5VZ Cross Pipe Removal

bwhyit · 10-24-2009, 07:08 PM

I've got a 98 4runner 4WD V6. Recently I've developed an exhaust leak and I need to remove the cross pipe. I done quite a bit of searching and all I've seen is that it is very difficult "Royal PITA" to remove the pipe. Unfortunately this is all that I have found.

Can anyone that has removed this pipe in the past share their tips tricks on what they did to get it out?

I'm going to dive into this tomorrow and I need all the help I can get.

Thanks.

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VSU_4runnin · 10-24-2009, 10:32 PM

which part of the exhaust?
may i sugguest just cutting it out? skill saw?

bwhyit · 10-25-2009, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VSU_4runnin

which part of the exhaust?
may i sugguest just cutting it out? skill saw?

I need to remove the cross pipe. I can't cut it out since I have to put it back in when I'm done.

j-man · 10-25-2009, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwhyit

I need to remove the cross pipe. I can't cut it out since I have to put it back in when I'm done.

hmm, spray every bolt down with some pb blaster, or whatever you have to penetrate the bolts/nutz. Let it sit for a while, and start wrenching. Its gonna be tough, you're gonna swear at it a few times which can help, but your gonna need to be creative with some sockets and extensions to get it done. I ended up haveing to sawzall mine off. good luck

bwhyit · 10-25-2009, 12:58 PM

OK, so I've got all the bolts out but it's gonna be a tight squeeze to get it out of the truck. I'm gonna disconnect the trans mount and lift the transfer case to get me a little more room. Any other advise would be greatly appreciated (what other parts to remove, direction to remove pipe, etc).

Thanks.

bwhyit · 10-25-2009, 05:31 PM

Bump.

Someone out there has to have done this before???

camo31"10.50" · 10-25-2009, 05:36 PM

lol..i feel your pain buddy..i tried to remove one on a Tacoma..and we just gave up and tightened up all the bolts again..LMFAO..

im gonna do the same thing on my 3vz(take out the crossover) but im going to do while the motor is out of truck..should be prettyy darn easy then..HAHAHA

rimpainter.com · 10-25-2009, 06:24 PM

The trick is to lower the tranny / change the angle so you can get it past the firewall and the bellhousing.

Beto · 10-26-2009, 04:49 PM

Did this on a Tacoma - sort of. As Rimpainter said - you have to drop the tranny and transfer down a bit to change the angle. Other than that, you need to cut it out - I was putting headers on so I chose the cutting approach eventually.

okie81 · 10-26-2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rimpainter.com

The trick is to lower the tranny / change the angle so you can get it past the firewall and the bellhousing.

x2...and the bolts, which you've already got out

rimpainter.com · 10-26-2009, 07:15 PM

I'm curious how many crossover pipes have been thrown (safely of course) down the street out of frustration after removal, lol.

nuke1105 · 10-27-2009, 05:46 AM

took me 8 hours to remove, replace all gaskets and reinstall TRD headers. Just wanted to give my 2 cents.

j-man · 10-27-2009, 07:21 AM

i cut mine up in 20 pieces so it could never inflict pain and frustration to anyone else....

Beto · 10-27-2009, 07:51 AM

Took me 2 days to remove manifolds and install JBA headers. I don't know if the TRD ones are as bad, but the worst was that one bolt on the front driver's side. No socket would fit, and a 14mm wrench couldn't even get 1/8th of a turn at a time. I had to remove the hood, cut a wrench in half, drill a hole in the stubby handle, and pull the wrench with an overhead hoist. Hoist 1/8th turn, lower, reset the wrench, hoist, lower, reset, hoist....

bwhyit · 10-27-2009, 07:16 PM

Well, I've come to the conclusion that it is physically impossible to get the cross pipe out without cutting it. Looks like the tranny will come out later this week.

rimpainter.com · 10-27-2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwhyit

Well, I've come to the conclusion that it is physically impossible to get the cross pipe out without cutting it. Looks like the tranny will come out later this week.

Um, I don't think you need to remove the tranny. When people are saying "drop" I think they just mean "let it down." Someone chime in if I'm off base though.

I personally didn't use this method - I cut my pipe out. But I swear a few guys that I trust said that you can lower it down a bit (leaving the bellhousing bolts in place and everything).

bwhyit · 10-28-2009, 04:20 AM

I tried dropping it donw but still couldn't get it out. Tried for about an hour and no luck. I dropped the tranny down as far as it would go. The jack wasn't even supporting the trans, thats how low I let it down.

