Can't sell it so why not lift it......

SQRLNTS · 03-30-2004, 09:11 AM

Guys, First of all I don't want to spend too much money.

I am sure everyone started out like this. But I want to do 2 inches of body lift (R.B.) and 2 of suspension (spacers). Will this allow me enough room to run 315 H2 takeoffs? I have a 98 4Runner 4x4. It won't see much offroad, thanks for the advice. Does anyone have any pics of this setup.

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Hyperlite · 03-30-2004, 09:16 AM

uh.......no
I have
2" BL
2.5"-3" Old Man Emu suspension
1.5" Coil Spacers
Removed alot of sheet metal around the pinch weld
No Sway Bar
I run 305/70R16 and they still rub
My next tires will be 315s but that is after I replace my upper A-arms

SQRLNTS · 03-30-2004, 09:24 AM

What might be a good fit 33's???

Cebby · 03-30-2004, 09:25 AM

Aren't 315's too wide for stock wheels? The H2 wheels are 8 lug IIRC, so they would not bolt up. So, not only will you rub (badly), you need to get new wheels also.

X-AWDriver · 03-30-2004, 09:27 AM

So,if you aren't gonna off road much then why lift it and make it more top heavy and decrease cornering ability for just around town driving? The looks factor would be cool tho' but.......

SQRLNTS · 03-30-2004, 09:34 AM

315's might be too wide I don't know. X-AWDriver I do like the looks of a lifted runner and that is appeal enough for me. I don't live and breath 4Runner, that is why I am asking all the questions here.

Jonathan · 03-30-2004, 09:35 AM

Yeah 315's are definetly to wide for the stock rim. You are going to be rubbing all over the place as well, probably front valence, pinch weld, frame, and probably the a-arms as well. You could do the lift you mention and run a 305 All-Terrain tire and have minimal or no rubbing but not a 315. Remember it's not always the height that kills you but most of the time it's the width of the tire that decides if it will fit or not.

Hyperlite · 03-30-2004, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Yeah 315's are definetly to wide for the stock rim.

Actually the 315s are 12.5s and they will fit stock rims. You do have to be concerned with poping the rim off the bead and run low pressure so it doesn't wear to much in the middle. Beadlocks like Bruce's are a good idea when running 35s

X-AWDriver · 03-30-2004, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SQRLNTS

315's might be too wide I don't know. X-AWDriver I do like the looks of a lifted runner and that is appeal enough for me. I don't live and breath 4Runner, that is why I am asking all the questions here.

I like the looks too and if when you do off road you won't be dinking vital parts as easily. I'm just jealous since my Runner won't be lifted for a while yet.

Good Times · 03-30-2004, 10:12 AM

Since cost is a factor for ya and it will not see much of the dirt, I'd say go with some spacers (www.cornfedsuspension.com). I think that those spacers are much better than Revtek and Daystar so give em a call. Check out their website for more info.

I think w/ the cornfeds you should be able to run 285/75/16's w/ minimal rubbing.

good luck

loosehead · 03-30-2004, 10:35 AM

Hey, another New Mexican...

If you really want to run 315's, the check out what sschaefer had to do .

The other thing I was wondering, aren't H2 take-offs 315/75/17 ? You would (obviously) need new wheels to run these. If you want to clear 33" (285's) then you need 2 inches of suspension lift in the front and a little trimming, and 2.5" in the rear or a 1" bodylift and 2" suspension lift.

There are a few of us NM guys around who could probably help you with the install. In fact, one member here, SteveO did have some used lift gear for sale...DOn't know what he still has, though.

loosehead · 03-30-2004, 10:50 AM

[quote=Hyperlite]Actually the 315s are 12.5s and they will fit stock rims. You do have to be concerned with poping the rim off the bead and run low pressure so it doesn't wear to much in the middle. Beadlocks like Bruce's are a good idea when running 35s
QUOTE]

Keep in mind that when Bruce had the beadlocks added, the wheels actually become 8" wide.

Jonathan · 03-30-2004, 11:05 AM

Yeah it's possible to run the 315's on stock rims, but airing down would be a little hazardous, seeing you will probably pop the rim off the bead. Personally I wouldn't even try it, but it's your truck not mine. I would at least upgrade to a 16x8" rim if you're going to do that.

