brush guards

calrockx · 10-31-2002, 07:57 PM

so i'm thinking about getting some brushguards for my 4runner. for the front (grille and headlights) and rear (taillights). i've read around, and it seems manik and waag seem to be the popular ones. but i'm still not sure on a couple things...

1) do they really do all they say? like offer real protection off road?

2) i heard they make things worse if you get in an accident? i guess this means an on road accident. true?

3) i have the factory skid plate on my 4runner. will any brushguard fit with this?

4) any suggestions on which brand is the best? or where to shop for the best prices?

i know something like the ARB bumper would be the ultimate in protection, but i'm not too into that; i'm not that hardcore of an offroader (plus it's too much cost for this college kid). i'd say i stick to the the light-moderate stuff. maybe down the line i'll want that, but not now that's for sure. i might also get the extra lights in front with the grill guard but who knows. thanks for the advice.

Beowulf · 10-31-2002, 09:50 PM

A brush gaurd is almost purely cosmetic ... although it may help save a shopping cart from denting your bumper at the mall, but that is about it.

In an accident it would be safer to have NO brushgaurd on your vehicle than to have it. I have seen pictures of accidents with and without and most times there is not only damage from the accident itself but extensive damage from the brushgaurd banging up the vehicle.

Like Darren said it will take away from your departure angle when offroading as well.

I would suggest doing a search on it, I think you will find most people are against them. I would also recommend going with a real functional BullBar like ARB and TJM (TJM is my preference due to ease of installation when compared to ARB). However with either one you will have a much more capable set up than a brushgaurd.

The factory Aluminum skid plate is also cosmetic (although I think it looks pretty cool

) But I would take it off if I was going to go wheeling. No, I don't know for sure if it will work with a brushgaurd but it seems like it can be done.

Cheers

BTOWN4RUNNER · 11-01-2002, 06:59 AM

I have a Manik. I got it for cosmetics and to hold my PIAA 520s. That is it. I had a factory toyota one on before and was hit in the front corner. It did help the crash. A jeep cherokee hit me and the grille guard (headlight cover part) stopped the jeep from causing internal injuries (to the 4Runner, not me). In that case it helped, but front on, I don't think that it would. I know for a fact that if you get hit in the front hard enough, nothing, not even an ARB or TJM will help. You will get messed up either way. I have see it happen. I know that the ARB style does help in smaller accidents, but not the big ones.

If you get a Manik style grille guard, there is no way you can get a winch on it. #1, it is not big and there are no mounts. #2, if you use the winch, you will rip the grille guard right off the Runner no sweat. The grille guard is mounted directly to the frame and the skid plate, being factory, will not interfer in anyway. Check it out. I like my grille guard, but I don't offroad. :fireman:

JSB · 11-01-2002, 07:47 PM

I had a Manik on my 96, and personally I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. Sure it looked cool, and it gave a place to mount my lights, but it caused my entire dash to shake like a $%$@ &$%#. I go over a RR track and it felt like my dang dash and front end was going to shake off. And yes it was mounted correctly, I actually took it back twice. They checked it twice, and basically said I'm going to have that. I never had a wreck with it, so I can't help there. Although I pushed some one with it. Hope that helps.

HBoss · 11-01-2002, 09:39 PM

Hmm..this is something I'm looking into next year so I'm glad you asked.

I haven't made my purchase yet, but if money is not a concern & usefullness is, I would go with an ARB or TJM.

1.) I don't think they'll offer you much protection.

2.) I think any collision with the front will cause quite a bit of damage, brush-guard or not. If your brush-guard was not denting in your 4Runner, the car running into you would anyway.

3.) As far as I know, any brush-guard that says 'bolt-on' will fit with your existing factory skid plate.

4.) No valuable opinion.

As a follow-up question to those who know, do ARB/TJM bumper replacements all need to be welded on?

Al

XtremeOff-Road · 11-01-2002, 10:43 PM

The TJM will bolt right on...the ARB will require some cutting of the frame rails, however, from my understanding nothing too drastic. Personally, I ordered an ARB Sahara Bar, after the third month of waiting for it I cancelled and got a TJM which I love.

