MSD DIGITAL IGNITION 3rd Gen Anyone want to see pics? write up?

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 06:38 AM

This weekend, I will finally get around to pre wiring my MSD Digital ignition for my 3.4 3rd Gen 4 Runner.

Having built and raced cars for years, and worked at a performance shop all through college I am very confident in MSD and have seen real world results.

I am sure I will pick up 1-2 MPG as well as a real seat of the pants performance gain. I would bet 10 -15 HP.....for each firing of the ignition there is a multiple spark discharge and it is in general a much more powerful spark.

I ended up with the box as a trade deal along with the tach adapters, so for basically no money it will be a nice upgrade, add some power, also will aid in starting in cold winter months.

On most occasions have picked up 1-2 tenths in the quarter mile when adding an MSD, this of course was coupled with the fact that I could run more timing without detonation,,because of the better spark MSD provides.

The 3.4 needs all the help it can get.

Post responses should people want a write up, hell I may be able to go to my friends shop and use his dyno for before and after pulls for all the doubters..

Tim

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gregbreakseverything · 07-21-2006, 06:45 AM

Some dyno runs would be awsome. Do you need 3 moduals? one to replace each coilpack? Or is this something totally different?

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregbreakseverything

Some dyno runs would be awsome. Do you need 3 moduals? one to replace each coilpack? Or is this something totally different?

you use the factory coils, it wires into that

I will see about the dyno, I will take pics, do a write up etc

Toyota Punk · 07-21-2006, 06:51 AM

I would be interested to see what kind of gains you can get out of this. I always used to see these systems in the Perf Prod catalog, but for some reason I didn't think it would make a difference or be applicable to a 3.4... maybe I thought I didn't have a problem so why mess with it. A write-up would be nice if the gains are worth it. How difficult is it to install?

gregbreakseverything · 07-21-2006, 06:52 AM

cool, you wouldnt happen to have a average joe price on these would you? Or are you going to make me search for one.

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 06:56 AM

I would say 400 bucks for the whole shooting match

I bet used stuff online, off ebay about 200 bucks

also if you bought one and it did have a problem

msd will do it over, entirely for like 50 bucks

gregbreakseverything · 07-21-2006, 06:59 AM

I was actually surprised that there wasn't much playing with the ignition and computers on this forum. There is alot of people that will do anything to get that lil' more out of thier 4runner.

MTL_4runner · 07-21-2006, 08:45 AM

Tim, I'd definately be interested in seeing some dyno before and after runs!
Pics would be great too and witeup would just be bonus.

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTL_4runner

Tim, I'd definately be interested in seeing some dyno before and after runs!
Pics would be great too and witeup would just be bonus.

I will check on the dyno, but not sure time, mine and his will allow such

pics and write up,,will def happen!
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p.s. MTL I ahve a used, 10K evap on the way,,,,,from another yotatecher,,,thing is I think one thing killed the other,,,,,the old cat was killed by the old evap, then when the new evap was put in,,the inefficiency of the old cat,,,,killed the new evap

this is my theory,,,

crackerjack · 07-21-2006, 09:41 AM

man I put one of those Crain multispark ignition upgrades on my 22re. Got a spark tester spark was weak before and bold after. Increased gap to .36 with iridime plugs don't know bout no dyno just look in mirror as I gas it down gravel driveway big

As far as install goes there are a lot of wires for different setups ie turbo's and ignition theftproof but basically it's just wired between igniter and cap.

tour4fun · 07-21-2006, 09:43 AM

I am always interested in 'real' dyno runs. Too many people are quick to write off products due to what other people say. Products improve and change over time, a product that didn't have any gains three years ago will hopefully have changed.

BTW I run a MSD on my other car

.

MTL_4runner · 07-21-2006, 10:49 AM

I swear someone tried an MSD module a long time ago, but I don't remember who or what ever came of it (good/bad/neutral).
In any case we are all curious how you make out after.

profuse007 · 07-21-2006, 10:53 AM

yo tim,

post up some pic of ur set-up. what are some advantage and dis?

blink · 07-21-2006, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTL_4runner

I swear someone tried an MSD module a long time ago, but I don't remember who or what ever came of it (good/bad/neutral).
In any case we are all curious how you make out after.

NX Tacoma had the msd setup and 150 shot of nos

I had the oppurtunity to check out his setup and the company that installed it ended up having to custom build 3 coil packs.

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blink

NX Tacoma had the msd setup and 150 shot of nos

I had the oppurtunity to check out his setup and the company that installed it ended up having to custom build 3 coil packs.

