came stock on my rig. It all depends on what your truck came with stock...I don't know about regearing...wait for the more knowledgeable members to reply.

Once again, Welcome to the best forum for the best machines in the world...TOYOTAS!!

Fink

motrhedx81 · 12-10-2003, 02:00 PM

I've got 31's on my truck, but they were on it when I got it from the other guy. You shouldn't have any problem putting them on there, I've still got plenty of power (for a 4banger). I'm getting ready to put a lot bigger tires on so I'm going to regear. I wouldn't worry about the gears with just 31's. There's not really anything special to know about the truck that I can think of. I've got pretty much the same truck but with a lot more stuff on it now. I love the truck, but the engine does seem to be a little bit underpowered but you shouldn't have any trouble out of it if you treat it right.

Congrats !!

motrhedx81 · 12-10-2003, 02:03 PM

one more thing. when you get the tires and wheels, make sure to get at least 15x8" wheel, this will give you alot more options if you ever want to go bigger with the tires.

**4x4Fink** · 12-10-2003, 02:50 PM

I agree, 15x8"wheels are definately the way to go if you do get new ones. As for tires, depending on what you want to do, I would either get the Revo A/T's or the BFG A/T's if you going to be doing more on-road driving and the BFG M/T's or the MT/R's if you are more into off-roading.

Hope all this helps...let us know if you need anything else!

Fink

kyle_22r · 12-10-2003, 04:17 PM

125k? that's barely even broken in for a toyota

mine has 307,000 miles on it, and still running great

tenfourtyeight · 12-10-2003, 05:09 PM

I just registered here, because I just got the same truck as yotagirl, only difference is it's a 92 with a 22RE, and already had 31x10.5s when I got it, less than 2 weeks ago. I don't even have it registered, and already I've made the reverse lights blue, added a light to the bottom of the back bumper for reverse visibility (because of the blue lights) and installed a 10 disc CD changer, alarm, and 2 12" 400w subs. All in less than a week, by myself. I'm gonna be on this froum a long time, I've already learned so much in less than a day.

The truck does seem to be lacking in the power department, but it's my first truck, and first 5-speed. I was driving an 86 Jag xj6 before this, and the day I picked up the truck, the throttle cable on the Jag snapped while it was sitting in the parking lot of the store I was at. Pretty lame. But anyways, that's my story.

Chris

**4x4Fink** · 12-10-2003, 05:13 PM

Welcome to the board tenfourty! Looks like YT is growing fast, this is great!

About the lack of power, unless you just cannot get it up to any kind of speed I would imagine that is normal for the 4banger that they put in there.

Sounds like both of you have got very nice rigs...

YotaGirl-125k??? My '95 has more than that!!! GOOD FIND!

Fink

tenfourtyeight · 12-10-2003, 05:26 PM

Yea, that is good. Mine has about 153k, runs smooth as butter. Can't wait to take it out to the desert.

I was wondering, if anybody has knowledge of the 22RE motors, is there anything you can do to get more power? Or just like general things like exhaust, intake, etc.?

duanedeidre · 12-10-2003, 05:27 PM

welcome to the forum yotagirl wish you luck with your yota
i would go with 4:88's with 32's igot my info from prefromance
products they have alot of cool for yota's

duane

Plays_with_Toys · 12-10-2003, 05:37 PM

Yotagirl, is your truck a manual or auto?

I have an 87 with the carb'd 22r, and a manual, with 31's, and it is not a problem. Granted I get smoked by soccermoms in minivans that aren't even trying to race, but it has plenty of available torque, especially in 4-low. I went from 30x9.50's to the 31x10.50's, and there was a power drop, but you get used to it.

As far as power options, there are ways to open up the airbox to allow more air in, like the deckplate mod, tho I don't know if it works on the 22re's, but I am sure something similar can be done. Also, upgrading the exhaust and headers helps (so I have read), and if all else fails, have a friend get out and push

HiLux_1990 · 12-10-2003, 05:51 PM

Just thought I'd give a bit of a boost to the good 'ole 4 cylinder

I've got a 22R here as well, came with with 29" tyres from the factory and now runs 32x11.5 rubber.
I reckon that wide wheels are the way to go as well

Some people might call this particular 4 banger a little underpowered, but I just have a chuckle to myself as those soccer Mums zoom past me as I tractor along.

