1986 Toyota Pickup Track times? - Page 3

George4door · 11-22-2004, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Yamaha+Toyota=Fun

Fast is bmw, porsche, ferrari. Also did you know turning is a form of acceleration

Actually the LS1 trans am and especially Z06 1/4 miles are faster than almost all BMW's, most porches, and most ferrari's and can run 10's with just a wet shot of nitro. (f-body runs 12.9's stock, and Z06 can get down to 12.7's stock although I've heard 12.68. Ferrari F355 13.0, Modena 360 12.8. Porsche 911 13.4)

And angular acceleration is differant than linear acceleration. You are talking about centripetal acceleration.

Anyway, have you thought about a power adder or do you want to go all motor?

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metalhed · 11-22-2004, 12:37 PM

for what it is worth
1984 4x4 pickup 22r header 5 speed etc 21-22 seconds mid 50's thru traps
2001 4x4 pickup S/C vs auto 16.83 at 80 something miles per hour nosed over at 1000 feet truck leans out bad under WOT no knock just runs out of fuel
all times at 5800 feet above sea level
dont have timeslips with me but the 84s times were not impressive
the turbo 22r does make a difference--that I know we had one running earlier this year at the track I work at and it was as almost as fast as my v6

follow the basics; open the intake and exhaust, tune the motor, fill up tires to the proper specs, and the most important thing, go to a drag strip, shell out the 30 or so bucks and run it on a test nite.

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota

I said that thinking of a 4000-4500lb 4runner, not a 3200lb truck.

3200lbs? jeez, my 4x4 longbed only weighs 2900! an '84-88 2wd weighs in around 2500 tops

my truck could do 0-60 in about 10 seconds or so. main issue i had was that there was a pretty big jump between 2nd and 3rd gear if i remember correctly, so i had to rev it up pretty good in 2nd(not a problem!)

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle_22r

with the way an '84-88 truck handles, and say, a 250hp 22RT(E?) i could outhandle and outrun 90% of anything out there.

It handles well? Mine has tons of body and roll and a huge turning radius. Maybe it's just me.

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 05:49 PM

mine could turn on a time, and had virtually no body roll. maybe i just got lucky, mine actually had pretty stiff suspension

if i build a 2wd in the future, i'm going to link the rear end and do coilovers in the front, and run a supercharged or turbo'd 22R

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle_22r

if i build a 2wd in the future, i'm going to link the rear end and do coilovers in the front, and run a supercharged or turbo'd 22R

That'd be pretty nice. I'd love to see it someday.

mikedog · 11-22-2004, 05:52 PM

Kyle is right. On my 4spd, 1st gear is rather useless. Winds out too quickly. 2nd has a GOOD pull to 50mph or so. Sometimes I just slip the clutch and let it pull through 2nd gear from a stop. Yeah I know, that's bad for the clutch.lol! 3rd gear takes me well past 85mph reving it to redline. 4th gear is practically like an overdrive gear now that I have the bigger LT tires on it with the stock 3.31's.

The main problem with the tranny is the spread of the gears. If it was a close-ratio, then the truck would be alot quicker.

I believe there's a "close-ratio" Celica 5spd tranny that'll work in these trucks, but I don't know the exact years/models which had this particular 5spd. Maybe the old Celica GTS's, I don't know.

Actually, my truck handles pretty good for what it is. If you crank up the front torsion bars, the front-end will have alot less lean through the corners. Of course, this is at the cost of a slightly higher ride-height and stiffer ride.

I agree, the turning radius is pretty bad. Too bad there isn't a "mod" or "fix" to improve the turning radius on these trucks. Geez! I mean afterall, the 2wd singlecab shortbed Hiluxes only have a 103" wheelbase to deal with. The turning radius COULD be better. lol!

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 05:56 PM

Does anyone have any idea how much it would cost for a shop to install an aftermarket camshaft?

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 06:37 PM

mike, my 1st gear was actually pretty good until about 30mph

i know there's a few truck specific trannies and celica specific trannies, but both the celica and 2wd trucks used the W50 transmission at one time, at least in the early 80s. there's also a W55, contrary to what i know about 4wd transmissions i know very little about 2wd transmissions

oh, and my 2wd of choice to build is gonna be a '74-78 hilux(more likely an SR5 '77 or '78, available sunroof and other goodies) or a late 60s stout. the stout would make a cool little hot rod, though not as comfortable to drive...could be trick with a 3 link rear suspension and coils and a powerful motor though...

