85' SFA question

t34418l3one · 01-07-2004, 03:39 PM

Im looking to get more flex out of my rig, and i was looking and is the traction bar really nessesary? i already took off the sway bar. Does it even serve a purpose w/o the sway bar? thanks

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flecker · 01-07-2004, 03:51 PM

could get some axle wrap out of it.... what springs are you running? lift?
Sweet runner too

toy283 · 01-07-2004, 03:54 PM

Lose it and go to crossover steering. The purpose of the thing is not to prevent axle wrap but to keep the steering linkage in line and prevent bumpsteer. Once a lift is installed, it's effects are virtually negated anyway.

joez · 01-07-2004, 06:01 PM

You dont need it. It was just typical over-enineering by Toyota. You will notice it sway a little when you are on the brakes hard if you still have stock steering, but other than that it wont have any negative effects.

flecker · 01-07-2004, 06:40 PM

Hey, are you refering to the traction bar/s or the torque rod???

toy283 · 01-07-2004, 06:54 PM

Never seen a traction bar on a Toy, at least never on a stocker. We are referring to the torque rod that runs from the front axle to the frame on the driver's side. It is designed to mirror the draglink in movement and prevent bump-steer.

flecker · 01-07-2004, 07:58 PM

I guess I be confused... keep the torque rod on unless you like steering all over the road when you brake, and yes it does help the axle maintain somewhat.
I think it's a little to unsafe to remove it... at least on my junk

toy283 · 01-07-2004, 08:24 PM

That's why I also said go crossover. The purpose for the torque rod goes in the dumpster with the old draglink.

flecker · 01-07-2004, 08:32 PM

Well, then sir I agree.

t34418l3one · 01-07-2004, 11:25 PM

i took it off and im fine, i forgot to mention i have dual steering stablizers, so my steering is still good.

toy283 · 01-07-2004, 11:43 PM

I got rid of both the sway bar and the torque rod years ago. A little more body roll but much better suspension travel and flex.

CTB · 01-08-2004, 01:03 PM

Would anyone mind explaining what exactly crossover steering is?

44Runner · 01-08-2004, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CTB
Would anyone mind explaining what exactly crossover steering is?

pitman arm moves left to right. drag link goes from the steering box on the drivers side to the knuckle on the passenger side. that is the basic cross over explaination...

*EDIT*

Here is my steering as it was going on minus the drag link, hopefully it will help. Drag link will run to the far end of the tie rod.

CTB · 01-08-2004, 02:04 PM

Cool, that helps a little, thanks.

01-07-2004, 03:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
flecker Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: White Mountains, Arizona (Yes it does snow in AZ) Posts: 505	could get some axle wrap out of it.... what springs are you running? lift? Sweet runner too __________________ Rigs: Way to many over the years to list. Current ones are- 1988 xtra cab, 84 beater.... more to come I am sure. If you can't dazzle em' with your brilliance... just baffle em' with your bull

01-07-2004, 03:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
toy283 Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver, CO, US Posts: 1,435	Lose it and go to crossover steering. The purpose of the thing is not to prevent axle wrap but to keep the steering linkage in line and prevent bumpsteer. Once a lift is installed, it's effects are virtually negated anyway. __________________ Dave Currently own no Toyotas :(

01-07-2004, 06:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
joez Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Elwood, Il Posts: 1,253	You dont need it. It was just typical over-enineering by Toyota. You will notice it sway a little when you are on the brakes hard if you still have stock steering, but other than that it wont have any negative effects. __________________ -Joe Z Chicago 4x4 My Webshots 1985 Toyota 4Runner, 3" Trail Gear rear/ All-Pro front springs, 42x14 IROK's, Allied Rockathons, spool rear/detroit front, 30 spline longs, Dual cases w/4.7, Marlin High steer, lots of other stuff.. 1997 Dodge 2500 4x4, 12valve CTD, not stock.

01-07-2004, 06:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
flecker Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: White Mountains, Arizona (Yes it does snow in AZ) Posts: 505	Hey, are you refering to the traction bar/s or the torque rod??? __________________ Rigs: Way to many over the years to list. Current ones are- 1988 xtra cab, 84 beater.... more to come I am sure. If you can't dazzle em' with your brilliance... just baffle em' with your bull

01-07-2004, 06:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
toy283 Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver, CO, US Posts: 1,435	Never seen a traction bar on a Toy, at least never on a stocker. We are referring to the torque rod that runs from the front axle to the frame on the driver's side. It is designed to mirror the draglink in movement and prevent bump-steer. __________________ Dave Currently own no Toyotas :(

01-07-2004, 07:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
flecker Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: White Mountains, Arizona (Yes it does snow in AZ) Posts: 505	I guess I be confused... keep the torque rod on unless you like steering all over the road when you brake, and yes it does help the axle maintain somewhat. I think it's a little to unsafe to remove it... at least on my junk __________________ Rigs: Way to many over the years to list. Current ones are- 1988 xtra cab, 84 beater.... more to come I am sure. If you can't dazzle em' with your brilliance... just baffle em' with your bull

01-07-2004, 08:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
toy283 Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver, CO, US Posts: 1,435	That's why I also said go crossover. The purpose for the torque rod goes in the dumpster with the old draglink. __________________ Dave Currently own no Toyotas :(

01-07-2004, 08:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
flecker Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: White Mountains, Arizona (Yes it does snow in AZ) Posts: 505	Well, then sir I agree. __________________ Rigs: Way to many over the years to list. Current ones are- 1988 xtra cab, 84 beater.... more to come I am sure. If you can't dazzle em' with your brilliance... just baffle em' with your bull

01-07-2004, 11:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
t34418l3one Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NorCal, CA Posts: 19	i took it off and im fine, i forgot to mention i have dual steering stablizers, so my steering is still good. __________________ 85 black runner 5spd, 35"MT/R's, 5.29 rear locked , front toyota open 4.88s looking to trade or buy 5.29s preferable open. http://www.angelfire.com/rant/unknownerr/4runna1.JPG

01-07-2004, 11:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
toy283 Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver, CO, US Posts: 1,435	I got rid of both the sway bar and the torque rod years ago. A little more body roll but much better suspension travel and flex. __________________ Dave Currently own no Toyotas :(

01-08-2004, 01:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
CTB Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: SC Posts: 1,218	Would anyone mind explaining what exactly crossover steering is? __________________ 1995 4Runner V6 4x4

01-08-2004, 02:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
CTB Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: SC Posts: 1,218	Cool, that helps a little, thanks. __________________ 1995 4Runner V6 4x4

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