FIXED!! Stupid PLASTIC clutch pedal bushing - Page 3

Sucellus · 02-22-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

'cuse my laziness, but whats the part # for the brake pedal spring?

Bob

Hey, good to hear Bob. I don't think you'll be disappointed. The clutch works much better, and the fact that I'm still using toyota factory parts puts my mind at ease. The clearance on the brake return sping is small but it is litterally perfect in that it does not make any contact.

The part # I got was 90507-17002.

Good luck and enjoy!

Bob_98SR5 · 02-22-2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sucellus

Hey, good to hear Bob. I don't think you'll be disappointed. The clutch works much better, and the fact that I'm still using toyota factory parts puts my mind at ease. The clearance on the brake return sping is small but it is litterally perfect in that it does not make any contact.

The part # I got was 90507-17002.

Good luck and enjoy!

Sucellus,

Thanks for the part number.

Bob

Mystickal · 02-22-2004, 11:50 PM

Bob,

If you haven't ordered the new spring from the factory yet, you can take the route I ended up taking. I too tried to find the spring at Ace and Truevalue, but didn't have much luck with either. I ended up going to a NAPA and, in their 'help' series (you know - all the misc stuff that comes in the red packaging - replacement radiator caps, gas caps, plastic pieces, etc etc) there was a 'clutch replacement spring'. It was in a 2 pack. One side come pre-bent, the other side you must bend to fit the vehicle.

Worked like a charm. Wasn't too much, either - I think about $5 or so. Better price then the dealerships.

~Bill

Bob_98SR5 · 03-02-2004, 10:23 PM

Another satisfied member of the Unhappy spring club!

I bought the stock Toyota brake spring listed in this thread and installed it tonite. Getting the two gas and hood release levers and the bottom panel was a cinch (done it so many times).

Getting the spring off was also easily accomplished by using a "wonder bar" (looks like a mini-cat's paw). Definitely wrap the spring up with a towel by inserting one end through the clutch pedal bracket, keep feeding it through and pull once there is enough to pull down. I tied the end to the clutch pedal itself.

Once off, i took off the crappy plastic u-bushing. It was cracked in half. POS!!!

Admittedly, I had a difficult time finding the L-shaped hole. The one picture that Unhappy posted w/ the spring attached is somewhat visually misleading. It looks like the spring is located directly above the end of the roller pin/cotter pin. However, the L-shaped bracket (and hole) is located *towards* the driver's seat. So if you can imagine, the spring is attached and a 45 degree downwards angle.

Went for a drive and its a joy to hear no squeaking! However, I think i need a little more hydraulic clutch fluid.

One thing I also noticed immediately is that the clutch action is a little stiffer. It's no big deal. In fact, it feels more like a truck! Quite possibly in a year, my left calf will be abnormally huge!

just kidding, its not that bad but definitely more spring tension than the former torsion spring/crappy bushing.

THANKS UNHAPPY. YOU'RE THE KING!

Bob

keisur · 03-03-2004, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

One thing I also noticed immediately is that the clutch action is a little stiffer. It's no big deal. In fact, it feels more like a truck! Quite possibly in a year, my left calf will be abnormally huge!

just kidding, its not that bad but definitely more spring tension than the former torsion spring/crappy bushing.

THANKS UNHAPPY. YOU'RE THE KING!

Bob

Bob, or you could have two bad knees from playing soccer that get swollen from stiff clutches. my 4runner isn't bad but when my wife had her tacoma, about 30 minutes of wheeling or traffic in that thing we'd have to do the "chinese redlight drill" so she could take over. I may try this though, maybe it won't bother it too bad. my u-bushing is still holding up after about 30k though and I have a spare sitting in the garage. I guess I could try it and if the swell then I could switch it back. gotta get these things operated on but I'm waiting, just had my shoulder scoped so I gotta recoup from that money dump!

Sucellus · 03-03-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

Another satisfied member of the Unhappy spring club!

Congrats, Bob!

What did you do with the lever arm?

I don't really notice the difference anymore. I don't know whether this is due to getting used to it, or whether the spring losened up a bit with use. I certainly notice it much more seldom then when it was squeeking. It did feel more like a truck or the clutch of an older sportscar when I first did mine. I still love the feedback and engagement control.

Bob_98SR5 · 03-03-2004, 08:46 AM

Sucellus,

I'm not sure what part you're talking about (lever arm), but if youre talking about the part that the u-bushing sits in, I took the dremel to it and cut 1/2 of it off. I needed to use a right angle attachment and it worked perfectly. I then grinded down the edges cuz I'm anal.

Bob

Bob_98SR5 · 03-12-2004, 12:41 AM

Guys,

Ok, the brake pedal return spring was a little too much for me.

Having read that the 2nd gen 4runners use clutch springs like Unhappy has suggested, I bought one from a 95 4runner today. The spring tension is about 40% less than the brake return spring. Its definitely easier to work the clutch now. I'm much happier.

