Automatic Transmisison Maintenance? - Page 3

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mt_goat

I think there is no telling what was in it at 80K miles when you bought it. I think the tranny flush is part if the 15K and 30K mile service. Those services are usually done with a new vehicle to keep the warranty intact, usually at a dealer but that doesn't mean they used T-IV (see this thread: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...d.php?t=96002).

My 2002 Tacoma owners manual says Dexron II or III but it could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a wrong spec in a Toyota printed manual.

GOAT, a lot of yota dealerships do not flush period.. they just drain and fill. i dont have a toyota dealership within hundreds of miles of me that will do a "flush"... this is why i opt for frequent drain and fills. esp ifyou offroad, heavy on the pedal or hard city driving bc DEXIII is crap for an atf. TIV isnt that great either though it is leaps over DEXIII.

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mt_goat · 03-12-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mkgarrison5

GOAT, a lot of yota dealerships do not flush period.. they just drain and fill. i dont have a toyota dealership within hundreds of miles of me that will do a "flush"... this is why i opt for frequent drain and fills. esp ifyou offroad, heavy on the pedal or hard city driving bc DEXIII is crap for an atf. TIV isnt that great either though it is leaps over DEXIII.

I've had a couple of flushes done at dealers, this guy has too:
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...ad.php?t=96002)

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 05:55 AM

is mobile 1 full synthetic?

mt_goat · 03-12-2008, 06:08 AM

I got a PM from someone telling me that the Toyota techs say to never replace the ATF filter. I know, I've had to argue with the parts guys to get them to order one for me before. So just for the record, I'm not saying that everyone needs to go out and replace them. The subject was brought up by someone as to cleaning one, and I just said they really can't be cleaned effectively and to just replace it instead of trying to clean it.

The first time I changed one it was hardly dirty at all at 100,000 miles. I went ahead and changed it since I'd already bought the filter and had the pan off.

The 2nd time I changed one I was doing a VB upgrade at about 27,000 miles and had the pan off for that. So I went ahead and changed it while I had the pan off. It's a real PITA to get the pan off and I didn't want to have to take it off again for a long time.

Based on my limited experence with these filters, they really don't get very dirty, but both of my trannies were in great condition and had regular maintenance. I'd say that the filter can easily go 100,000 miles without a problem, maybe even 200,000 miles. In fact cleaning the magnets is probably more important than changing the filter IMHO. I edited my previous post to make that a little clearer.

edzo · 03-12-2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mt_goat

I got a PM from someone telling me that the Toyota techs say to never replace the ATF filter. I know, I've had to argue with the parts guys to get them to order one for me before. So just for the record, I'm not saying that everyone needs to go out and replace them. The subject was brought up by someone as to how to clean one, and I just said they really can't be cleaned effectively and to just replace it instead of trying to clean it.

The first time I changed one it was hardly dirty at all at 100,000 miles. I went ahead and changed it since I'd already bought the filter and had the pan off.

The 2nd time I changed one I was doing a VB upgrade at about 27,000 miles and had the pan off for that. So I went ahead and changed it while I had the pan off. It's a real PITA to get the pan off and I didn't want to have to take it off again for a long time.

Based on my limited experence with these filters, they really don't get very dirty, but both of my trannies were in great condition and had regular maintenance. I'd say that the filter can easily go 100,000 miles without a problem, maybe even 200,000 miles. In fact cleaning the magnets is probably more important than changing the filter IMHO. I edited my previous post to make that a little clearer.

I always go to the dealer and have the thing powerflushed. they force 15 liters in and suck 15 liters out. master technician says this is all that needs to be done normally, if done when the manual says to do it.

Quattro15 · 03-12-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mkgarrison5

GOAT, his is dexIII also... TIV wasnt used until 2003.. now exculsevly for 2004's and up..

Quatro- do not use TIV, yours is spec'd for DEXIII.. call the yota place and double check but i am 99% sure i am right.. so this means you have a few good options. M1, amsoil and redline... you can mix those up actually,(not that i would) they are compatable.

Ah....should I buy DEXIII from the dealership or just get M1, Amsoil, or Redline?

Thanks!

mt_goat · 03-12-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mkgarrison5

trdparts4u.com wants $35 for their tranny screen.. i thought i read somewhere where they charge 27$ for it??

Try here Mike:
https://www.1sttoyotaparts.com/partscat.html

I was just going from memory on that price (IIRC), so don't quote me on it.

mt_goat · 03-12-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

Ah....should I buy DEXIII from the dealership or just get M1, Amsoil, or Redline?

Thanks!

I'd lean towards that myself, especailly if you're just doing a drain and refill. Some have speculated that the DexII or III may not be compatable with T-IV. But I don't know.

Quattro15 · 03-12-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mt_goat

I'd lean towards that myself, especailly if you're just doing a drain and refill. Some have speculated that the DexII or III may not be compatable with T-IV. But I don't know.

From the dealership or M1, Amsoil, Redline though Goat??

