1986 Toyota Pickup Track times? - Page 2

kyle_22r · 11-17-2004, 11:21 PM

if it scoots with 3.08s then it'll fly with 4.10s

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YotaTruck1986 · 11-18-2004, 01:36 PM

Considering this setup: (Suggestions or Comments?)
1.) LCE 4-1 Header
2.) LCE EFI Pro Cam or ToyotaPerformance EFI Pro Cam (Suggestions on which one?)
3.) Free Flow Cat (Do these make that much of a difference over the stock cats?)
4.) Open Filter Intake (Got it.)

LCE has a 22RE Pro Cam and Pro Cam Offset, what's the difference? Thanks.

RED 85 · 11-18-2004, 02:23 PM

I would suggest either send your head to engnbldr to have it redone with oversized valves and the 270 cam, that is what i did and it was only $400 aprox. Or go with the TCR EFI power package for $900 you get a whole lot. And it will complament what you have now.

I would like to see what your times are now and when you get this done.

RED 85 · 11-18-2004, 02:25 PM

Oh on the cam's I think they are the same TCR is a LCE retailer.

kyle_22r · 11-18-2004, 02:28 PM

that's what i've always thought, TCR just sells LC stuff. sounds like you're off to a good start...the cam will make a big difference.

engnbldr's heads are a good setup, it's a new generation casting, and they can be ordered with oversized valves and some port work done for $620...not a bad deal considering it's a BRAND NEW head.

RED 85 · 11-18-2004, 02:34 PM

They just rebuilt mine and it was $350 W/O the cam. They are really good they have 20-30years of experiance and know what they are talking about. He stumped a buddy of mine who is a master mech and blew him out of the water with his knowledge of heads.

YotaTruck1986 · 11-18-2004, 02:50 PM

OK, so the LCE Header and LCE Pro Cam sounds good? What goes into installing a cam, or should I say how much would it cost? Thanks.

kyle_22r · 11-18-2004, 03:46 PM

when installing a cam it's best to do your head gasket at the same time, as the head bolts also hold down the rocker assembly

YotaTruck1986 · 11-18-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_22r

when installing a cam it's best to do your head gasket at the same time, as the head bolts also hold down the rocker assembly

So I should purchase a new head gasket as well? Would the LCE 22R OEM Head Gasket work for my 22RE? I won't be installing the cam myself, I'll probably have to take it to a shop or Toyota dealership.

kyle_22r · 11-18-2004, 04:01 PM

yep, definitely a good idea to replace the head gasket. it's not all that hard of a job, it's mostly just getting everything out of the way. i'd trust anything LC sells

YotaTruck1986 · 11-18-2004, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_22r

yep, definitely a good idea to replace the head gasket. it's not all that hard of a job, it's mostly just getting everything out of the way. i'd trust anything LC sells

Thanks, any idea on how much it will cost to get a shop to install the camshaft? How much of a difference - performance wise - do you think it will make?

mikedog · 11-18-2004, 06:58 PM

Don't bother with the 22R/RE, just do the 7M-GTE Supra swap and you WILL be fast. Can you say stock LS1 territory? LOL!

Actually, I'm suprised nobody here has G-tech'ed their 4cyl truck yet.

I wouldn't under estimate a good running 22R/RE in a lightweight '84-'88 2wd Hilux. With my meager mods and rather high mileage, I have no problem beating alot of newer vehicles from a stoplight. 4cyl S10's, older Civic's, 4cyl Ranger's and the list goes on. I also can give the 150hp DOHC 2RZ-FE Tacoma's a pretty good run too.LOL!

IMO, I'd go with the Thorley header. The tri-Y design will help increase low to mid rpm TQ. This is what you need most with these trucks because the 22R/RE is a low to mid rpm TQ motor. Get a late style 22RE intake plenum. I believe it was around the '94MY or so that Toyota redesigned the 22RE plenum for more flow. Ditch the mechanical fan and get an electric one for less parasitic drag on the engine. I think you can also tweak the AFM for more airflow as well. Be careful with the cam selection though. The 22RE is a slightly different animal than the 22R. A cam that may work good on a 22R may not work as well on a 22RE.

If I were you, I'd do the header and catback exhaust first. This alone will make the most noticeable difference in how your truck runs. After that, then I'd do the air intake modifications like a K&N/Amsoil filter with a DIY cold-air-induction setup. You'll be so pleased with how the truck runs after that, you won't even want the "aftermarket" cam.

YotaTruck1986 · 11-18-2004, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedog

Ditch the mechanical fan and get an electric one for less parasitic drag on the engine.

I've been looking for an electrical fan to replace the mechanical one, does anyone know of one? Thanks.

yamarocket630 · 11-18-2004, 07:53 PM

My 04 3.4l is just about adequate for keeping up with traffic, both of my 22RE's were uber slow... The Subaru on the other hand... not so slow, but it is a hand full to steer when all 4 tires start spinning on a 1-2 shift.

mikedog · 11-18-2004, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaTruck1986

I've been looking for an electrical fan to replace the mechanical one, does anyone know of one? Thanks.