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle_22r

both the celica and 2wd trucks used the W50 transmission at one time, at least in the early 80s.

Did the 86 2WD truck use the same tranny as the celica?

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 06:42 PM

well after '85 the celica went to FWD, but i'd imagine the earlier years could've overlapped.

i think some of the 2wd specific transmissions for the '84-88 trucks were the W50, W55, G40, W40(?), i'm sure a few overlap with the celica

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle_22r

i think some of the 2wd specific transmissions for the '84-88 trucks were the W50, W55, G40, W40(?), i'm sure a few overlap with the celica

Looks like mine might be a W56.

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 06:53 PM

the W56 was used in 2wds as well, but i thought it was mostly in 1 tons. i don't think the celica ever got a W56 though

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle_22r

i don't think the celica ever got a W56 though

Your probably right. It's funny that so many things in the celica were used in the trucks. Just goes to show what kind of potential that pickups might have...

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 07:34 PM

well, you can even compare an 80s RWD celica to the truck quite well:

engines:
celica - 22R, 22RE('83-up GT i think)
truck - 22R, 22RE

tranny:
celica - W50?, W55?
truck - W50, W55

rear end:
truck - 7.5 solid, 8.0 solid
celica - 7.5 solid, 7.5 IRS

and then you have to take into consideration that a lot of 2wd trucks were LIGHTER than celicas!

YotaTruck1986 · 11-22-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_22r

well, you can even compare an 80s RWD celica to the truck quite well:

engines:
celica - 22R, 22RE('83-up GT i think)
truck - 22R, 22RE

tranny:
celica - W50?, W55?
truck - W50, W55

rear end:
truck - 7.5 solid, 8.0 solid
celica - 7.5 solid, 7.5 IRS

and then you have to take into consideration that a lot of 2wd trucks were LIGHTER than celicas!

TRUCKS RULE!!

mikedog · 11-22-2004, 07:59 PM

Kyle, do the 4X4 4spd's have a deeper 1st gear or something? For some reason, 1st gear in mine really doesn't have much range. Maybe 20mph tops in mine. It just winds out to quickly compared to the other gears.

I remember a site on the web called 22R mods.com (or something similar to that) which had a message board for owners of 22r trucks. The site owner had a description of the mods done to his truck on the site. He listed a "close-ratio" 5spd Celica transmission swap as one of his mods, but I can't seem to find the site anymore in order to email him about the particulars.

Yeah, a mid '70's Hilux would be pretty nice. They're just a little too boxy for my tastes.lol! A fixed up Stout would definitely be cool! I actually had the opportunity to sit in one at the local junkyard once. Geez, talk about primitive! They make the interior of my '88 look like a luxury car.lol!

I've always preferred the styling of the mid '70's Datsun trucks to the Toyota's of that vintage though. The grill design of those Datsun trucks with that V shape and the inset headlights always reminded me of a '69 Camaro.

When Toyota finally came out with the wedge-shaped upper body line on their trucks for '84, that made me want to get a '84-'88 style Hilux ever since. I wonder if that black '85 4x4 Hilux at the end of "Back to the Future" is still around? Man, how I always wanted that truck.lol!

Bumpin' Yota · 11-22-2004, 08:03 PM

Any thoughts of a 5vze or 7mgte into an older yota 2wd trucks? If they really are 2900lbs (which is suspect unless ya got a scale reciept

) they'd be crazy fun to drive.

Big question would be would hte motor mounts match up....

Yamaha+Toyota=Fun · 11-22-2004, 08:14 PM

7mgte swap would be insane in a 2wd truck, someone should do that.

:COUGH: yotatruck1986 :COUGH:

the_supernerd · 11-22-2004, 09:03 PM

There is a video of a Supra engine in a 2wd truck at this site:

http://webpages.charter.net/dbcaudill/webpage.htm

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota

Any thoughts of a 5vze or 7mgte into an older yota 2wd trucks? If they really are 2900lbs (which is suspect unless ya got a scale reciept

) they'd be crazy fun to drive.