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mt_goat

I'd lean towards that myself, especailly if you're just doing a drain and refill. Some have speculated that the DexII or III may not be compatable with T-IV. But I don't know.

they arent technically compatable but i have read where someone mixed it to no ill affects but its bad practice as we all know.

Quatro your truck specs DEXIII-- so go out and find some M1, amsoil universal atf, or redline and use those.. those are the best DEXIII's on the market now. you cannot get those at a dealership...so call around your local auto parts stores and go from there.. always read the bottles of atf to make sure its approved for DEXIII and roll with it. the above atf's are synthetics. if you do not want to pay that price Valvoline maxlife makes a good dexIII fluid. its like 3.50$ per qt at walmart.. i have used that myself till i switched to a synthetic after reading more about dexIII's.. the key is with dexIII (non synthetics) is that you NEED to drain and fill it frequently (10-15k miles) or every 3rd oil change bc dexIII shears and goes to crud quicker than the synthetics.

most of your questions should be answered by now

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 08:07 AM

quattro, if your dropping the pan you might as well as update the magnets in there as well to these much stronger ones....they can withstand high heat

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...=D82SH&cat=167

97ltd4x4 · 03-12-2008, 08:16 AM

When I installed my trans oil cooler,I desided to also do a flush on the trans fluid and replace it with Toyota T-IV.I installed the cooler and once I had the lines off that go to the radiator I droped them into a 5 gallon bucket.Removed the drain plug from pan,let fluid drain,filled through the dipstick about 3 quarts.I then started the engine and watched about 2 quarts drain out of one of the lines,shut engine off(I removed the lines to determine the flow,one is output to rad.,other is return)I wanted to make sure that the output flow line was going to be connected to the bottom of the cooler...I then filled through the dipstick 2 more quarts.I continued doing this untill the fluid came out of the line clean(I think I ran 12 or s quarts through it,I had some old T-IV,when it would only come in those big white 4 liter tins)...hooked up the one line to the radiator,then through the new cooler,then to the trans.Started engine,put about one more quart in trans...Drove vehical for several miles,took about another half quart to finish it off.

I did this exact flush procedure to a friends 97 landcruiser with 221k miles!,He didn't want to spend $ on the T-IV,so we used Dex-III.Its been about a year now and he says the trans still feels like new to him.

I switched to T-IV,because I travel and I wanted a higher service interval on the fluid change.I can feel a differance after the T-IV,the trans seems a bit crisper.

Oh,one other thing I did not remove the pan and mess with the screen filter,Its only a fine mesh screen.The chances of it getting clogged to the point that it impeeds flow,and need to be replaced=smoked trans.I know I will probably get flamed for saying that,but I would love to hear how changing one has ever helped a TOYOTA trans.I know lots of Toyota master techs(I used to be one) and I have never ever seen it,along with all the 20 or so techs I know.

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 08:29 AM

97ltd4x4, my screen was so clogged i couldn't get past 2nd gear, i've got a thread with pics about this from last year

97ltd4x4 · 03-12-2008, 08:41 AM

Wow,I have never seen or heard of that,Was it a Factory toyota screen?What was it clogged with?Clutch material?Was the pan ever removed before and resealed?

I'll do a search.

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

97ltd4x4, my screen was so clogged i couldn't get past 2nd gear, i've got a thread with pics about this from last year

whats the info on your truck? mileage, hardcore offroading?? give us more info on that.. also the link would be nice too.. i have never heard of a screen clogging up that bad..

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mkgarrison5

whats the info on your truck? mileage, hardcore offroading?? give us more info on that.. also the link would be nice too.. i have never heard of a screen clogging up that bad..

lol, you were one of the first to reply in that thread, here it is

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/removing-...stions-106605/

at that time i prolly had about 130k miles, very light offroading, mostly flat terrain/trails

97ltd4x4 · 03-12-2008, 08:58 AM

That's one of the worst pans I have seen.Looks like there was no matience done with that fluid,And vehical used for towing or something like that.It takes a long time of abusing a vehical to sludge coat a trans pan...You got to it just in time.I bet the fluid was nasty,or it was brand new to cover up the abuse before you bought it?

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

lol, you were one of the first to reply in that thread, here it is

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/removing-...stions-106605/

at that time i prolly had about 130k miles, very light offroading, mostly flat terrain/trails

haha i remember now sorry man... yeah that looked like sheeit..

how does she drive now?? also what kind of atf did you put in?

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 97ltd4x4

That's one of the worst pans I have seen.Looks like there was no matience done with that fluid,And vehical used for towing or something like that.It takes a long time of abusing a vehical to sludge coat a trans pan...You got to it just in time.I bet the fluid was nasty,or it was brand new to cover up the abuse before you bought it?

I had a powerflush at 100k, they guy doing it said the fluid was in bad shape, i guess the previous owner didn't do any maintenance whatsoever

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

I had a powerflush at 100k, they guy doing it said the fluid was in bad shape, i guess the previous owner didn't do any maintenance whatsoever

what kind of atf did you put in it??