Part # 90507-14030

Looks very similar to the #70 spring but there are fewer coils and they are slightly fatter.

Bob

SLC Punk · 03-12-2004, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

Guys,

Ok, the brake pedal return spring was a little too much for me.

Having read that the 2nd gen 4runners use clutch springs like Unhappy has suggested, I bought one from a 95 4runner today. The spring tension is about 40% less than the brake return spring. Its definitely easier to work the clutch now. I'm much happier.

Part # 90507-14030

Looks very similar to the #70 spring but there are fewer coils and they are slightly fatter.

Bob

So are you happy with this setup? Or are you still testing it out?

keisur · 03-12-2004, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

Guys,

Ok, the brake pedal return spring was a little too much for me.

Having read that the 2nd gen 4runners use clutch springs like Unhappy has suggested, I bought one from a 95 4runner today. The spring tension is about 40% less than the brake return spring. Its definitely easier to work the clutch now. I'm much happier.

Part # 90507-14030

Looks very similar to the #70 spring but there are fewer coils and they are slightly fatter.

Bob

thanks for posting before I bought that spring. definately would have trashed my knee then. keep us posted on how this new one does so maybe I'll get one of those instead.

Bob_98SR5 · 03-12-2004, 09:09 AM

travis and keisur,

i've driving my 4runner w/ this spring 2 times since last night. the tension as i said is about 40% less than the brake return spring. there's no way i'd go back to the BRS. i'd definitely get the clutch return spring from the 2nd gen.

and yes, everything i've done to improve the shifting (clutch bushing, this spring and MT-90) has made driving a little more enjoyable. now the only two more things that i'm looking to replace are the shift lever seat and the master/slave cylinders (for that squeaking sound).

bob

keisur · 03-12-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

now the only two more things that i'm looking to replace are the shift lever seat and the master/slave cylinders (for that squeaking sound).

bob

the shift lever seat and bushing is easy, you'll notice it if the lever is sloppy. mine wasn't really sloppy but the new stuff tightened it up a bit. I was sort of dissappointed that the original seat and bushing wasn't in bad shape when I pulled it out. basically I really didn't need to do it.

SLC Punk · 03-12-2004, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

travis and keisur,

i've driving my 4runner w/ this spring 2 times since last night. the tension as i said is about 40% less than the brake return spring. there's no way i'd go back to the BRS. i'd definitely get the clutch return spring from the 2nd gen.

and yes, everything i've done to improve the shifting (clutch bushing, this spring and MT-90) has made driving a little more enjoyable. now the only two more things that i'm looking to replace are the shift lever seat and the master/slave cylinders (for that squeaking sound).

bob

I will have to look into doing the 2nd gen spring then
Thanks for the info

You will have to take the transmission out to get rid of the crickets. Those tranny's & T-case's are heavy!

Bob_98SR5 · 03-12-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SLC Punk

I will have to look into doing the 2nd gen spring then
Thanks for the info

You will have to take the transmission out to get rid of the crickets. Those tranny's & T-case's are heavy!

Travis,

I like the crickets.

That one I can live with. Its not really loud anymore. The last off roading trip may have shaken something back in its place

AZRain theorizes that its my clutch MC/SC from prior experience. I'm guessing he's right. That's next month's project.

Bob

SLC Punk · 03-12-2004, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

Travis,

I like the crickets.

That one I can live with. Its not really loud anymore. The last off roading trip may have shaken something back in its place

AZRain theorizes that its my clutch MC/SC from prior experience. I'm guessing he's right. That's next month's project.

Bob

Oh this must be another problem. :pat:

Sucellus · 03-12-2004, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5

Guys,

Part # 90507-14030

Bob

Thats a good idea, Bob! The bprs is a bit stiff....It is nice and quiet though, and it seems to hold the pedal against the clutch button pretty well(I believe the button is for disengaging cruise control when the clutch is depressed).

Do you think either of these things would be a problem with this new spring?

Does the new one have the same rubber shock absorber for quieting spring action?

I assume it clears everything under there ok?

I love to see this kind of innovation and refinement of a good idea!

Bob_98SR5 · 03-12-2004, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucellus

Thats a good idea, Bob! The bprs is a bit stiff....It is nice and quiet though, and it seems to hold the pedal against the clutch button pretty well(I believe the button is for disengaging cruise control when the clutch is depressed).

Do you think either of these things would be a problem with this new spring?

Does the new one have the same rubber shock absorber for quieting spring action?

I assume it clears everything under there ok?

I love to see this kind of innovation and refinement of a good idea!

Sucellus,

Yeah, innovation and refinement of the original mod is what's so damn cool about this forum.

I don't think the 2nd gen spring will have any problems at all. It would be great if someone could measure the distance from the L-shaped bracket hole to the clutch roll pin in a 2nd gen 4runner so i can compare. If the same or relatively same distance, i think this is a viable solution.

Yes, this 2nd gen spring has the rubber thing in it. But wait...the rubber thing is supposed to quiet the spring action?