Oh, I've got extractors as well and I reckon you could safely call them a "seat of the pants" improvement over that small, stock exhaust manifold.

kyle_22r · 12-10-2003, 06:19 PM

the best ways to improve a 22r(e)'s power is to cam it up, overbore it a bit or put a header on it. i'm no expert on fuel injection, but i believe there are bigger(supra?) injectors you can swap in

as for us carbed guys, a weber is a huge improvement over stock

tenfourtyeight · 12-10-2003, 06:42 PM

Can you give me any information and/ or links to information about the things you listed, Kyle?

My99 · 12-10-2003, 06:52 PM

You mentioned you're up in the mountains? How high? If you're out 6,000 ft+ then you're going to be SOL any way you cut it. If you're not planning on doing a whole lot of serious offroading, and just need to ford the snow, then a set of chains and stock sized tires whould get you through. I used to have a 22RE with a 1/4 million on it, and 31's. The difference from 235s was substantial, but not unreasonable (i'm about 1,000 above sea level).

KevyWevy · 12-10-2003, 06:53 PM

first of all, i'd like to say welcome to all you new people who have posted in this thread.

second, duanedeidre, one of the biggest rules on this site, since it is a family site, is no swearing. im sure one of the moderators will be by soon to edit your post. not trying to nag, just letting you know.

third, yotagirl what size tires do have on there right now? if you just going up from 30" tires i wouldn't regear, but if it is running anything smaller and you are concerned about a lack of power i would regear, a little pricey, but if your going up to the mountains that often like me it will probably make it worth your while. i drive up to go skiing at least every weekend durring the winter in my 3.slow stupid soccer moms in their saburbans are always passing me.

yup yup yup. think thats all i have to say.

kyle_22r · 12-10-2003, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tenfourtyeight
Can you give me any information and/ or links to information about the things you listed, Kyle?

here's a few links that can help you, good places to get parts:

http://www.lcengineering.com <--- these guys have nearly anything you could want for a toyota, things can get pricey though

http://www.doaracingengines.com <---- another good toyota performance place

i think the injector swaps have been covered on here, you'd be better off searching the forum than asking me

i've never even owned a fuel injected vehicle. camshafts will typically run 100-150$, and can help quite a bit, especially some of the RV cams. a header will often reduce a bit of low end torque, but will give you more high end horsepower. i hear good things about lc engineering's header, though several companies make them

tenfourtyeight · 12-10-2003, 08:26 PM

Hey, thanks for the links.

HiLux_1990 · 12-11-2003, 07:06 AM

Quote:

as for us carbed guys, a weber is a huge improvement over stock

I haven't really looked into this myself, but isn't a Weber a trade-off in offroad performance?
It seems half the Weber owners think they cause you to stall in off camber situations, and the other half can't get enough of tearing up the dirt

:beach:

kyle_22r · 12-11-2003, 01:18 PM

i've never had a problem with my weber. i think it could be something to do with how they're jetted. i think the performance on the road is worth any problems it could cause me offroad

a friend of mine is going to be making an angled carb spacer for his jeep(351w) that angles the carb forward, which would supposedly improve its performance on steep hills. as for downhill, he couldn't care less(you can coast down, after all). i'll have to see how that goes

amusement · 12-11-2003, 02:01 PM

I have six vehicles with Weber carbs in them with no issue with them. Jetting requires a little more thought because it’s all about 14 to 17:1 balance of air and fuel.

Weber 34/36 is a performer with an untarnished quality record.

Remember to use an electric choke too.

kyle_22r · 12-11-2003, 02:23 PM

yup, when i build the new motor, i'm going to get an electric choke for my weber(not sure if i can?) or just sell it and get a 38 with an electric choke. the manual choke is a pain in the ass on cold days

jx94148 · 12-11-2003, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by YotaGirl
As of last week I am the owner of a stock 89 Pickup 4x4 with a 4cyl. The main use of the truck will be off-road and driving into the local mountains to the ski areas.

For 125K it's all still in great shape, but it does seem to lack power seriously on the hills.

Right now it has the stock rims and tires that need to be replaced immediately. I want to put on the 31x10.5s, but I'm worried about losing even more power. Should I also be looking into regearing?

Is there anything I should know about the truck in general? Weak points, things to look out for?

YotaGirl

Re-gearing would go a long way to turn 31's up the mountain passes. However it is not a cheap thing to have done since you have to do 2 differentials at roughly $550 each. Start with opening up the exhaust and intake. Its way cheaper and it really does help the performance.

