Automatic Transmisison Maintenance? - Page 2

mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quattro15

Ok...so what I'm going to need is this....

1. A new filter(which will come with the necessary gaskets)
2. About 20qts of DEX III auto tranny oil from Amsoil, Redline, or Mobil 1
3. Some FIPG from the dealer....although on one of the walkthroughs it said that Permatex "Right Stuff" was better?
4. Two people to properly do a Coolant Line Flush?

Also....on the site that I was directed to by Mt Goat about the OEM Filter it seems like the filter is the same for all 4wd Tacomas from 97-99...is this true?
I ask this because there was only one filter listed for 4wd Tacos and those were the model years it covered.

Thanks!

you may not need the whole 20 but extra wouldnt hurt bc you will use it one way or another.

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mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quattro15

Mt Goat....

They only have the 1qt bottle though! I don't wanna buy 15 of those things...can't I get a jug of this stuff somewhere?

nope, quarts only.. expensive huh? lol its a bitch but it really should be done.. if you do the flush you will never have to do one again bc from there on after you can do very simple drain and fills every 15-20k miles with syn dexIII..

Quattro15 · 03-11-2008, 08:53 AM

So I can get a case of amsoil atf....which is 12 quarts for around 115 bucks and then it's 9 bucks a quart after that. so that'd be around 142 for 15 quarts. Is that a good deal. How much is the Mobil 1 ATF at wally world per quart?

mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quattro15

So I can get a case of amsoil atf....which is 12 quarts for around 115 bucks and then it's 9 bucks a quart after that. so that'd be around 142 for 15 quarts. Is that a good deal. How much is the Mobil 1 ATF at wally world per quart?

at walmart its around 6.50 and up if i am not mistaken but a lot of times they may not have the amount you want. so you will have to buy what they have and wait for another truck to come in and buy it up again.. its your call.. i do know that amsoil is better than M1 but M1 is a pretty good syn for dexIII atf.. again its your call... lucky me i have a mom and pop auto store around my place so i can drop in and get what i want without paying shipping. thats why i went with amsoil.. BUT if i didnt have that i would deff use M1

mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 09:27 AM

Goat a few simple questions for ya while we are on this subject

what do you clean the pan sealant residue off with?

after putting the sealant on the pan or where the pan goes and screw everything in, how long do you have to wait for the sealant to set up before you add atf via the dipstick hole?

mt_goat · 03-11-2008, 09:42 AM

I've never seen the Mobil 1 ATF in my local Walmart, and I've only seen it in quart sizes. Amsoil sells ATF in large sizes, I think you can even get a 55 gal drum hehe.

Cleaning up the old FIPG is time comsuming. I use a paint scraper to get the big stuff and those 3M buff pads (by hand) after that. Make sure you get it completely clean but don't scratch the surfaces, the aluminum tranny surface is of course softer and easier to scratch than the steel pan.

Make sure to keep dirt out of the tranny while the pan is off, ie like don't leave the pan off outside with the wind blowing up a dust storm.

Things as small as lint from a rag can cause problems with the solenoids so keep it clean.

It would be good to let it sit overnight before filling it back up with ATF, but I don't think its required.

mjwalfredo · 03-11-2008, 09:53 AM

I guess I don't recommend it now based on what Dale just said but I let my FIPG set for about 2hrs before I filled it up and took it for a drive. No problems so far.

mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 10:03 AM

thanks guys... i may try to tackle this one day before i do a total flush.. i guess i could do the flush without replacing the filter but sometime down the road it will need to be replaced due to shaving build up... i wonder why toyota decided not to ever replace it? hell my local dealers wont even tough it. they wont drop the pan unless asked to. they just drain and fill, oh they will check the flow rate or something like that for the tranny

Quattro15 · 03-11-2008, 11:47 AM

Also...how many quarts does the 1999 Toyota Tacoma automatic tranny hold? This is going to cost a wee bit more than I initially expected and I don't want to spend more money that I have to. I'd like to get the right amount of ATF so that I don't go too far overbudget.