Big question would be would hte motor mounts match up....

not suspect at all, my 4x4's official factory weight is 2900ish. me and a buddy could pick up the back end of his '78 and move it around...they were the true definition of a "light truck!"

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 09:35 PM

imagine that in jet black, maybe lowered a bit, 200hp, z rated tires...ultimate sleeper.

i gotta hurry up and finish this 4x4 project!

the_supernerd · 11-22-2004, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_22r

imagine that in jet black, maybe lowered a bit, 200hp, z rated tires...ultimate sleeper.

i gotta hurry up and finish this 4x4 project!

That would be cool. Is there any way to put a 7mgte in one?

Yota2NR · 11-23-2004, 02:15 PM

16.102 at 90 miles per hour in 86 Ext Cab 22R yota has some but miinimum mods

Bumpin' Yota · 11-23-2004, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle_22r

not suspect at all, my 4x4's official factory weight is 2900ish. me and a buddy could pick up the back end of his '78 and move it around...they were the true definition of a "light truck!"

Indeed however add fuel, add oil, add fluids, and add you. That should quite easily knock the weight up to 3200lbs. My 4runners specs list 3986lbs but right now with me in it, it sits at 4500lbs.

btw - light vehicles lend themselves to really funny practical jokes.... like putting your truck lengthwise btwn two telephone poles with about 1" of total clearance.

11-22-2004, 12:37 PM	#52 (permalink)
metalhed Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Golden Colorado Posts: 380	for what it is worth 1984 4x4 pickup 22r header 5 speed etc 21-22 seconds mid 50's thru traps 2001 4x4 pickup S/C vs auto 16.83 at 80 something miles per hour nosed over at 1000 feet truck leans out bad under WOT no knock just runs out of fuel all times at 5800 feet above sea level dont have timeslips with me but the 84s times were not impressive the turbo 22r does make a difference--that I know we had one running earlier this year at the track I work at and it was as almost as fast as my v6 follow the basics; open the intake and exhaust, tune the motor, fill up tires to the proper specs, and the most important thing, go to a drag strip, shell out the 30 or so bucks and run it on a test nite. __________________ Metalhed Rock on Dude! 2001 Red Tacoma, Supercharged, Auto 2" OME lift in front and AAL in the rear Last edited by metalhed; 11-22-2004 at 12:38 PM.

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kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	mine could turn on a time, and had virtually no body roll. maybe i just got lucky, mine actually had pretty stiff suspension if i build a 2wd in the future, i'm going to link the rear end and do coilovers in the front, and run a supercharged or turbo'd 22R __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

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YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	Does anyone have any idea how much it would cost for a shop to install an aftermarket camshaft? __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

11-22-2004, 06:37 PM	#59 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	mike, my 1st gear was actually pretty good until about 30mph i know there's a few truck specific trannies and celica specific trannies, but both the celica and 2wd trucks used the W50 transmission at one time, at least in the early 80s. there's also a W55, contrary to what i know about 4wd transmissions i know very little about 2wd transmissions oh, and my 2wd of choice to build is gonna be a '74-78 hilux(more likely an SR5 '77 or '78, available sunroof and other goodies) or a late 60s stout. the stout would make a cool little hot rod, though not as comfortable to drive...could be trick with a 3 link rear suspension and coils and a powerful motor though... __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4 Last edited by kyle_22r; 11-22-2004 at 06:40 PM.

11-22-2004, 06:42 PM	#61 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	well after '85 the celica went to FWD, but i'd imagine the earlier years could've overlapped. i think some of the 2wd specific transmissions for the '84-88 trucks were the W50, W55, G40, W40(?), i'm sure a few overlap with the celica __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-22-2004, 05:52 PM	#57 (permalink)
mikedog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: So. Cal Posts: 176	Kyle is right. On my 4spd, 1st gear is rather useless. Winds out too quickly. 2nd has a GOOD pull to 50mph or so. Sometimes I just slip the clutch and let it pull through 2nd gear from a stop. Yeah I know, that's bad for the clutch.lol! 3rd gear takes me well past 85mph reving it to redline. 4th gear is practically like an overdrive gear now that I have the bigger LT tires on it with the stock 3.31's. The main problem with the tranny is the spread of the gears. If it was a close-ratio, then the truck would be alot quicker. I believe there's a "close-ratio" Celica 5spd tranny that'll work in these trucks, but I don't know the exact years/models which had this particular 5spd. Maybe the old Celica GTS's, I don't know. Actually, my truck handles pretty good for what it is. If you crank up the front torsion bars, the front-end will have alot less lean through the corners. Of course, this is at the cost of a slightly higher ride-height and stiffer ride. I agree, the turning radius is pretty bad. Too bad there isn't a "mod" or "fix" to improve the turning radius on these trucks. Geez! I mean afterall, the 2wd singlecab shortbed Hiluxes only have a 103" wheelbase to deal with. The turning radius COULD be better. lol!