Quattro15 · 03-12-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

quattro, if your dropping the pan you might as well as update the magnets in there as well to these much stronger ones....they can withstand high heat

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...=D82SH&cat=167

How many magnets go in the pan?? 6?

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mkgarrison5

what kind of atf did you put in it??

I didn't get the brand name when I had it powerflushed, i should have checked. It was definitely dex III tho.

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

I didn't get the brand name when I had it powerflushed, i should have checked. It was definitely dex III tho.

if you want to keep that atf in good shape bc dexIII is bad about shearing and going to crap quite soon then do 10-15k mile drain and fills.. personally i would be switching to a synthetic dexIII, bc it holds up much much better than its dino counter parts

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

How many magnets go in the pan?? 6?

click on mason's other link and it shows how many.. i think its 4 but double check

Mason Dixon · 03-12-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

How many magnets go in the pan?? 6?

I count 4. I can't remember if the plug is magnetized as well. You may want to look into one of those as well.

03-12-2008, 05:55 AM	#53 (permalink)
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mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	I got a PM from someone telling me that the Toyota techs say to never replace the ATF filter. I know, I've had to argue with the parts guys to get them to order one for me before. So just for the record, I'm not saying that everyone needs to go out and replace them. The subject was brought up by someone as to cleaning one, and I just said they really can't be cleaned effectively and to just replace it instead of trying to clean it. The first time I changed one it was hardly dirty at all at 100,000 miles. I went ahead and changed it since I'd already bought the filter and had the pan off. The 2nd time I changed one I was doing a VB upgrade at about 27,000 miles and had the pan off for that. So I went ahead and changed it while I had the pan off. It's a real PITA to get the pan off and I didn't want to have to take it off again for a long time. Based on my limited experence with these filters, they really don't get very dirty, but both of my trannies were in great condition and had regular maintenance. I'd say that the filter can easily go 100,000 miles without a problem, maybe even 200,000 miles. In fact cleaning the magnets is probably more important than changing the filter IMHO. I edited my previous post to make that a little clearer. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 03-12-2008 at 06:15 AM.

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Mason Dixon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 797	quattro, if your dropping the pan you might as well as update the magnets in there as well to these much stronger ones....they can withstand high heat http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...=D82SH&cat=167 __________________ http://www.sectalk.com/images/graphi...ds/alabama.gif 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Sport

03-12-2008, 08:16 AM	#62 (permalink)
97ltd4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 434	When I installed my trans oil cooler,I desided to also do a flush on the trans fluid and replace it with Toyota T-IV.I installed the cooler and once I had the lines off that go to the radiator I droped them into a 5 gallon bucket.Removed the drain plug from pan,let fluid drain,filled through the dipstick about 3 quarts.I then started the engine and watched about 2 quarts drain out of one of the lines,shut engine off(I removed the lines to determine the flow,one is output to rad.,other is return)I wanted to make sure that the output flow line was going to be connected to the bottom of the cooler...I then filled through the dipstick 2 more quarts.I continued doing this untill the fluid came out of the line clean(I think I ran 12 or s quarts through it,I had some old T-IV,when it would only come in those big white 4 liter tins)...hooked up the one line to the radiator,then through the new cooler,then to the trans.Started engine,put about one more quart in trans...Drove vehical for several miles,took about another half quart to finish it off. I did this exact flush procedure to a friends 97 landcruiser with 221k miles!,He didn't want to spend $ on the T-IV,so we used Dex-III.Its been about a year now and he says the trans still feels like new to him. I switched to T-IV,because I travel and I wanted a higher service interval on the fluid change.I can feel a differance after the T-IV,the trans seems a bit crisper. Oh,one other thing I did not remove the pan and mess with the screen filter,Its only a fine mesh screen.The chances of it getting clogged to the point that it impeeds flow,and need to be replaced=smoked trans.I know I will probably get flamed for saying that,but I would love to hear how changing one has ever helped a TOYOTA trans.I know lots of Toyota master techs(I used to be one) and I have never ever seen it,along with all the 20 or so techs I know. Last edited by 97ltd4x4; 03-12-2008 at 08:22 AM.

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Mason Dixon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 797	97ltd4x4, my screen was so clogged i couldn't get past 2nd gear, i've got a thread with pics about this from last year __________________ http://www.sectalk.com/images/graphi...ds/alabama.gif 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Sport

03-12-2008, 08:41 AM	#64 (permalink)
97ltd4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 434	Wow,I have never seen or heard of that,Was it a Factory toyota screen?What was it clogged with?Clutch material?Was the pan ever removed before and resealed? I'll do a search.

03-12-2008, 08:58 AM	#67 (permalink)
97ltd4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 434	That's one of the worst pans I have seen.Looks like there was no matience done with that fluid,And vehical used for towing or something like that.It takes a long time of abusing a vehical to sludge coat a trans pan...You got to it just in time.I bet the fluid was nasty,or it was brand new to cover up the abuse before you bought it?

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