I find it very bizarre...

you do need to use two MSD tach adapters for the set up,,,but factory coils are fine

seems I will need to make a very detailed build up thread of this project,,,,

mastacox · 07-21-2006, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blink

NX Tacoma had the msd setup and 150 shot of nos

I had the oppurtunity to check out his setup and the company that installed it ended up having to custom build 3 coil packs.

I also remember when NX Tacoma first joined he was asking about the Nitrous, and despite warnings of destruction he put it in. Then, like two weeks later he got on again saying he was looking for a new engine because he blew his up :pat:

tour4fun · 07-21-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastacox

I also remember when NX Tacoma first joined he was asking about the Nitrous, and despite warnings of destruction he put it in. Then, like two weeks later he got on again saying he was looking for a new engine because he blew his up :pat:

We learn (hopefully) from mistakes

- (hopefully) not our own.

gregbreakseverything · 07-21-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastacox

I also remember when NX Tacoma first joined he was asking about the Nitrous, and despite warnings of destruction he put it in. Then, like two weeks later he got on again saying he was looking for a new engine because he blew his up :pat:

Interesting how that works.

rimpainter.com · 07-21-2006, 11:55 AM

I saw zero gains on two other vehicles (both were cap/rotor/single external coil) with MSD set-ups. The 5VZ has a very efficient COC ignition; I seriously doubt anyone is going to see + 1-2 MPG and 10 - 15 HP gains on a N/A motor with standard compression. If you start getting into forced induction, NOS, or increased compression ratio's - maybe, but even then those numbers are wishful thinking IMHO.

If anything, throttle response will be improved but that's about it. By all means prove me wrong though (with some data) and I will be happy to eat my words!

04 Rocko Taco · 07-21-2006, 12:05 PM

NOS is not detrimental to an engine at all. Now with that said, allow me to explain, it must be an engine enginerred and built for NO2. If you dont have the compression, and the air, and the fuel, and the piston rings for it, your gonna kill it. Simple as that. NO2 is nothing more than an oxidizer, it seperates oxygen from the rest of the air, and makes it almost pure oxygen in your Combustion chamber, which allows the fule to more burn hotter, quicker, and more completely. when used sparingly, No2 can be fantastic!! But people who strap a 150 shot on a stock motor should just put it in neutral, and stomp the gas, and rev it up till it explodes, save themselves time.
But on other fronts, yes we would lvoe to see a write up on the MSD ignition, I too, am unsure of the gains one will see on our 3.4's, but if you can, I'd love to be wrong. Thanks!!

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 12:06 PM

you are right, NO gains whatsoever can be had!!!

and actually, I just realized I have no clue about performance and toyotas and cars or trucks in general.....so why am I typing on here?

if I did have experience, had seen such gains on a dyno etc, I would have known not to be such a sillybee in saying that a late model all fancy computerized vehicle like a Toyota could gain an astoundingly whopping10 - 15 hp with an advanced iginiton system.

oh, here are a couple projects I have hacked together, I put the MSD boxes in for show

04 Rocko Taco · 07-21-2006, 12:09 PM

Looks nice!

gregbreakseverything · 07-21-2006, 12:18 PM

Wow, thats so good looking and colorful, i woudnt even care how fast it is.

BOSTON4RUNNER · 07-21-2006, 12:29 PM

the big block is in my dads 68 car should go in the nines

mine has a 302,,,that without the NOS makes 623hp.....but again what do I know hehe....if you think an MSD adding 10 - 15 HP to a Toyota is nuts, I dont know what to tell you about my 302!!

my car should go mid 10s due to the road race type suspension that it has, motor went 9.70s in a 3000 pound Nova...also you can see my friends blown 69 and other projects in the works on my site if you like www.sfaboston.com

rimpainter.com · 07-21-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOSTON4RUNNER

mine has a 302,,,that without the NOS makes 623hp.....but again what do I know hehe....if you think an MSD adding 10 - 15 HP to a Toyota is nuts, I dont know what to tell you about my 302!!

Apples and oranges. No one is questioning your expertise or ability to build a fast car, some of us are simply skeptical of a near 10% increase in power on an already efficient (ignition-wise) COC engine. By all means, prove us wrong!

07-21-2006, 06:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
gregbreakseverything Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Smithers, BC Posts: 696	Some dyno runs would be awsome. Do you need 3 moduals? one to replace each coilpack? Or is this something totally different? __________________ -Greg Sold- 85 4wd toyota pickup. Stock and sweet! '99 SR5 - Deckplate, ISR, Sweet stereo, all synthetic, KC day lighters, headlight wiring harness, Sonoran Steel #7, 285/75's.