!!!!! Crap, I think its in my garage garbage can!

To me, i don't think it makes a difference but if it does, I gotta do some fishing when i get home.

Yes, it does clear any of the parts with no problem. However, since i cut the bottom of the lever arm off w/ my dremel, its hard to say. I think there might be some contact even with this spring. However, since this spring is smaller in circumference, it presumably would contact it less. But we're talking a millimeter or two.

And if i didn't mention it before, it looks *very* similiar to the #70 spring that Unhappy posted in his first original post in this thread. I'd say its a little smaller in circumference and less coils in length. Its a pleasant tension. I'm going to buy another one as a spare soon too.

Bob

Albuquerque Jim · 03-20-2004, 10:04 PM

I am another "Happy" new spring on my clutch guy, and I can barely tell the difference.

You da man!

10 minutes, tops! I didn't even take the lower dash panel down, I just pryed the spring off and stuck the new one on.

03-20-2004, 10:04 PM	#68 (permalink)
Albuquerque Jim Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,568	I am another "Happy" new spring on my clutch guy, and I can barely tell the difference. You da man! 10 minutes, tops! I didn't even take the lower dash panel down, I just pryed the spring off and stuck the new one on. __________________ '00 SR5, "Highlander" Dual Cases, Aisin Hubs, E-Lock'd, Cryo'd, Chromo'd, ARB'd, 315's, Sonoran Steel Bumper, Lift & UCA's, 4 Crawl 1" BL, Armored...etc. F-Toy #081 in progress Dual Cases, 30 Splines, 5.71's, E-lockers, Hydro-Assist, 37's, DOM Hendrix Chassis, 80Proof, ORS, Sonoran Steel...etc.

02-22-2004, 11:50 PM	#53 (permalink)
Mystickal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 220	Bob, If you haven't ordered the new spring from the factory yet, you can take the route I ended up taking. I too tried to find the spring at Ace and Truevalue, but didn't have much luck with either. I ended up going to a NAPA and, in their 'help' series (you know - all the misc stuff that comes in the red packaging - replacement radiator caps, gas caps, plastic pieces, etc etc) there was a 'clutch replacement spring'. It was in a 2 pack. One side come pre-bent, the other side you must bend to fit the vehicle. Worked like a charm. Wasn't too much, either - I think about $5 or so. Better price then the dealerships. ~Bill

03-02-2004, 10:23 PM	#54 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,115	Another satisfied member of the Unhappy spring club! I bought the stock Toyota brake spring listed in this thread and installed it tonite. Getting the two gas and hood release levers and the bottom panel was a cinch (done it so many times). Getting the spring off was also easily accomplished by using a "wonder bar" (looks like a mini-cat's paw). Definitely wrap the spring up with a towel by inserting one end through the clutch pedal bracket, keep feeding it through and pull once there is enough to pull down. I tied the end to the clutch pedal itself. Once off, i took off the crappy plastic u-bushing. It was cracked in half. POS!!! Admittedly, I had a difficult time finding the L-shaped hole. The one picture that Unhappy posted w/ the spring attached is somewhat visually misleading. It looks like the spring is located directly above the end of the roller pin/cotter pin. However, the L-shaped bracket (and hole) is located towards the driver's seat. So if you can imagine, the spring is attached and a 45 degree downwards angle. Went for a drive and its a joy to hear no squeaking! However, I think i need a little more hydraulic clutch fluid. One thing I also noticed immediately is that the clutch action is a little stiffer. It's no big deal. In fact, it feels more like a truck! Quite possibly in a year, my left calf will be abnormally huge! just kidding, its not that bad but definitely more spring tension than the former torsion spring/crappy bushing. THANKS UNHAPPY. YOU'RE THE KING! Bob

03-03-2004, 08:46 AM	#57 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,115	Sucellus, I'm not sure what part you're talking about (lever arm), but if youre talking about the part that the u-bushing sits in, I took the dremel to it and cut 1/2 of it off. I needed to use a right angle attachment and it worked perfectly. I then grinded down the edges cuz I'm anal. Bob

03-12-2004, 12:41 AM	#58 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,115	Guys, Ok, the brake pedal return spring was a little too much for me. Having read that the 2nd gen 4runners use clutch springs like Unhappy has suggested, I bought one from a 95 4runner today. The spring tension is about 40% less than the brake return spring. Its definitely easier to work the clutch now. I'm much happier. Part # 90507-14030 Looks very similar to the #70 spring but there are fewer coils and they are slightly fatter. Bob

03-12-2004, 09:09 AM	#61 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,115	travis and keisur, i've driving my 4runner w/ this spring 2 times since last night. the tension as i said is about 40% less than the brake return spring. there's no way i'd go back to the BRS. i'd definitely get the clutch return spring from the 2nd gen. and yes, everything i've done to improve the shifting (clutch bushing, this spring and MT-90) has made driving a little more enjoyable. now the only two more things that i'm looking to replace are the shift lever seat and the master/slave cylinders (for that squeaking sound). bob