Well....I spent the $$$ and got the Flex-a-lite 165 thermostatically adjustable electric fan. It's basically a bolt in job for the fan. The fan is specifically made for the 22R/RE engines. You get all the connectors, wiring and directions to hook it up as well.

The nice thing about the adjustable fan is that my engine is always "crisp" in throttle response. With the old mechanical fan setup, my truck use to get kinda "spongy" when the outside temps got warm enough or if the engine was under a high load for long period of time. I used to hate that. The adjustable electric fan has cured that problem.

You can also do the "junkyard" Taurus electric fan mod to save $$$, but then you'd have a F*rd part on your Yota. Yuck! LOL! Also, I don't think the Taurus fan is adjustable like the Flexalite 165. I've been running the FAL 165 for almost 2-years now without a single problem.

White83 · 11-19-2004, 11:09 AM

Back to the subject of 1/4 mile times... Get yourself a GTech Pro off of ebay to get a close estimate of what it would run at the track. I paid 40 bucks for mine with shipping. The miles per hour usually reads 3 to 5 miles per hour faster but the times are 1 or 2 tenths off which is pretty dang good.

YotaTruck1986 · 11-19-2004, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedog

Well....I spent the $$$ and got the Flex-a-lite 165 thermostatically adjustable electric fan. It's basically a bolt in job for the fan. The fan is specifically made for the 22R/RE engines. You get all the connectors, wiring and directions to hook it up as well.

The nice thing about the adjustable fan is that my engine is always "crisp" in throttle response. With the old mechanical fan setup, my truck use to get kinda "spongy" when the outside temps got warm enough or if the engine was under a high load for long period of time. I used to hate that. The adjustable electric fan has cured that problem.

You can also do the "junkyard" Taurus electric fan mod to save $$$, but then you'd have a F*rd part on your Yota. Yuck! LOL! Also, I don't think the Taurus fan is adjustable like the Flexalite 165. I've been running the FAL 165 for almost 2-years now without a single problem.

How loud is the fan when it's on? Thanks.

YotaTruck1986 · 11-19-2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White83

Back to the subject of 1/4 mile times... Get yourself a GTech Pro off of ebay to get a close estimate of what it would run at the track. I paid 40 bucks for mine with shipping. The miles per hour usually reads 3 to 5 miles per hour faster but the times are 1 or 2 tenths off which is pretty dang good.

Wow, thanks for telling me about the GTech Pro. Looks pretty cool and I hope it'll work well. So it just plugs into the cigarette lighter? How does that work? Thanks for the post, I'll be buying one ASAP.

mikedog · 11-19-2004, 06:35 PM

Jonathan,

I'd say the FAL 165 fan is somewhat loud if your standing near the engine compartment outside. Inside the cab with the windows shut, you can barely hear it.

YotaTruck1986 · 11-20-2004, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedog

Jonathan,

I'd say the FAL 165 fan is somewhat loud if your standing near the engine compartment outside. Inside the cab with the windows shut, you can barely hear it.

When I start my truck, for the first few seconds of driving the fan is really loud, but then it cuts off (fan clutch?) and just spins at a slower speed no matter what RPM I'm at. It continues to stay that way until I turn the engine off. I like it because I can't even hear it. I would like to get an electric fan to free up some HP but I need it to be as quiet (if not more) than the stock one.

White83 · 11-21-2004, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaTruck1986

Wow, thanks for telling me about the GTech Pro. Looks pretty cool and I hope it'll work well. So it just plugs into the cigarette lighter? How does that work? Thanks for the post, I'll be buying one ASAP.

Yeah, just plugs right in the cig lighter then you level the GTech Pro watching the numbers on the display... It'll pop up with a flashing -GO- when it's ready then you umm, go

YotaTruck1986 · 11-21-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White83

Yeah, just plugs right in the cig lighter then you level the GTech Pro watching the numbers on the display... It'll pop up with a flashing -GO- when it's ready then you umm, go

Sounds simple enough, I'm definitely going to check it out. For 45 bucks, you can't lose!

Bumpin' Yota · 11-22-2004, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamaha+Toyota=Fun

Fast is bmw, porsche, ferrari. Also did you know turning is a form of acceleration

bmw? bawwwaahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahaa!!! Now that is funny!

Sorry but both the evo and the skyline will ass rape the bimmer without any KY jelley including the M5 on the twisties and the 1/4.... They will do the same to ANY vehicle that does not have AWD in stock form.

But that is not the point, to get our trucks "fast" we'd need at least 400bhp before they could do anything....

kyle_22r · 11-22-2004, 09:02 AM

you don't need 400hp to make a 2wd toyota fast. with the way an '84-88 truck handles, and say, a 250hp 22RT(E?) i could outhandle and outrun 90% of anything out there.

Bumpin' Yota · 11-22-2004, 09:14 AM

I said that thinking of a 4000-4500lb 4runner, not a 3200lb truck.