Mike

ts1 · 11-02-2002, 12:33 AM

Since I am getting an ARB next week and if you are still in the market for the Manik, I will sell it to you for $150. Shipping extra. Let me know.

joshik · 11-02-2002, 12:38 AM

wats a manik? $150?

HBoss · 11-02-2002, 07:32 AM

Manik for $150 seems like a great deal.

Thx for the info people, I think I'll end up going with TJM myself. I like the look & durability, now that I know it's bolt-on. With the fogs, like on Phong's 4Runner, it looks awesome.

Citykid · 11-02-2002, 07:42 AM

Okay, here's some ignorance for you. I see a lot of police cars with what could be called a brush guard. It's really a really big bummper system. You guys know what I am talking about. Anyway, why can that work but the brush guards we get won't? Is there any way to weld a brush guard on so if you hit somthing it actually works?

HBoss · 11-02-2002, 07:49 AM

The police car ones are generally more heavy duty, like an ARB or TJM bumper versus a brush-guard. Plus, they have the budget for repairs of any kind, unlike some of us.

Seriously though, the brush-guard will work to protect you a bit of course. However it's not the defence piece of choice for heavy duty batter-ramming and collisions hehe.

10-31-2002, 07:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
calrockx Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 4,746	brush guards so i'm thinking about getting some brushguards for my 4runner. for the front (grille and headlights) and rear (taillights). i've read around, and it seems manik and waag seem to be the popular ones. but i'm still not sure on a couple things... 1) do they really do all they say? like offer real protection off road? 2) i heard they make things worse if you get in an accident? i guess this means an on road accident. true? 3) i have the factory skid plate on my 4runner. will any brushguard fit with this? 4) any suggestions on which brand is the best? or where to shop for the best prices? i know something like the ARB bumper would be the ultimate in protection, but i'm not too into that; i'm not that hardcore of an offroader (plus it's too much cost for this college kid). i'd say i stick to the the light-moderate stuff. maybe down the line i'll want that, but not now that's for sure. i might also get the extra lights in front with the grill guard but who knows. thanks for the advice. __________________ [2002 4Runner 4WD]

10-31-2002, 09:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Beowulf Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 470	A brush gaurd is almost purely cosmetic ... although it may help save a shopping cart from denting your bumper at the mall, but that is about it. In an accident it would be safer to have NO brushgaurd on your vehicle than to have it. I have seen pictures of accidents with and without and most times there is not only damage from the accident itself but extensive damage from the brushgaurd banging up the vehicle. Like Darren said it will take away from your departure angle when offroading as well. I would suggest doing a search on it, I think you will find most people are against them. I would also recommend going with a real functional BullBar like ARB and TJM (TJM is my preference due to ease of installation when compared to ARB). However with either one you will have a much more capable set up than a brushgaurd. The factory Aluminum skid plate is also cosmetic (although I think it looks pretty cool ) But I would take it off if I was going to go wheeling. No, I don't know for sure if it will work with a brushgaurd but it seems like it can be done. Cheers __________________ Beowulf ... 2001 Sports Edition SR5 4WD 4Runner

11-01-2002, 06:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
BTOWN4RUNNER Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boyertown, Pa Posts: 1,853	I have a Manik. I got it for cosmetics and to hold my PIAA 520s. That is it. I had a factory toyota one on before and was hit in the front corner. It did help the crash. A jeep cherokee hit me and the grille guard (headlight cover part) stopped the jeep from causing internal injuries (to the 4Runner, not me). In that case it helped, but front on, I don't think that it would. I know for a fact that if you get hit in the front hard enough, nothing, not even an ARB or TJM will help. You will get messed up either way. I have see it happen. I know that the ARB style does help in smaller accidents, but not the big ones. If you get a Manik style grille guard, there is no way you can get a winch on it. #1, it is not big and there are no mounts. #2, if you use the winch, you will rip the grille guard right off the Runner no sweat. The grille guard is mounted directly to the frame and the skid plate, being factory, will not interfer in anyway. Check it out. I like my grille guard, but I don't offroad. :fireman: __________________ Ryan 2002 Toyota 4Runner Sport Edition Friendship Hook & Ladder Fire Co., Boyertown