11-22-2004, 06:53 PM	#63 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	the W56 was used in 2wds as well, but i thought it was mostly in 1 tons. i don't think the celica ever got a W56 though __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-22-2004, 07:34 PM	#65 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	well, you can even compare an 80s RWD celica to the truck quite well: engines: celica - 22R, 22RE('83-up GT i think) truck - 22R, 22RE tranny: celica - W50?, W55? truck - W50, W55 rear end: truck - 7.5 solid, 8.0 solid celica - 7.5 solid, 7.5 IRS and then you have to take into consideration that a lot of 2wd trucks were LIGHTER than celicas! __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-22-2004, 07:59 PM	#67 (permalink)
mikedog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: So. Cal Posts: 176	Kyle, do the 4X4 4spd's have a deeper 1st gear or something? For some reason, 1st gear in mine really doesn't have much range. Maybe 20mph tops in mine. It just winds out to quickly compared to the other gears. I remember a site on the web called 22R mods.com (or something similar to that) which had a message board for owners of 22r trucks. The site owner had a description of the mods done to his truck on the site. He listed a "close-ratio" 5spd Celica transmission swap as one of his mods, but I can't seem to find the site anymore in order to email him about the particulars. Yeah, a mid '70's Hilux would be pretty nice. They're just a little too boxy for my tastes.lol! A fixed up Stout would definitely be cool! I actually had the opportunity to sit in one at the local junkyard once. Geez, talk about primitive! They make the interior of my '88 look like a luxury car.lol! I've always preferred the styling of the mid '70's Datsun trucks to the Toyota's of that vintage though. The grill design of those Datsun trucks with that V shape and the inset headlights always reminded me of a '69 Camaro. When Toyota finally came out with the wedge-shaped upper body line on their trucks for '84, that made me want to get a '84-'88 style Hilux ever since. I wonder if that black '85 4x4 Hilux at the end of "Back to the Future" is still around? Man, how I always wanted that truck.lol!

11-22-2004, 08:03 PM	#68 (permalink)
Bumpin' Yota Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 3,639	Any thoughts of a 5vze or 7mgte into an older yota 2wd trucks? If they really are 2900lbs (which is suspect unless ya got a scale reciept ) they'd be crazy fun to drive. Big question would be would hte motor mounts match up.... __________________ 3vze, 4x4, sr5, 90, auto, LSD 2x dB Drag World Finalist 2003 Nopi Nat. Street B champ 2004 SBN Street C champ 2004 SBN Advncd NW Champ 2004 Former WR Holder in NW. SPL: 159.8db @ 42hz In loving memory of Jamie Riggs 5/15/85 - 10/8/04

11-22-2004, 08:14 PM	#69 (permalink)
Yamaha+Toyota=Fun Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bellingham, Washington and Ketchikan, Alaska Posts: 1,081	7mgte swap would be insane in a 2wd truck, someone should do that. :COUGH: yotatruck1986 :COUGH: __________________ 92 pickup... sold 90 integra- b18b turbo, intercooled, 10 lbs of boost, 240 whp... blown up 79 2wd yota pickup

11-22-2004, 09:03 PM	#70 (permalink)
the_supernerd Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sonora, CA Posts: 1,138	There is a video of a Supra engine in a 2wd truck at this site: http://webpages.charter.net/dbcaudill/webpage.htm

11-22-2004, 09:35 PM	#72 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	imagine that in jet black, maybe lowered a bit, 200hp, z rated tires...ultimate sleeper. i gotta hurry up and finish this 4x4 project! __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

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Yota2NR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	16.102 at 90 miles per hour in 86 Ext Cab 22R yota has some but miinimum mods

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