If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

Beto · 10-28-2009, 09:27 AM

In the service manual, I found the crossover pipe in "cylinder head removal"- It seems like they say to remove the crossover pipe after the intake manifold is off- do you think that might give you enough room? The intake isn't so hard to take off.. Other than that, lift the engine? Get some headers? Just guessing here now. Even if you get it off at this point, do you think you could bring yourself to put it back on? Or will you want to torture it?

hross14 · 10-28-2009, 11:02 AM

Here is my suggestion-

1. Tell wife to stay out of garage for 2 days and not ask any questions
2. Drink two beers
3. Remove the body mount Bolts and lift the body off the frame using jack a length of 2"X4". Keeps the cabin from getting dented
4. Support body off of frame--This is easier than you think--it just like putting in a Body Lift
4a. At this point you deserve a break--two more beers
5. Drop tranny and start cussing
6. Remove crosspipe and do what you gotta do.
7. Put it all back together making sure the everything is perfect--or you wil have to start over.
8. 12 pack of beer and then let the wife rub your feet for a change or do whatever floats your boat

Done

hross14 · 10-28-2009, 11:04 AM

OR--just pull the motor out--thats how i got my headers on--but i have removed the cross pipe exactly the way i described--but maybe more beer and it was on a rolled truck.

hross14 · 10-28-2009, 02:00 PM

And what i mean by drop is to lower the tranny--not remove it.

VSU_4runnin · 10-29-2009, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hross14

Here is my suggestion-

1. Tell wife to stay out of garage for 2 days and not ask any questions
2. Drink two beers
3. Remove the body mount Bolts and lift the body off the frame using jack a length of 2"X4". Keeps the cabin from getting dented
4. Support body off of frame--This is easier than you think--it just like putting in a Body Lift
4a. At this point you deserve a break--two more beers
5. Drop tranny and start cussing
6. Remove crosspipe and do what you gotta do.
7. Put it all back together making sure the everything is perfect--or you wil have to start over.
8. 12 pack of beer and then let the wife rub your feet for a change or do whatever floats your boat

Done

That, I believe is the best advice I have ever read on here. that is applicable to almost all work your doing on yer rig

bwhyit · 10-29-2009, 06:43 PM

Well, it turns out it wasn't so hard after all to get the pipe out. Here's what I did:
1) Remove the CAT pipe.
2) Remove the upper intake manifold. This give you a little more room to reach behind the engine.
3) Remove the exhaust manifolds.
4) Remove the bolts from the rear tranny mount and jack UP the rear of the transfer case. I jacked it up to the point I think I dented my floorpan a little.
5) After you've got all that out of the way you can roll the crossover pipe over the tranny bell housing and out the bottom of the truck, on the pass side. NO CUTTING REQUIRED.

It turned out to be pretty painless and I only needed one beer. It probably took me maybe 2 1/2 hours from start till I got the pipe out.

hross14 · 10-30-2009, 07:01 AM

Hey good job--see we now all know another way to do it (take out the pipe that it).

pfdaxe · 10-30-2009, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwhyit

Well, it turns out it wasn't so hard after all to get the pipe out. Here's what I did:
1) Remove the CAT pipe.
2) Remove the upper intake manifold. This give you a little more room to reach behind the engine.
3) Remove the exhaust manifolds.
4) Remove the bolts from the rear tranny mount and jack UP the rear of the transfer case. I jacked it up to the point I think I dented my floorpan a little.
5) After you've got all that out of the way you can roll the crossover pipe over the tranny bell housing and out the bottom of the truck, on the pass side. NO CUTTING REQUIRED.

It turned out to be pretty painless and I only needed one beer. It probably took me maybe 2 1/2 hours from start till I got the pipe out.

Did you throw a set of headers on while you were there.....would have been the perfect time...

10-24-2009, 10:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
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10-25-2009, 12:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
bwhyit Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 233	OK, so I've got all the bolts out but it's gonna be a tight squeeze to get it out of the truck. I'm gonna disconnect the trans mount and lift the transfer case to get me a little more room. Any other advise would be greatly appreciated (what other parts to remove, direction to remove pipe, etc). Thanks. __________________ 98 4Runner SR5, 4x4, Stock suspension/drivetrain, E-Cooling Fan Mod, B&M Trans Cooler, Alpine CDA-9887, Boston SX60, Polk Audio db651s, Linear Power 4503, Brown Bread sound deadening throughout...

10-25-2009, 05:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
bwhyit Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 233	Bump. Someone out there has to have done this before??? __________________ 98 4Runner SR5, 4x4, Stock suspension/drivetrain, E-Cooling Fan Mod, B&M Trans Cooler, Alpine CDA-9887, Boston SX60, Polk Audio db651s, Linear Power 4503, Brown Bread sound deadening throughout...

10-25-2009, 05:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,850	lol..i feel your pain buddy..i tried to remove one on a Tacoma..and we just gave up and tightened up all the bolts again..LMFAO.. im gonna do the same thing on my 3vz(take out the crossover) but im going to do while the motor is out of truck..should be prettyy darn easy then..HAHAHA __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 4runner V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

10-25-2009, 06:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,885	The trick is to lower the tranny / change the angle so you can get it past the firewall and the bellhousing. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your 3.4L O Gasket Mod here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

10-26-2009, 04:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Beto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 70	Did this on a Tacoma - sort of. As Rimpainter said - you have to drop the tranny and transfer down a bit to change the angle. Other than that, you need to cut it out - I was putting headers on so I chose the cutting approach eventually.