Thanks!

mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 11:54 AM

it will hold between 12-16qts. so get 16 just in case.. remember what you dont use, you can always use again in a future drain and fill..

q

Man4God · 03-11-2008, 12:26 PM

Great thread. I am reasonably sure that my truck has never had a drain and flush and it has 140K on it. I am leery about having a flush done on it but doing a drain and fill with a filter replacement seems feasible. Do you think that I would be ok having it flushed with this many miles on it?

The transmission really shifts good so I am not worried about it but it is on the back of my mind, you know?

The other thing I was thinking was doing the valve body upgrade that is highlighted in the "Speedy's Supercharger" thread. I don't have a blower but I would think that clearing up the slop in the transmission couldn't hurt it in terms of reliability. Any thoughts on this for a normally aspirated truck?

mkgarrison5 · 03-11-2008, 12:46 PM

it wont hurt to flush, only when the fluid is burnt (brown) or has tiny flakes in it.. other than that do it.. use a good synthetic that way it will last longer (the atf i mean) esp if it is dexIII.. i am going to change the screen out just once or unless i keep mine past 200k miles

mt_goat · 03-11-2008, 01:09 PM

This was a good thread about the types of ATF:
http://www.yotatech.com/f2/what-oil-...-other-105153/

Quattro15 · 03-11-2008, 05:54 PM

So do I go to the dealership to get this Toyota T-IV fluid? It sounds like the way to go for sure.

It also states in that thread that you should not "powerflush" the fluid if it's been in your vehicle for more than 60k miles.

Does that mean I should leave my ATF alone? I don't think so, but I'm just asking to be sure.

Thanks

EDIT TO ADD: Nevermind about the powerflush....I'll only be doing a drain of all the ATF and a refill of new ATF so I'm in the clear. There will be no "powerflushing" going on in my case.

Quattro15 · 03-11-2008, 06:18 PM

Also...if this T-IV fluid is what I should run in my truck and my ATF has never been completely drained and filled to my knowledge does that mean I should just change the filter out and refill the little amount of ATF that comes out of the pan?

One would think that the fluid in my tranny would already be T-IV right? I bought the yota used with 80K miles on it from the dealership, I doubt it would have different fluid in it.

What do you all think?

mt_goat · 03-11-2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quattro15

Also...if this T-IV fluid is what I should run in my truck and my ATF has never been completely drained and filled to my knowledge does that mean I should just change the filter out and refill the little amount of ATF that comes out of the pan?

One would think that the fluid in my tranny would already be T-IV right? I bought the yota used with 80K miles on it from the dealership, I doubt it would have different fluid in it.

What do you all think?

I think there is no telling what was in it at 80K miles when you bought it. I think the tranny flush is part if the 15K and 30K mile service. Those services are usually done with a new vehicle to keep the warranty intact, usually at a dealer but that doesn't mean they used T-IV (see this thread: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...d.php?t=96002).

My 2002 Tacoma owners manual says Dexron II or III but it could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a wrong spec in a Toyota printed manual.

Quattro15 · 03-11-2008, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

I think there is no telling what was in it at 80K miles when you bought it. I think the tranny flush is part if the 15K and 30K mile service. Those services are usually done with a new vehicle to keep the warranty intact, usually at a dealer but that doesn't mean they used T-IV (see this thread: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...d.php?t=96002).

My 2002 Tacoma owners manual says Dexron II or III but it could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a wrong spec in a Toyota printed manual.

Good point....so T-IV it is. I'm probably going to dislike the stealership after I get the pricetag on this stuff!

Thanks for all the information and help on this subject though. You guys are going to make my Tacoma last forever!

Cxrazy · 03-11-2008, 09:21 PM

My car has 99k on it and I plan on changing the fluid in my tranny @100k

I very much doubt its ever been changed, so that rules out a flush, how would I go about changing all the fluid out?