You guys that are reccomending 15x8 wheels must like to spend money. The stock (cheap junkyard parts rule!) 15x6s will hold 10.5 wide tires or 15x7s will tolerate tires up to 11.5 wide just fine. If you are wanting 33x12.5s or wider you will need wider aftermarket wheels.

Enjoy your new truck!

amusement · 12-11-2003, 02:49 PM

If you add headers then the 38mm Weber carb will work great.
If not save a few bucks and use the 34/36.

Weber carb application guide

Try the Ford Taurus electric fan to give a few ponies back to the wheels and keep your 20R engine working cooler. There are some great Yotatech ideas in the tech write ups.

I think you will be happy with your truck. In a way, I am envious.
Because keeping it simple means less things break down. And the less things in the engine bay means the more room to put new stuff in.

YotaGirl · 12-11-2003, 02:49 PM

Wow, I didn't expect so much responses in such a short amount of time. Don't you boys have other things to do.

I currently have 235s on my truck. So it sounds like there will be some degradation in power if I were to go with 31" tires, but I think I can live with it. I'll have to be patient when I drive to Mammoth Mtn this winter for my annual ski trip and be happy that I have a 4x4 yota as one of my recreational vehicles. Like I said the main use is for off-roading and driving up to the local mountains to go skiing.

If I feel that I need more power, I know where to go to get information on different enhancements options that I can perform on my truck. Ooh, this could be fun (and expensive).

Thanks all!
YotaGirl

12-10-2003, 01:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
4x4Fink Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Centerton, AR Posts: 5,952	First off... AND WELCOME! Second of all, I would get used to the lack of power those engines have. I have the 3.0 and it has low power so I can imagine the low power that the 22R would have. As for the tires...I have 31x10.50's and they came stock on my rig. It all depends on what your truck came with stock...I don't know about regearing...wait for the more knowledgeable members to reply. Once again, Welcome to the best forum for the best machines in the world...TOYOTAS!! Fink __________________ 1985 4Runner 22RE 4WD "Ratchet" 2007 Tacoma Double Cab SB 4x4 V6 TRD Sport AR-TTORA "My work number is 9-1-1."

12-10-2003, 02:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
motrhedx81 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 162	I've got 31's on my truck, but they were on it when I got it from the other guy. You shouldn't have any problem putting them on there, I've still got plenty of power (for a 4banger). I'm getting ready to put a lot bigger tires on so I'm going to regear. I wouldn't worry about the gears with just 31's. There's not really anything special to know about the truck that I can think of. I've got pretty much the same truck but with a lot more stuff on it now. I love the truck, but the engine does seem to be a little bit underpowered but you shouldn't have any trouble out of it if you treat it right. Congrats !! __________________ 1989 pickup, 4x4, 22re 4" superlift (full rear springs, skidplate), dual steering stabilizer, downey 26mm torstion bars, 1.5" rear shackles, low profile bumpstops, 5.29's w/ V6 3rd, 35x12.5 BFG MT's on AR Outlaw II 15x10's, 2" wheel spacers, custom exhaust (pacesetter header, 2.25" single in/dual out flowmaster delta 40) custom built 3" intake with stock replacement K&N, LCE water pump, flex-a-lite fan, optima red top My truck site

12-10-2003, 02:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
motrhedx81 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 162	one more thing. when you get the tires and wheels, make sure to get at least 15x8" wheel, this will give you alot more options if you ever want to go bigger with the tires. __________________ 1989 pickup, 4x4, 22re 4" superlift (full rear springs, skidplate), dual steering stabilizer, downey 26mm torstion bars, 1.5" rear shackles, low profile bumpstops, 5.29's w/ V6 3rd, 35x12.5 BFG MT's on AR Outlaw II 15x10's, 2" wheel spacers, custom exhaust (pacesetter header, 2.25" single in/dual out flowmaster delta 40) custom built 3" intake with stock replacement K&N, LCE water pump, flex-a-lite fan, optima red top My truck site

12-10-2003, 02:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
4x4Fink Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Centerton, AR Posts: 5,952	I agree, 15x8"wheels are definately the way to go if you do get new ones. As for tires, depending on what you want to do, I would either get the Revo A/T's or the BFG A/T's if you going to be doing more on-road driving and the BFG M/T's or the MT/R's if you are more into off-roading. Hope all this helps...let us know if you need anything else! Fink __________________ 1985 4Runner 22RE 4WD "Ratchet" 2007 Tacoma Double Cab SB 4x4 V6 TRD Sport AR-TTORA "My work number is 9-1-1."

