High Idle plus throttle cable loose
10-16-2005, 03:56 PM
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High Idle plus throttle cable loose
On my way back home outside of Atlanta GA I was towing my gf's MR2 on I85 when all off a sudden we had to stop due to a traffic jam. My brakes were very hard to stop and I had to shove it in neutral because the idle was stuck at 3400 RPMs. I pulled onto the shoulder and take a look at the throttle valve. I cleaned up the throttle plate and still had the same results high idle. Next I examined the throttle cable mechanism and noticed all 3 cables were very slack and the spring must not have been strong enough to cut the idle down. Anyone have this problem before? I did not find anything on my search other than adjusting the cable. I know the cruise cable is broken so I'm going to replace it.
10-16-2005, 05:47 PM
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Hard brakes and high idle at the same time. That would lead me to think the brake booster went bad or you have a leak in the brake booster vaccum line somewhere. Usually the cable sticking won't make the brakes hard. hard brakes has to do with a vaccum leak or bad brake booster. I would check those as well. 
10-16-2005, 06:22 PM
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I can't believe I didn't think of that, you may absolutely be right. I still need to adjust my cables and fix the cruise control cable as well. Thanks Trx!
10-17-2005, 08:29 AM
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bear in mind this is all from my 22RE experiences, but other motors work similarly, so it prolly applies...
the dashpot is the little plunger like thingie (sort of a shock absorber) that keeps the throttle body butterfly from slamming shut...
serves two purposes...prevents backfiring and keeps the truck from stopping too quickly when you let off the gas pedal. (at least in theory...in reality, my truck and others trucks seem to behave the same even with the dashpot removed completely, so it seems it might be solving a non-existent problem.)
anyway, on the 22RE, at least, it is on the outside of the TB where the accelerator cable hooks up to it. it has a little rubber boot that gets torn and then gunk gets in there and the plunger sticks and won't close all the way...thus, holding the butterfly open and causing the high idle (which also makes it hard to brake because you are fighting the increased power made by the engine at the higher RPM level).
when this first happened to me (at 2AM out in the middle of nowhere), i just took the dashpot off...problems solved. i have since put it back on and just spray it with silicon lube every now and then and that seems to keep it working fine.
(that could also explain why your cables have slack in them...if the linkage on the TB is not closing all the way and the gas pedal is not depressed, there is a shorter distance than expected between the pedal and the TB.)
the dashpot is the little plunger like thingie (sort of a shock absorber) that keeps the throttle body butterfly from slamming shut...
serves two purposes...prevents backfiring and keeps the truck from stopping too quickly when you let off the gas pedal. (at least in theory...in reality, my truck and others trucks seem to behave the same even with the dashpot removed completely, so it seems it might be solving a non-existent problem.)
anyway, on the 22RE, at least, it is on the outside of the TB where the accelerator cable hooks up to it. it has a little rubber boot that gets torn and then gunk gets in there and the plunger sticks and won't close all the way...thus, holding the butterfly open and causing the high idle (which also makes it hard to brake because you are fighting the increased power made by the engine at the higher RPM level).
when this first happened to me (at 2AM out in the middle of nowhere), i just took the dashpot off...problems solved. i have since put it back on and just spray it with silicon lube every now and then and that seems to keep it working fine.
(that could also explain why your cables have slack in them...if the linkage on the TB is not closing all the way and the gas pedal is not depressed, there is a shorter distance than expected between the pedal and the TB.)
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10-17-2005, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota
bear in mind this is all from my 22RE experiences, but other motors work similarly, so it prolly applies...
the dashpot is the little plunger like thingie (sort of a shock absorber) that keeps the throttle body butterfly from slamming shut...
serves two purposes...prevents backfiring and keeps the truck from stopping too quickly when you let off the gas pedal. (at least in theory...in reality, my truck and others trucks seem to behave the same even with the dashpot removed completely, so it seems it might be solving a non-existent problem.)
anyway, on the 22RE, at least, it is on the outside of the TB where the accelerator cable hooks up to it. it has a little rubber boot that gets torn and then gunk gets in there and the plunger sticks and won't close all the way...thus, holding the butterfly open and causing the high idle (which also makes it hard to brake because you are fighting the increased power made by the engine at the higher RPM level).
when this first happened to me (at 2AM out in the middle of nowhere), i just took the dashpot off...problems solved. i have since put it back on and just spray it with silicon lube every now and then and that seems to keep it working fine.
(that could also explain why your cables have slack in them...if the linkage on the TB is not closing all the way and the gas pedal is not depressed, there is a shorter distance than expected between the pedal and the TB.)
the dashpot is the little plunger like thingie (sort of a shock absorber) that keeps the throttle body butterfly from slamming shut...
serves two purposes...prevents backfiring and keeps the truck from stopping too quickly when you let off the gas pedal. (at least in theory...in reality, my truck and others trucks seem to behave the same even with the dashpot removed completely, so it seems it might be solving a non-existent problem.)
anyway, on the 22RE, at least, it is on the outside of the TB where the accelerator cable hooks up to it. it has a little rubber boot that gets torn and then gunk gets in there and the plunger sticks and won't close all the way...thus, holding the butterfly open and causing the high idle (which also makes it hard to brake because you are fighting the increased power made by the engine at the higher RPM level).
when this first happened to me (at 2AM out in the middle of nowhere), i just took the dashpot off...problems solved. i have since put it back on and just spray it with silicon lube every now and then and that seems to keep it working fine.
(that could also explain why your cables have slack in them...if the linkage on the TB is not closing all the way and the gas pedal is not depressed, there is a shorter distance than expected between the pedal and the TB.)
What motor are we diagnosing BTW?
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10-17-2005, 01:16 PM
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Checked the brake booster line and vacuum. Everything checks out normally. I cannot find the dashpot you are talking about. I have a '98 4RUnner with a 3.4l engine. I will have to get back to it.
10-17-2005, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota
serves two purposes...prevents backfiring and keeps the truck from stopping too quickly when you let off the gas pedal. (at least in theory...in reality, my truck and others trucks seem to behave the same even with the dashpot removed completely, so it seems it might be solving a non-existent problem.)
I beleive they are supposed to help with emissions as it allows the gas that was being pumped in at full throttle to burn when you suddenly let off the gas, because you are right taking it off cause no ill side effects that I can see.
10-17-2005, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ironmike4x4
Checked the brake booster line and vacuum. Everything checks out normally. I cannot find the dashpot you are talking about. I have a '98 4RUnner with a 3.4l engine. I will have to get back to it.
10-17-2005, 02:56 PM
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Update:
I wound up finding some type of hose that feeds into the air intake box to somewhere on the back of the engine had a nice long split on the bottom so I never saw it during my initial check. Went and replaced the hose and it worked again.
edit: Finally saw what it was on Alldata... it was an idle air control valve hose. That explains the high idle and no power. Thanks for your input guys.
I wound up finding some type of hose that feeds into the air intake box to somewhere on the back of the engine had a nice long split on the bottom so I never saw it during my initial check. Went and replaced the hose and it worked again.
edit: Finally saw what it was on Alldata... it was an idle air control valve hose. That explains the high idle and no power. Thanks for your input guys.
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10-18-2005, 03:49 PM
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Yeah came to figure out that the IAC bumping up the idle and the brakes are having a hard time to fight the increased power so it made them just about worthless. It was scary too since I was hauling a trailor with my gf's MR2
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