Man4God · 03-11-2008, 09:57 PM

As far as I know, you can't change ALL the fluid out. Reason being is that the Torque Converter holds 2/3 or so of all the fluid at any one time. Unless you are willing to yank out the TC, it's not happening. That being said, doing a drain (of what is in the pan) and refill over a period of several thousand miles in between, should get enough of the old stuff out that you should be in the clear.

Cxrazy · 03-11-2008, 09:59 PM

alright, I'll do the drain and fill and if the fluid looks good I'll let it be for a few more k's

Thanks!

Mason Dixon · 03-11-2008, 10:30 PM

can u mix dino and syn atf?

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cxrazy

My car has 99k on it and I plan on changing the fluid in my tranny @100k

I very much doubt its ever been changed, so that rules out a flush, how would I go about changing all the fluid out?

just check the fluid. if it has tiny metal flakes in it then dont but if it doesnt, THEN DO THE FLUSH.. i have found that amsoil shifts very smooth, i like it..

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

can u mix dino and syn atf?

yes they are compatable.. just do not mix types of atf like, dexIII with TIV etc etc

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

I think there is no telling what was in it at 80K miles when you bought it. I think the tranny flush is part if the 15K and 30K mile service. Those services are usually done with a new vehicle to keep the warranty intact, usually at a dealer but that doesn't mean they used T-IV (see this thread: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...d.php?t=96002).

My 2002 Tacoma owners manual says Dexron II or III but it could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a wrong spec in a Toyota printed manual.

GOAT, his is dexIII also... TIV wasnt used until 2003.. now exculsevly for 2004's and up..

Quatro- do not use TIV, yours is spec'd for DEXIII.. call the yota place and double check but i am 99% sure i am right.. so this means you have a few good options. M1, amsoil and redline... you can mix those up actually,(not that i would) they are compatable.

mkgarrison5 · 03-12-2008, 05:11 AM

trdparts4u.com wants $35 for their tranny screen.. i thought i read somewhere where they charge 27$ for it??

03-11-2008, 09:27 AM	#30 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	Goat a few simple questions for ya while we are on this subject what do you clean the pan sealant residue off with? after putting the sealant on the pan or where the pan goes and screw everything in, how long do you have to wait for the sealant to set up before you add atf via the dipstick hole? __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

03-11-2008, 09:42 AM	#31 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	I've never seen the Mobil 1 ATF in my local Walmart, and I've only seen it in quart sizes. Amsoil sells ATF in large sizes, I think you can even get a 55 gal drum hehe. Cleaning up the old FIPG is time comsuming. I use a paint scraper to get the big stuff and those 3M buff pads (by hand) after that. Make sure you get it completely clean but don't scratch the surfaces, the aluminum tranny surface is of course softer and easier to scratch than the steel pan. Make sure to keep dirt out of the tranny while the pan is off, ie like don't leave the pan off outside with the wind blowing up a dust storm. Things as small as lint from a rag can cause problems with the solenoids so keep it clean. It would be good to let it sit overnight before filling it back up with ATF, but I don't think its required. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 03-11-2008 at 09:47 AM.

03-11-2008, 09:53 AM	#32 (permalink)
mjwalfredo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Blythewood, SC Posts: 621	I guess I don't recommend it now based on what Dale just said but I let my FIPG set for about 2hrs before I filled it up and took it for a drive. No problems so far. __________________ -Marcus 1997 4Runner Limited 4x4, E-Locker, Bilstein HDs, Air Springs, Deckplate Mod, 265/75/16R Bridgestone Deuler A/T Revo

03-11-2008, 10:03 AM	#33 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	thanks guys... i may try to tackle this one day before i do a total flush.. i guess i could do the flush without replacing the filter but sometime down the road it will need to be replaced due to shaving build up... i wonder why toyota decided not to ever replace it? hell my local dealers wont even tough it. they wont drop the pan unless asked to. they just drain and fill, oh they will check the flow rate or something like that for the tranny __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

03-11-2008, 11:54 AM	#35 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	it will hold between 12-16qts. so get 16 just in case.. remember what you dont use, you can always use again in a future drain and fill.. q __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

03-11-2008, 08:53 AM	#28 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	So I can get a case of amsoil atf....which is 12 quarts for around 115 bucks and then it's 9 bucks a quart after that. so that'd be around 142 for 15 quarts. Is that a good deal. How much is the Mobil 1 ATF at wally world per quart?