SQRLNTS · 03-30-2004, 09:05 PM

Thanks for the input guys.
loosehead, I will try to pm StevO about the parts.
So basically it sounds like 305's with spacers, body lift and trimming.
I will keep the board posted of progress made.
Thanks again

fourunnabilly · 03-30-2004, 10:26 PM

I suppose this info is both relevant and irrelevant to this scenario. For what its worth, I am running H2 take offs under my 4th gen. They are 315/70R17's. I have them mounted on a 17" wheel that is 8.5" wide. Height/diameter wise, they are a solid 35". Tread width is a little narrower than a 12.5" tire, but not by much...about 12.25". I have 4" of suspension lift thru custom spacers and coils, and uniball upper control arms. I have trimmed the front bumper, removed the mud flaps, removed a bit of the inner fender, pounded the pinch weld, and trimmed other various parts of the fender. Though I no longer rub my control arms or spindles, I still do experience minimal tire rubbing against the frame at a full turn. I have wheeled the runner quite a bit and had no probs, but it is a very very tight fit. I have been contemplating a 1-2" body lift for some time, but have concluded that because the front and rear bumpers on the 4th gens are so intgrated into the rest of the body that it just isnt worth it to me at this point. In my opinion, you are going to need a good 5+ inches of lift to clear the 315's with absolutely no rubbing. The H2 take-offs are extremely affordable and available right now, so it is a hard situation to ignore. I say stick with the 305's or 33's...they will look great and be a lot easier to fit in the fender...I'm just one of those idiots that never knows when to quit...if I add the 2" body lift, I am sure I would try to cram some 37's under my rig. Good luck.

Billy

03-30-2004, 09:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Hyperlite Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mooresville (Lake Norman) NC Posts: 1,028	uh.......no I have 2" BL 2.5"-3" Old Man Emu suspension 1.5" Coil Spacers Removed alot of sheet metal around the pinch weld No Sway Bar I run 305/70R16 and they still rub My next tires will be 315s but that is after I replace my upper A-arms __________________ 97 4Runner Limited front Fox 16" Coilovers 98 BMW M Roadster 69 Bronco Half Cab

03-30-2004, 09:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
SQRLNTS Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 36	uhh....thanks What might be a good fit 33's??? __________________ 1998 4Runner 4x4 Limited

03-30-2004, 09:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cebby Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,246	Aren't 315's too wide for stock wheels? The H2 wheels are 8 lug IIRC, so they would not bolt up. So, not only will you rub (badly), you need to get new wheels also. __________________ UZswap.com A site dedicated to sharing info for swapping the Toyota/ Lexus UZ (V8) engines into Toyota Trucks and 4Runners. My 4Runner 1993 4Runner, 1UZ (V8) auto dual ultimate crawler, double locked, 35's on beadlocked SR5 alloys, low lift, hacked fenders, tubbed firewall, custom armor TOOLandFAB.com A discussion forum dedicated to tools, fabrication & workshops. See my JD2 Bender Hydro Conversion BUY THIS 2008 CALENDAR

03-30-2004, 09:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,176	So,if you aren't gonna off road much then why lift it and make it more top heavy and decrease cornering ability for just around town driving? The looks factor would be cool tho' but....... __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

03-30-2004, 09:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
SQRLNTS Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 36	315's might be too wide I don't know. X-AWDriver I do like the looks of a lifted runner and that is appeal enough for me. I don't live and breath 4Runner, that is why I am asking all the questions here. __________________ 1998 4Runner 4x4 Limited

03-30-2004, 09:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jonathan Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 1,743	Yeah 315's are definetly to wide for the stock rim. You are going to be rubbing all over the place as well, probably front valence, pinch weld, frame, and probably the a-arms as well. You could do the lift you mention and run a 305 All-Terrain tire and have minimal or no rubbing but not a 315. Remember it's not always the height that kills you but most of the time it's the width of the tire that decides if it will fit or not. __________________ 1996 Black 4Runner V6 5 speed 4X4\| Retrofitted E-Locker\| SAW's\| LC coils and Doetschtech shocks\| ATS arms \| 285 Goodyear MTR's\|TJM T-15 With Warn M8000\|Retrofitted Toyota Hood Scoop\| Stubbs Sliders\|Bushwacker Extend-A-Fender Flares\| Extended rear diff breather\| Uniden 510XL CB w/ 4 Ft. Firestik II Antenna\|Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler\|Black headlights and corners\| More to come... 2007 VW GTI 6 Speed

03-30-2004, 10:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
Good Times Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,693	Since cost is a factor for ya and it will not see much of the dirt, I'd say go with some spacers (www.cornfedsuspension.com). I think that those spacers are much better than Revtek and Daystar so give em a call. Check out their website for more info. I think w/ the cornfeds you should be able to run 285/75/16's w/ minimal rubbing. good luck __________________ 2003 4runner SR5 4x4 Chaos Edition Chaos Edition! Operation Rebuild Chaos Edition Need to reach me or ask questions? You can find me here!