12-10-2003, 04:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	125k? that's barely even broken in for a toyota mine has 307,000 miles on it, and still running great __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

12-10-2003, 05:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
tenfourtyeight Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vista, Ca Posts: 606	I just registered here, because I just got the same truck as yotagirl, only difference is it's a 92 with a 22RE, and already had 31x10.5s when I got it, less than 2 weeks ago. I don't even have it registered, and already I've made the reverse lights blue, added a light to the bottom of the back bumper for reverse visibility (because of the blue lights) and installed a 10 disc CD changer, alarm, and 2 12" 400w subs. All in less than a week, by myself. I'm gonna be on this froum a long time, I've already learned so much in less than a day. The truck does seem to be lacking in the power department, but it's my first truck, and first 5-speed. I was driving an 86 Jag xj6 before this, and the day I picked up the truck, the throttle cable on the Jag snapped while it was sitting in the parking lot of the store I was at. Pretty lame. But anyways, that's my story. Chris __________________ White truck with black tires and stuff.

12-10-2003, 05:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
4x4Fink Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Centerton, AR Posts: 5,952	Welcome to the board tenfourty! Looks like YT is growing fast, this is great! About the lack of power, unless you just cannot get it up to any kind of speed I would imagine that is normal for the 4banger that they put in there. Sounds like both of you have got very nice rigs... YotaGirl-125k??? My '95 has more than that!!! GOOD FIND! Fink __________________ 1985 4Runner 22RE 4WD "Ratchet" 2007 Tacoma Double Cab SB 4x4 V6 TRD Sport AR-TTORA "My work number is 9-1-1."

12-10-2003, 05:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
tenfourtyeight Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vista, Ca Posts: 606	Yea, that is good. Mine has about 153k, runs smooth as butter. Can't wait to take it out to the desert. I was wondering, if anybody has knowledge of the 22RE motors, is there anything you can do to get more power? Or just like general things like exhaust, intake, etc.? __________________ White truck with black tires and stuff.

12-10-2003, 05:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
duanedeidre Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: union grove alabama Posts: 41	welcome to the forum yotagirl wish you luck with your yota i would go with 4:88's with 32's igot my info from prefromance products they have alot of cool for yota's duane __________________ '03 tacoma v6 5sp trd ext.cab sr5 lunar mist '93 camry 4cyl auto sle gold pkg leather gray ______________________________ I LOVE MY TOYS DON'T YOU ? Last edited by duanedeidre; 12-10-2003 at 05:28 PM.

12-10-2003, 05:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Plays_with_Toys Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 1,572	Yotagirl, is your truck a manual or auto? I have an 87 with the carb'd 22r, and a manual, with 31's, and it is not a problem. Granted I get smoked by soccermoms in minivans that aren't even trying to race, but it has plenty of available torque, especially in 4-low. I went from 30x9.50's to the 31x10.50's, and there was a power drop, but you get used to it. As far as power options, there are ways to open up the airbox to allow more air in, like the deckplate mod, tho I don't know if it works on the 22re's, but I am sure something similar can be done. Also, upgrading the exhaust and headers helps (so I have read), and if all else fails, have a friend get out and push __________________ 1987 Xtra Cab (4x4) - (SOLD) 22r, Rancho RS 5000, 15x8 American Racing AR-23s w/ 31x10.5 BFGoodrich A/T's, 2.25" exhaust w/ 23 1/8" glasspack, Explorer Pro Comp Prerunner bar/ Hella 500's

12-10-2003, 05:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
HiLux_1990 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 147	Just thought I'd give a bit of a boost to the good 'ole 4 cylinder I've got a 22R here as well, came with with 29" tyres from the factory and now runs 32x11.5 rubber. I reckon that wide wheels are the way to go as well Some people might call this particular 4 banger a little underpowered, but I just have a chuckle to myself as those soccer Mums zoom past me as I tractor along. Oh, I've got extractors as well and I reckon you could safely call them a "seat of the pants" improvement over that small, stock exhaust manifold. __________________ 1990 HiLux Xtra-Cab SR5 4WD 4 cylinder (22R), manual trans 160,000kms/99,420miles

12-10-2003, 06:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	the best ways to improve a 22r(e)'s power is to cam it up, overbore it a bit or put a header on it. i'm no expert on fuel injection, but i believe there are bigger(supra?) injectors you can swap in as for us carbed guys, a weber is a huge improvement over stock __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

12-10-2003, 06:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
tenfourtyeight Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vista, Ca Posts: 606	Can you give me any information and/ or links to information about the things you listed, Kyle? __________________ White truck with black tires and stuff.