03-11-2008, 11:47 AM	#34 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Also...how many quarts does the 1999 Toyota Tacoma automatic tranny hold? This is going to cost a wee bit more than I initially expected and I don't want to spend more money that I have to. I'd like to get the right amount of ATF so that I don't go too far overbudget. Thanks!

03-11-2008, 12:26 PM	#36 (permalink)
Man4God Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 292	Great thread. I am reasonably sure that my truck has never had a drain and flush and it has 140K on it. I am leery about having a flush done on it but doing a drain and fill with a filter replacement seems feasible. Do you think that I would be ok having it flushed with this many miles on it? The transmission really shifts good so I am not worried about it but it is on the back of my mind, you know? The other thing I was thinking was doing the valve body upgrade that is highlighted in the "Speedy's Supercharger" thread. I don't have a blower but I would think that clearing up the slop in the transmission couldn't hurt it in terms of reliability. Any thoughts on this for a normally aspirated truck? __________________ '97 4Runner Limited 4x4 w/Locker Grey (Red & Blue) Wire Mod 2Lo Mod Tundra DC Non-TRD front with stock Tundra Tokicos (2.5") Downey 3" rear lift with Monroe Reflex Shocks (Thanks Chaplain!) Soldier for Christ.

03-11-2008, 12:46 PM	#37 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	it wont hurt to flush, only when the fluid is burnt (brown) or has tiny flakes in it.. other than that do it.. use a good synthetic that way it will last longer (the atf i mean) esp if it is dexIII.. i am going to change the screen out just once or unless i keep mine past 200k miles __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

03-11-2008, 01:09 PM	#38 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	This was a good thread about the types of ATF: http://www.yotatech.com/f2/what-oil-...-other-105153/ __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

03-11-2008, 05:54 PM	#39 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	So do I go to the dealership to get this Toyota T-IV fluid? It sounds like the way to go for sure. It also states in that thread that you should not "powerflush" the fluid if it's been in your vehicle for more than 60k miles. Does that mean I should leave my ATF alone? I don't think so, but I'm just asking to be sure. Thanks EDIT TO ADD: Nevermind about the powerflush....I'll only be doing a drain of all the ATF and a refill of new ATF so I'm in the clear. There will be no "powerflushing" going on in my case. Last edited by Quattro15; 03-11-2008 at 05:58 PM.

03-11-2008, 06:18 PM	#40 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Also...if this T-IV fluid is what I should run in my truck and my ATF has never been completely drained and filled to my knowledge does that mean I should just change the filter out and refill the little amount of ATF that comes out of the pan? One would think that the fluid in my tranny would already be T-IV right? I bought the yota used with 80K miles on it from the dealership, I doubt it would have different fluid in it. What do you all think?

03-11-2008, 09:57 PM	#44 (permalink)
Man4God Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 292	As far as I know, you can't change ALL the fluid out. Reason being is that the Torque Converter holds 2/3 or so of all the fluid at any one time. Unless you are willing to yank out the TC, it's not happening. That being said, doing a drain (of what is in the pan) and refill over a period of several thousand miles in between, should get enough of the old stuff out that you should be in the clear. __________________ '97 4Runner Limited 4x4 w/Locker Grey (Red & Blue) Wire Mod 2Lo Mod Tundra DC Non-TRD front with stock Tundra Tokicos (2.5") Downey 3" rear lift with Monroe Reflex Shocks (Thanks Chaplain!) Soldier for Christ.

03-11-2008, 10:30 PM	#46 (permalink)
Mason Dixon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 797	can u mix dino and syn atf? __________________ http://www.sectalk.com/images/graphi...ds/alabama.gif 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Sport

03-12-2008, 05:11 AM	#50 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	trdparts4u.com wants $35 for their tranny screen.. i thought i read somewhere where they charge 27$ for it?? __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

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