03-30-2004, 10:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
loosehead Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 1,107	Hey, another New Mexican... If you really want to run 315's, the check out what sschaefer had to do . The other thing I was wondering, aren't H2 take-offs 315/75/17 ? You would (obviously) need new wheels to run these. If you want to clear 33" (285's) then you need 2 inches of suspension lift in the front and a little trimming, and 2.5" in the rear or a 1" bodylift and 2" suspension lift. There are a few of us NM guys around who could probably help you with the install. In fact, one member here, SteveO did have some used lift gear for sale...DOn't know what he still has, though. __________________ Jayson 1998 4Runner SR5 4WD V-6, auto, E-locker

03-30-2004, 10:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
loosehead Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 1,107	[quote=Hyperlite]Actually the 315s are 12.5s and they will fit stock rims. You do have to be concerned with poping the rim off the bead and run low pressure so it doesn't wear to much in the middle. Beadlocks like Bruce's are a good idea when running 35s QUOTE] Keep in mind that when Bruce had the beadlocks added, the wheels actually become 8" wide. __________________ Jayson 1998 4Runner SR5 4WD V-6, auto, E-locker

03-30-2004, 11:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jonathan Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 1,743	Yeah it's possible to run the 315's on stock rims, but airing down would be a little hazardous, seeing you will probably pop the rim off the bead. Personally I wouldn't even try it, but it's your truck not mine. I would at least upgrade to a 16x8" rim if you're going to do that. __________________ 1996 Black 4Runner V6 5 speed 4X4\| Retrofitted E-Locker\| SAW's\| LC coils and Doetschtech shocks\| ATS arms \| 285 Goodyear MTR's\|TJM T-15 With Warn M8000\|Retrofitted Toyota Hood Scoop\| Stubbs Sliders\|Bushwacker Extend-A-Fender Flares\| Extended rear diff breather\| Uniden 510XL CB w/ 4 Ft. Firestik II Antenna\|Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler\|Black headlights and corners\| More to come... 2007 VW GTI 6 Speed

03-30-2004, 09:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
SQRLNTS Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 36	Thanks for the input guys. loosehead, I will try to pm StevO about the parts. So basically it sounds like 305's with spacers, body lift and trimming. I will keep the board posted of progress made. Thanks again __________________ 1998 4Runner 4x4 Limited

03-30-2004, 10:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
fourunnabilly Guest Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Last stop on the westcoast line Posts: 737	I suppose this info is both relevant and irrelevant to this scenario. For what its worth, I am running H2 take offs under my 4th gen. They are 315/70R17's. I have them mounted on a 17" wheel that is 8.5" wide. Height/diameter wise, they are a solid 35". Tread width is a little narrower than a 12.5" tire, but not by much...about 12.25". I have 4" of suspension lift thru custom spacers and coils, and uniball upper control arms. I have trimmed the front bumper, removed the mud flaps, removed a bit of the inner fender, pounded the pinch weld, and trimmed other various parts of the fender. Though I no longer rub my control arms or spindles, I still do experience minimal tire rubbing against the frame at a full turn. I have wheeled the runner quite a bit and had no probs, but it is a very very tight fit. I have been contemplating a 1-2" body lift for some time, but have concluded that because the front and rear bumpers on the 4th gens are so intgrated into the rest of the body that it just isnt worth it to me at this point. In my opinion, you are going to need a good 5+ inches of lift to clear the 315's with absolutely no rubbing. The H2 take-offs are extremely affordable and available right now, so it is a hard situation to ignore. I say stick with the 305's or 33's...they will look great and be a lot easier to fit in the fender...I'm just one of those idiots that never knows when to quit...if I add the 2" body lift, I am sure I would try to cram some 37's under my rig. Good luck. Billy Last edited by fourunnabilly; 03-30-2004 at 10:27 PM.

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