BFG's Tread seperation???

Joec500 · 12-10-2003, 09:28 AM

Well my friends little sister was driving a 2nd gen on the highway with BFG AT's that were about 1 year old. And the tread seperated causing her to swerve and hit the concrete barracade and flip. It was a pretty bad accident that actually scalped her and broke her neck. But she is fine luckily.

I was just wondering if anyone has heard of BFG's tread seperation. Her lawyer is actually working with two other people with BFG AT's tread seperation problem.

I just got set and it's making me a little scared. I just wanted to get some input from you guys.

Joe

Ric · 12-10-2003, 09:40 AM

im glad she is going to ok, i havent heard anything like that, but glad shes ok.

AznSky · 12-10-2003, 09:43 AM

hmmm....the a/t's used to be known to have a pretty crappy sidewall, but they fixed that problem with the new a/t KO.

Was her's a KO? And I haven't heard anything about tread seperating. Strange.

Joec500 · 12-10-2003, 09:47 AM

she bought them less than a year ago. So aren't they all KO for the last year? I am not sure.....But regardless this shouldn't happen on regular highway driving. Looks like this might just be a couple in million incidents....

Joe

FirstToy · 12-10-2003, 09:58 AM

damn that's scary.

Keep us updated on what happens. I'm glad your friend came out of it ok!!

Mikey · 12-10-2003, 03:52 PM

I never heard of anything either. I had them and loved them.

Cebby · 12-10-2003, 04:31 PM

I've put over 95K miles on BFG AT's. One set of "regular", one set of KO's. No problems at all.

Hyperlite · 12-10-2003, 05:07 PM

Sorry to hear about car crashes, don't know much about the A/Ts.

PistonSlap · 12-11-2003, 06:24 AM

Had the tire ever been repaired? If so, she is most likely SOL. Tread separations can happen with any tire particularly ones that have been repaired or have been driven low on air. The reason tires separate is that steel and rubber do not stick to well together.

Babypig · 12-11-2003, 06:47 AM

A few people up here in Vancouver have had that problem. There is a thread posted on www.BC4x4.com about this very thing. It factored into my thinking when i bought my Revo's yesterday.

Highland Runner · 12-11-2003, 07:09 AM

Glad she's OK. I've had 2 sets of regular and 2 sets KO's with zero problems. These all saw a lot of off roading. I ran them all untill they were almost bald. Now my friend had a set of tires (not BFG T/A's) that seperated. The place he bought them had sold him new tires that were actually retreads. They seperated and torn his fenders all to crap. Some tire shops are pretty shady. Ive just had new tires put on and 2 had 20lbs and 2 had 50 lbs pressure. This will heat up the tires and cause seperation. I always figured either the people doing the work were stupid or they figured you wouldn't check pressure and this would cause the tires to were out quickly. Then they can charge you for new tires.

phosho · 12-11-2003, 08:18 AM

Sketchy, but I'm glad to hear she is OK. It always make me nervous when I see rolled 4x's. Always a increased number in foul weather. Last thurs here in the mid atlantic I passed a 4runner sitting on its roof on the side of the road during our little early season snow drill. I think the soccer moms feel 4 wheel drive is like having a majic carpet. I still slowed it down a knotch or two after seeing that. Back to the topic, it was recommended to me whem getting my bfg's long trails to only rotate the tire front to rear as if the were directional tires to minimize the possibility of tread seperation. This was from merchants tire co. which is not a fly by night tire shop but wether there was any basis for this recomendation or the installer was a old school cat who was still giving 1970's advice or not I dont know. It seems that it used to be the case that all tires were rotated to maintain the same direction but with modern techniques and manufactoring the tire companys claim this is no longer the issue. I rotate my own and because I dont have a Hydrylic lift at home its easier to jack one side of the truck at a time for front to rear rotation instead of having to have all 4 wheels suspended for the Toyota recomended criss cross rotation. I suppose it could be done with jack stands in the front and the jack in the rear?

Highland Runner · 12-11-2003, 09:00 AM

phosho, That is how I do mine. I jack up the front and put jack stands under. Then I jack the back up under the diff. All four can be rotated at once. I do the cross tire from front to back. It helps with the angled edges from the front tires turning. They get run backwards which flatens them down. I know KO's can be run either way as with most tires nowadays.

12-10-2003, 09:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
Joec500 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Palo Alto CA Posts: 115	BFG's Tread seperation??? Well my friends little sister was driving a 2nd gen on the highway with BFG AT's that were about 1 year old. And the tread seperated causing her to swerve and hit the concrete barracade and flip. It was a pretty bad accident that actually scalped her and broke her neck. But she is fine luckily. I was just wondering if anyone has heard of BFG's tread seperation. Her lawyer is actually working with two other people with BFG AT's tread seperation problem. I just got set and it's making me a little scared. I just wanted to get some input from you guys. Joe __________________ 96 Black Limited REAL HID's Full MultiMedia Setup

12-10-2003, 09:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ric Banned - User requested Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: earth Posts: 4,526	re im glad she is going to ok, i havent heard anything like that, but glad shes ok.