11-01-2002, 09:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
HBoss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,879	Hmm..this is something I'm looking into next year so I'm glad you asked. I haven't made my purchase yet, but if money is not a concern & usefullness is, I would go with an ARB or TJM. 1.) I don't think they'll offer you much protection. 2.) I think any collision with the front will cause quite a bit of damage, brush-guard or not. If your brush-guard was not denting in your 4Runner, the car running into you would anyway. 3.) As far as I know, any brush-guard that says 'bolt-on' will fit with your existing factory skid plate. 4.) No valuable opinion. As a follow-up question to those who know, do ARB/TJM bumper replacements all need to be welded on? Al __________________ 1997 4Runner Ltd. Bilstein shocks, rear E-locker & riding on 32s. Mods Pics Tech articles, write-ups & more are available on my website. http://www.hboss.net/4runner

11-02-2002, 12:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
ts1 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 253	Since I am getting an ARB next week and if you are still in the market for the Manik, I will sell it to you for $150. Shipping extra. Let me know. __________________ 2000 SR5 4X4, 5-spd, Locker, SAW-OME Lift, ARB & Rockware Bumpers, SLEE-Sliders, Warn M8000 Winch, Magnaflow Muffler, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO

11-01-2002, 07:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
JSB Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 900	I had a Manik on my 96, and personally I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. Sure it looked cool, and it gave a place to mount my lights, but it caused my entire dash to shake like a $%$@ &$%#. I go over a RR track and it felt like my dang dash and front end was going to shake off. And yes it was mounted correctly, I actually took it back twice. They checked it twice, and basically said I'm going to have that. I never had a wreck with it, so I can't help there. Although I pushed some one with it. Hope that helps.

11-01-2002, 10:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
XtremeOff-Road Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 1,135	The TJM will bolt right on...the ARB will require some cutting of the frame rails, however, from my understanding nothing too drastic. Personally, I ordered an ARB Sahara Bar, after the third month of waiting for it I cancelled and got a TJM which I love. Mike

11-02-2002, 12:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
joshik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: bellflower Posts: 914	wats a manik? $150? __________________ 2003 4Runner Limited 4wd V8. Bone stock except for the Nitto All Terrains. My Rig 91 Ext Cab 4x4 Yota, black with 4" front IFS trailmaster lift, 3" Downey rear springs, Downey Rubicon extended shackles, and 2" body lift. 35" BFG M/T w/ 4.56. Centerforce II clutch, Rancho 5000s all around and Rancho traction bar, K&N Air filter, Flowmaster, ARB Rear Diff Air Locker, Custom "Mad Eyes" light covers, Extended Diff Breathers, Hella Vision Plus Headlights. My Rig

11-02-2002, 07:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
HBoss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,879	Manik for $150 seems like a great deal. Thx for the info people, I think I'll end up going with TJM myself. I like the look & durability, now that I know it's bolt-on. With the fogs, like on Phong's 4Runner, it looks awesome. __________________ 1997 4Runner Ltd. Bilstein shocks, rear E-locker & riding on 32s. Mods Pics Tech articles, write-ups & more are available on my website. http://www.hboss.net/4runner

11-02-2002, 07:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
Citykid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Suffolk County, NY Posts: 354	Okay, here's some ignorance for you. I see a lot of police cars with what could be called a brush guard. It's really a really big bummper system. You guys know what I am talking about. Anyway, why can that work but the brush guards we get won't? Is there any way to weld a brush guard on so if you hit somthing it actually works? __________________ 2001 4Runner SR5 4x4 Clear corners & bumpers Amsoil (all fluids) New Pioneer head unit Sirius Satelite Revos (265/75 16) WeatherTech visors Speedhut reverse indiglo gauges Husky floor mats Lots of junk & hidden things Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the night. Light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

11-02-2002, 07:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
HBoss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,879	The police car ones are generally more heavy duty, like an ARB or TJM bumper versus a brush-guard. Plus, they have the budget for repairs of any kind, unlike some of us. Seriously though, the brush-guard will work to protect you a bit of course. However it's not the defence piece of choice for heavy duty batter-ramming and collisions hehe. __________________ 1997 4Runner Ltd. Bilstein shocks, rear E-locker & riding on 32s. Mods Pics Tech articles, write-ups & more are available on my website. http://www.hboss.net/4runner

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