12-10-2003, 06:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
My99 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fayetteville, AR Posts: 1,111	You mentioned you're up in the mountains? How high? If you're out 6,000 ft+ then you're going to be SOL any way you cut it. If you're not planning on doing a whole lot of serious offroading, and just need to ford the snow, then a set of chains and stock sized tires whould get you through. I used to have a 22RE with a 1/4 million on it, and 31's. The difference from 235s was substantial, but not unreasonable (i'm about 1,000 above sea level). __________________ Kyle H Current Yota: 86 4Runner - Daily Beater

12-10-2003, 06:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
KevyWevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,962	first of all, i'd like to say welcome to all you new people who have posted in this thread. second, duanedeidre, one of the biggest rules on this site, since it is a family site, is no swearing. im sure one of the moderators will be by soon to edit your post. not trying to nag, just letting you know. third, yotagirl what size tires do have on there right now? if you just going up from 30" tires i wouldn't regear, but if it is running anything smaller and you are concerned about a lack of power i would regear, a little pricey, but if your going up to the mountains that often like me it will probably make it worth your while. i drive up to go skiing at least every weekend durring the winter in my 3.slow stupid soccer moms in their saburbans are always passing me. yup yup yup. think thats all i have to say. __________________ 1994 White 4Runner 5 Speed SR5 4X4 ~121,000 Miles Land Cruiser Coils ~ 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers ~ Buschwaker Fender Flares ~ Cobra 19 DX II ~ Asin Manual Locking Hubs ~ Alpine MP3 HU ~ 2 10" MTX Subs ~ Pioneer 4" Speakers ~ Husky Floor Liners ~ Indiglow Gauges ~ Clear Corners ~ 15"x8" Rock Crawler Wheels ~ 33x12.5 BFG AT's ~ Diff Breathers ~ Yakima Crossbars ~ Sylvania Silver Stars http://community.webshots.com/user/kevywevy84

12-10-2003, 08:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
tenfourtyeight Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vista, Ca Posts: 606	Hey, thanks for the links. __________________ White truck with black tires and stuff.

12-11-2003, 01:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	i've never had a problem with my weber. i think it could be something to do with how they're jetted. i think the performance on the road is worth any problems it could cause me offroad a friend of mine is going to be making an angled carb spacer for his jeep(351w) that angles the carb forward, which would supposedly improve its performance on steep hills. as for downhill, he couldn't care less(you can coast down, after all). i'll have to see how that goes __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

12-11-2003, 02:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
amusement Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,509	I have six vehicles with Weber carbs in them with no issue with them. Jetting requires a little more thought because it’s all about 14 to 17:1 balance of air and fuel. Weber 34/36 is a performer with an untarnished quality record. Remember to use an electric choke too.

12-11-2003, 02:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	yup, when i build the new motor, i'm going to get an electric choke for my weber(not sure if i can?) or just sell it and get a 38 with an electric choke. the manual choke is a pain in the ass on cold days __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

12-11-2003, 02:49 PM	#24 (permalink)
amusement Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,509	If you add headers then the 38mm Weber carb will work great. If not save a few bucks and use the 34/36. Weber carb application guide Try the Ford Taurus electric fan to give a few ponies back to the wheels and keep your 20R engine working cooler. There are some great Yotatech ideas in the tech write ups. I think you will be happy with your truck. In a way, I am envious. Because keeping it simple means less things break down. And the less things in the engine bay means the more room to put new stuff in.

12-11-2003, 02:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
YotaGirl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 4	Wow, I didn't expect so much responses in such a short amount of time. Don't you boys have other things to do. I currently have 235s on my truck. So it sounds like there will be some degradation in power if I were to go with 31" tires, but I think I can live with it. I'll have to be patient when I drive to Mammoth Mtn this winter for my annual ski trip and be happy that I have a 4x4 yota as one of my recreational vehicles. Like I said the main use is for off-roading and driving up to the local mountains to go skiing. If I feel that I need more power, I know where to go to get information on different enhancements options that I can perform on my truck. Ooh, this could be fun (and expensive). Thanks all! YotaGirl

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