12-10-2003, 09:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
AznSky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 2,799	hmmm....the a/t's used to be known to have a pretty crappy sidewall, but they fixed that problem with the new a/t KO. Was her's a KO? And I haven't heard anything about tread seperating. Strange. __________________ Rob

12-10-2003, 09:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Joec500 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Palo Alto CA Posts: 115	she bought them less than a year ago. So aren't they all KO for the last year? I am not sure.....But regardless this shouldn't happen on regular highway driving. Looks like this might just be a couple in million incidents.... Joe __________________ 96 Black Limited REAL HID's Full MultiMedia Setup

12-10-2003, 03:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mikey Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indiana, PA Posts: 234	I never heard of anything either. I had them and loved them. __________________ 1998 Tacoma SR5 4x4 Extended Cab K&N Filter, Deckplate mod......that's it until I get a raise! Just added...Bilstein shocks and TRD Springs....Still waiting for a raise!

12-10-2003, 04:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cebby Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,270	I've put over 95K miles on BFG AT's. One set of "regular", one set of KO's. No problems at all. __________________ UZswap.com A site dedicated to sharing info for swapping the Toyota/ Lexus UZ (V8) engines into Toyota Trucks and 4Runners. My 4Runner 1993 4Runner, 1UZ (V8) auto dual ultimate crawler, double locked, 35's on beadlocked SR5 alloys, low lift, hacked fenders, tubbed firewall, custom armor TOOLandFAB.com A discussion forum dedicated to tools, fabrication & workshops. See my JD2 Bender Hydro Conversion BUY THIS 2008 CALENDAR

12-10-2003, 05:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hyperlite Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mooresville (Lake Norman) NC Posts: 1,015	Sorry to hear about car crashes, don't know much about the A/Ts. __________________ 97 4Runner Limited front Fox 16" Coilovers 98 BMW M Roadster "instant donuts, instant joy" 69 Bronco Half Cab 88 4Runner http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i...view=slideshow Last edited by Hyperlite : 12-11-2003 at 09:09 AM.

12-11-2003, 06:24 AM	#9 (permalink)
PistonSlap Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 164	Had the tire ever been repaired? If so, she is most likely SOL. Tread separations can happen with any tire particularly ones that have been repaired or have been driven low on air. The reason tires separate is that steel and rubber do not stick to well together.

12-11-2003, 06:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Babypig Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,091	A few people up here in Vancouver have had that problem. There is a thread posted on www.BC4x4.com about this very thing. It factored into my thinking when i bought my Revo's yesterday. __________________ Ironpig2 is a 1990 4runner SR5 95 3.0V6, ARB front bumper, Hella H4 conversion, Hayden Trans cooler, Aisin manual hubs, Drilled headlight bezel, Clinometer, Altimiter, Assorted Camera mounts, JVC double din head unit, Hilux Surf emblems, Bridgestone Revo's, OME 901's , N72f's "Stay calm, Be brave, Wait for the signs."

12-11-2003, 07:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
Highland Runner Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highlands, NC Posts: 682	Glad she's OK. I've had 2 sets of regular and 2 sets KO's with zero problems. These all saw a lot of off roading. I ran them all untill they were almost bald. Now my friend had a set of tires (not BFG T/A's) that seperated. The place he bought them had sold him new tires that were actually retreads. They seperated and torn his fenders all to crap. Some tire shops are pretty shady. Ive just had new tires put on and 2 had 20lbs and 2 had 50 lbs pressure. This will heat up the tires and cause seperation. I always figured either the people doing the work were stupid or they figured you wouldn't check pressure and this would cause the tires to were out quickly. Then they can charge you for new tires. __________________ Chris Mine-94 SR5 4-Runner, 3.0, 4X4, Aisin Hubs, Yakima Load Warrior, 210k Miles \| Wifes-99 Limited

12-11-2003, 08:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
phosho Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Central Virginia (BFE) Posts: 160	Rotation? Sketchy, but I'm glad to hear she is OK. It always make me nervous when I see rolled 4x's. Always a increased number in foul weather. Last thurs here in the mid atlantic I passed a 4runner sitting on its roof on the side of the road during our little early season snow drill. I think the soccer moms feel 4 wheel drive is like having a majic carpet. I still slowed it down a knotch or two after seeing that. Back to the topic, it was recommended to me whem getting my bfg's long trails to only rotate the tire front to rear as if the were directional tires to minimize the possibility of tread seperation. This was from merchants tire co. which is not a fly by night tire shop but wether there was any basis for this recomendation or the installer was a old school cat who was still giving 1970's advice or not I dont know. It seems that it used to be the case that all tires were rotated to maintain the same direction but with modern techniques and manufactoring the tire companys claim this is no longer the issue. I rotate my own and because I dont have a Hydrylic lift at home its easier to jack one side of the truck at a time for front to rear rotation instead of having to have all 4 wheels suspended for the Toyota recomended criss cross rotation. I suppose it could be done with jack stands in the front and the jack in the rear? __________________ 96' 4Runner Limited 4x4 01' Corolla S Former "Toys" 92' Pickup 4x4 Xtra cab V6 98' Corolla LE 81' Celica GT

12-11-2003, 09:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
Highland Runner Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highlands, NC Posts: 682	phosho, That is how I do mine. I jack up the front and put jack stands under. Then I jack the back up under the diff. All four can be rotated at once. I do the cross tire from front to back. It helps with the angled edges from the front tires turning. They get run backwards which flatens them down. I know KO's can be run either way as with most tires nowadays. __________________ Chris Mine-94 SR5 4-Runner, 3.0, 4X4, Aisin Hubs, Yakima Load Warrior, 210k Miles \| Wifes-99 Limited

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