07-21-2006, 06:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Toyota Punk Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Akron/Cleveland, OH Posts: 603	I would be interested to see what kind of gains you can get out of this. I always used to see these systems in the Perf Prod catalog, but for some reason I didn't think it would make a difference or be applicable to a 3.4... maybe I thought I didn't have a problem so why mess with it. A write-up would be nice if the gains are worth it. How difficult is it to install? __________________ - Vince 2001 4Runner SR5 4WD V6, Sport/Highlander Edition Black · Optima Red-Top · Addco front bar · Sylvania Silverstars · Injen intake · 265/75 Bridgestone Deuller A/T Revo's Webshots (please ignore the terribly quality cell-phone pics)

07-21-2006, 06:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
gregbreakseverything Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Smithers, BC Posts: 696	cool, you wouldnt happen to have a average joe price on these would you? Or are you going to make me search for one. __________________ -Greg Sold- 85 4wd toyota pickup. Stock and sweet! '99 SR5 - Deckplate, ISR, Sweet stereo, all synthetic, KC day lighters, headlight wiring harness, Sonoran Steel #7, 285/75's.

07-21-2006, 06:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
BOSTON4RUNNER Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 789	I would say 400 bucks for the whole shooting match I bet used stuff online, off ebay about 200 bucks also if you bought one and it did have a problem msd will do it over, entirely for like 50 bucks __________________ 305k MILES! 97 4Runner Khumo Road Venture MT's 285 75 16's LC wheels,Desert Dune,moonroof,safari rack,kc daylighters,3.4 Ltr. 5 spd,410s detroit ez locker, OME 891's, KYB shocks3 - 3.25 lift, Tokico,Taco springs,3 in lift in front Rev Tek spacers/top out 4Crawler diff drop, 1 in BL, 4 Runner altimeter, 2.5 in Flowmaster,high flow cat, mandrel steel air intake conical K & N. MSD DIS4,CB with 7 channel wave/weather report,4 foot firestick,Pioneer CD,30 gig IPOD. www.sfaboston.com

07-21-2006, 06:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
gregbreakseverything Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Smithers, BC Posts: 696	I was actually surprised that there wasn't much playing with the ignition and computers on this forum. There is alot of people that will do anything to get that lil' more out of thier 4runner. __________________ -Greg Sold- 85 4wd toyota pickup. Stock and sweet! '99 SR5 - Deckplate, ISR, Sweet stereo, all synthetic, KC day lighters, headlight wiring harness, Sonoran Steel #7, 285/75's.

07-21-2006, 08:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
MTL_4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 8,807	Tim, I'd definately be interested in seeing some dyno before and after runs! Pics would be great too and witeup would just be bonus. __________________ - Jamie 1996 4Runner SR5 4X4 Auto Deckplate Mod, Hayden Tranny Cooler, Amsoil Air Filter, OME 881/906 N86C/N91SC Lift Best OBD II scan tool I have used!. .....and I am AMERICAN!

07-21-2006, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
crackerjack Contributing Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: cookeville tn. Posts: 616	man I put one of those Crain multispark ignition upgrades on my 22re. Got a spark tester spark was weak before and bold after. Increased gap to .36 with iridime plugs don't know bout no dyno just look in mirror as I gas it down gravel driveway big As far as install goes there are a lot of wires for different setups ie turbo's and ignition theftproof but basically it's just wired between igniter and cap.

07-21-2006, 09:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
tour4fun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 204	I am always interested in 'real' dyno runs. Too many people are quick to write off products due to what other people say. Products improve and change over time, a product that didn't have any gains three years ago will hopefully have changed. BTW I run a MSD on my other car . __________________ I never thought the turbo could get any better, then ...... Unmolested 2008 Runner

07-21-2006, 10:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
MTL_4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 8,807	I swear someone tried an MSD module a long time ago, but I don't remember who or what ever came of it (good/bad/neutral). In any case we are all curious how you make out after. __________________ - Jamie 1996 4Runner SR5 4X4 Auto Deckplate Mod, Hayden Tranny Cooler, Amsoil Air Filter, OME 881/906 N86C/N91SC Lift Best OBD II scan tool I have used!. .....and I am AMERICAN!

07-21-2006, 10:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
profuse007 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: TX Posts: 393	yo tim, post up some pic of ur set-up. what are some advantage and dis? __________________ Tran, oO 4runner - Millenium Silver WTB: 01-02 4runner right(pass.) taillight .,~??▼.,~??▼.,~??▼ WTB: Hood wind deflector

07-21-2006, 11:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	I saw zero gains on two other vehicles (both were cap/rotor/single external coil) with MSD set-ups. The 5VZ has a very efficient COC ignition; I seriously doubt anyone is going to see + 1-2 MPG and 10 - 15 HP gains on a N/A motor with standard compression. If you start getting into forced induction, NOS, or increased compression ratio's - maybe, but even then those numbers are wishful thinking IMHO. If anything, throttle response will be improved but that's about it. By all means prove me wrong though (with some data) and I will be happy to eat my words! __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