10-26-2009, 07:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,885	I'm curious how many crossover pipes have been thrown (safely of course) down the street out of frustration after removal, lol. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your 3.4L O Gasket Mod here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

10-27-2009, 05:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
nuke1105 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Pedro CA Posts: 73	took me 8 hours to remove, replace all gaskets and reinstall TRD headers. Just wanted to give my 2 cents.

10-27-2009, 07:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
j-man Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Santa Monica, Ca Posts: 224	i cut mine up in 20 pieces so it could never inflict pain and frustration to anyone else.... __________________ 2000 4Runner v6 sr5 4x4 5spd: Turbo'ed 99 4Runner v6 Sr5 4x4 5spd: Saw's / OME combo TrueTrac rear 98 4Runner V6 Sr5 4x4 5spd E-locker: Saws / OME combo... EEZI AWN Roof Tent 1.4m 97 4Runner V6 Sr5 4x4 Auto: Saws / OME combo TrueTrac rear 2003 Landcruiser 285 BFG At's and outback roofrack My Baja Trailer Build: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=179520 http://community.webshots.com/user/bajaroadtrain

10-27-2009, 07:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
Beto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 70	Took me 2 days to remove manifolds and install JBA headers. I don't know if the TRD ones are as bad, but the worst was that one bolt on the front driver's side. No socket would fit, and a 14mm wrench couldn't even get 1/8th of a turn at a time. I had to remove the hood, cut a wrench in half, drill a hole in the stubby handle, and pull the wrench with an overhead hoist. Hoist 1/8th turn, lower, reset the wrench, hoist, lower, reset, hoist....

10-27-2009, 07:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
bwhyit Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 233	Well, I've come to the conclusion that it is physically impossible to get the cross pipe out without cutting it. Looks like the tranny will come out later this week. __________________ 98 4Runner SR5, 4x4, Stock suspension/drivetrain, E-Cooling Fan Mod, B&M Trans Cooler, Alpine CDA-9887, Boston SX60, Polk Audio db651s, Linear Power 4503, Brown Bread sound deadening throughout...

10-28-2009, 04:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
bwhyit Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 233	I tried dropping it donw but still couldn't get it out. Tried for about an hour and no luck. I dropped the tranny down as far as it would go. The jack wasn't even supporting the trans, thats how low I let it down. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. __________________ 98 4Runner SR5, 4x4, Stock suspension/drivetrain, E-Cooling Fan Mod, B&M Trans Cooler, Alpine CDA-9887, Boston SX60, Polk Audio db651s, Linear Power 4503, Brown Bread sound deadening throughout...

10-28-2009, 09:27 AM	#18 (permalink)
Beto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 70	In the service manual, I found the crossover pipe in "cylinder head removal"- It seems like they say to remove the crossover pipe after the intake manifold is off- do you think that might give you enough room? The intake isn't so hard to take off.. Other than that, lift the engine? Get some headers? Just guessing here now. Even if you get it off at this point, do you think you could bring yourself to put it back on? Or will you want to torture it?

10-28-2009, 11:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,259	Here is my suggestion- 1. Tell wife to stay out of garage for 2 days and not ask any questions 2. Drink two beers 3. Remove the body mount Bolts and lift the body off the frame using jack a length of 2"X4". Keeps the cabin from getting dented 4. Support body off of frame--This is easier than you think--it just like putting in a Body Lift 4a. At this point you deserve a break--two more beers 5. Drop tranny and start cussing 6. Remove crosspipe and do what you gotta do. 7. Put it all back together making sure the everything is perfect--or you wil have to start over. 8. 12 pack of beer and then let the wife rub your feet for a change or do whatever floats your boat Done __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-28-2009, 11:04 AM	#20 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,259	OR--just pull the motor out--thats how i got my headers on--but i have removed the cross pipe exactly the way i described--but maybe more beer and it was on a rolled truck. __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-28-2009, 02:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,259	And what i mean by drop is to lower the tranny--not remove it. __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-29-2009, 06:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
bwhyit Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 233	Well, it turns out it wasn't so hard after all to get the pipe out. Here's what I did: 1) Remove the CAT pipe. 2) Remove the upper intake manifold. This give you a little more room to reach behind the engine. 3) Remove the exhaust manifolds. 4) Remove the bolts from the rear tranny mount and jack UP the rear of the transfer case. I jacked it up to the point I think I dented my floorpan a little. 5) After you've got all that out of the way you can roll the crossover pipe over the tranny bell housing and out the bottom of the truck, on the pass side. NO CUTTING REQUIRED. It turned out to be pretty painless and I only needed one beer. It probably took me maybe 2 1/2 hours from start till I got the pipe out. __________________ 98 4Runner SR5, 4x4, Stock suspension/drivetrain, E-Cooling Fan Mod, B&M Trans Cooler, Alpine CDA-9887, Boston SX60, Polk Audio db651s, Linear Power 4503, Brown Bread sound deadening throughout...

10-30-2009, 07:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,259	Hey good job--see we now all know another way to do it (take out the pipe that it). __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

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