07-21-2006, 12:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
04 Rocko Taco Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 4,070	NOS is not detrimental to an engine at all. Now with that said, allow me to explain, it must be an engine enginerred and built for NO2. If you dont have the compression, and the air, and the fuel, and the piston rings for it, your gonna kill it. Simple as that. NO2 is nothing more than an oxidizer, it seperates oxygen from the rest of the air, and makes it almost pure oxygen in your Combustion chamber, which allows the fule to more burn hotter, quicker, and more completely. when used sparingly, No2 can be fantastic!! But people who strap a 150 shot on a stock motor should just put it in neutral, and stomp the gas, and rev it up till it explodes, save themselves time. But on other fronts, yes we would lvoe to see a write up on the MSD ignition, I too, am unsure of the gains one will see on our 3.4's, but if you can, I'd love to be wrong. Thanks!! __________________ -Chris Tread Lightly! 04 Double Cab PreRunner. 3.4 - Auto 84 4Runner 4WD. 22R - 5 spd Lifted, Locked, 33x12.50 Disclaimer:My Photobucket is being revamped. If there are broken links, shoot me a PM. Thanks. ~Chris Great Toyota Tech

07-21-2006, 12:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
BOSTON4RUNNER Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 789	you are right, NO gains whatsoever can be had!!! and actually, I just realized I have no clue about performance and toyotas and cars or trucks in general.....so why am I typing on here? if I did have experience, had seen such gains on a dyno etc, I would have known not to be such a sillybee in saying that a late model all fancy computerized vehicle like a Toyota could gain an astoundingly whopping10 - 15 hp with an advanced iginiton system. oh, here are a couple projects I have hacked together, I put the MSD boxes in for show __________________ 305k MILES! 97 4Runner Khumo Road Venture MT's 285 75 16's LC wheels,Desert Dune,moonroof,safari rack,kc daylighters,3.4 Ltr. 5 spd,410s detroit ez locker, OME 891's, KYB shocks3 - 3.25 lift, Tokico,Taco springs,3 in lift in front Rev Tek spacers/top out 4Crawler diff drop, 1 in BL, 4 Runner altimeter, 2.5 in Flowmaster,high flow cat, mandrel steel air intake conical K & N. MSD DIS4,CB with 7 channel wave/weather report,4 foot firestick,Pioneer CD,30 gig IPOD. www.sfaboston.com Last edited by BOSTON4RUNNER; 07-21-2006 at 12:08 PM.

07-21-2006, 12:09 PM	#22 (permalink)
04 Rocko Taco Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 4,070	Looks nice! __________________ -Chris Tread Lightly! 04 Double Cab PreRunner. 3.4 - Auto 84 4Runner 4WD. 22R - 5 spd Lifted, Locked, 33x12.50 Disclaimer:My Photobucket is being revamped. If there are broken links, shoot me a PM. Thanks. ~Chris Great Toyota Tech

07-21-2006, 12:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
gregbreakseverything Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Smithers, BC Posts: 696	Wow, thats so good looking and colorful, i woudnt even care how fast it is. __________________ -Greg Sold- 85 4wd toyota pickup. Stock and sweet! '99 SR5 - Deckplate, ISR, Sweet stereo, all synthetic, KC day lighters, headlight wiring harness, Sonoran Steel #7, 285/75's.

07-21-2006, 12:29 PM	#24 (permalink)
BOSTON4RUNNER Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 789	the big block is in my dads 68 car should go in the nines mine has a 302,,,that without the NOS makes 623hp.....but again what do I know hehe....if you think an MSD adding 10 - 15 HP to a Toyota is nuts, I dont know what to tell you about my 302!! my car should go mid 10s due to the road race type suspension that it has, motor went 9.70s in a 3000 pound Nova...also you can see my friends blown 69 and other projects in the works on my site if you like www.sfaboston.com __________________ 305k MILES! 97 4Runner Khumo Road Venture MT's 285 75 16's LC wheels,Desert Dune,moonroof,safari rack,kc daylighters,3.4 Ltr. 5 spd,410s detroit ez locker, OME 891's, KYB shocks3 - 3.25 lift, Tokico,Taco springs,3 in lift in front Rev Tek spacers/top out 4Crawler diff drop, 1 in BL, 4 Runner altimeter, 2.5 in Flowmaster,high flow cat, mandrel steel air intake conical K & N. MSD DIS4,CB with 7 channel wave/weather report,4 foot firestick,Pioneer CD,30 gig IPOD. www.sfaboston.com Last edited by BOSTON4RUNNER; 07-21-2006 at 12:32 PM.

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