11-18-2004, 01:36 PM	#27 (permalink)
YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	Considering this setup: (Suggestions or Comments?) 1.) LCE 4-1 Header 2.) LCE EFI Pro Cam or ToyotaPerformance EFI Pro Cam (Suggestions on which one?) 3.) Free Flow Cat (Do these make that much of a difference over the stock cats?) 4.) Open Filter Intake (Got it.) LCE has a 22RE Pro Cam and Pro Cam Offset, what's the difference? Thanks. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

11-18-2004, 02:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
RED 85 Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 958	I would suggest either send your head to engnbldr to have it redone with oversized valves and the 270 cam, that is what i did and it was only $400 aprox. Or go with the TCR EFI power package for $900 you get a whole lot. And it will complament what you have now. I would like to see what your times are now and when you get this done. __________________ Brandi You heard of the boy named Sue, Well I'm a man named Brandi! '85 extra cab pick-up, Up on blocks waiting for time and money. '85 4-runner with 3" lift, 33's, 4.88's, rear ARB (still trying to get air to it), Downey intake with K&N filter, some type of header, Camo Int.

11-18-2004, 02:25 PM	#29 (permalink)
RED 85 Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 958	Oh on the cam's I think they are the same TCR is a LCE retailer. __________________ Brandi You heard of the boy named Sue, Well I'm a man named Brandi! '85 extra cab pick-up, Up on blocks waiting for time and money. '85 4-runner with 3" lift, 33's, 4.88's, rear ARB (still trying to get air to it), Downey intake with K&N filter, some type of header, Camo Int.

11-18-2004, 02:28 PM	#30 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	that's what i've always thought, TCR just sells LC stuff. sounds like you're off to a good start...the cam will make a big difference. engnbldr's heads are a good setup, it's a new generation casting, and they can be ordered with oversized valves and some port work done for $620...not a bad deal considering it's a BRAND NEW head. __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-18-2004, 02:34 PM	#31 (permalink)
RED 85 Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 958	They just rebuilt mine and it was $350 W/O the cam. They are really good they have 20-30years of experiance and know what they are talking about. He stumped a buddy of mine who is a master mech and blew him out of the water with his knowledge of heads. __________________ Brandi You heard of the boy named Sue, Well I'm a man named Brandi! '85 extra cab pick-up, Up on blocks waiting for time and money. '85 4-runner with 3" lift, 33's, 4.88's, rear ARB (still trying to get air to it), Downey intake with K&N filter, some type of header, Camo Int.

11-18-2004, 02:50 PM	#32 (permalink)
YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	OK, so the LCE Header and LCE Pro Cam sounds good? What goes into installing a cam, or should I say how much would it cost? Thanks. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

11-18-2004, 03:46 PM	#33 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	when installing a cam it's best to do your head gasket at the same time, as the head bolts also hold down the rocker assembly __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-18-2004, 04:01 PM	#35 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	yep, definitely a good idea to replace the head gasket. it's not all that hard of a job, it's mostly just getting everything out of the way. i'd trust anything LC sells __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-18-2004, 06:58 PM	#37 (permalink)
mikedog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: So. Cal Posts: 176	Don't bother with the 22R/RE, just do the 7M-GTE Supra swap and you WILL be fast. Can you say stock LS1 territory? LOL! Actually, I'm suprised nobody here has G-tech'ed their 4cyl truck yet. I wouldn't under estimate a good running 22R/RE in a lightweight '84-'88 2wd Hilux. With my meager mods and rather high mileage, I have no problem beating alot of newer vehicles from a stoplight. 4cyl S10's, older Civic's, 4cyl Ranger's and the list goes on. I also can give the 150hp DOHC 2RZ-FE Tacoma's a pretty good run too.LOL! IMO, I'd go with the Thorley header. The tri-Y design will help increase low to mid rpm TQ. This is what you need most with these trucks because the 22R/RE is a low to mid rpm TQ motor. Get a late style 22RE intake plenum. I believe it was around the '94MY or so that Toyota redesigned the 22RE plenum for more flow. Ditch the mechanical fan and get an electric one for less parasitic drag on the engine. I think you can also tweak the AFM for more airflow as well. Be careful with the cam selection though. The 22RE is a slightly different animal than the 22R. A cam that may work good on a 22R may not work as well on a 22RE. If I were you, I'd do the header and catback exhaust first. This alone will make the most noticeable difference in how your truck runs. After that, then I'd do the air intake modifications like a K&N/Amsoil filter with a DIY cold-air-induction setup. You'll be so pleased with how the truck runs after that, you won't even want the "aftermarket" cam.

11-18-2004, 07:53 PM	#39 (permalink)
yamarocket630 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burton, MI Posts: 234	My 04 3.4l is just about adequate for keeping up with traffic, both of my 22RE's were uber slow... The Subaru on the other hand... not so slow, but it is a hand full to steer when all 4 tires start spinning on a 1-2 shift. __________________ 2004 4WD Ext cab Taco TRD 5VZFE. - Lunar mist - mostly stock not so daily driver 1990 Subaru Legacy Wagon. - beater POS in 3 different colors of silver - Last edited by yamarocket630; 11-18-2004 at 07:56 PM.

11-19-2004, 11:09 AM	#41 (permalink)
White83 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NorCal Posts: 136	Back to the subject of 1/4 mile times... Get yourself a GTech Pro off of ebay to get a close estimate of what it would run at the track. I paid 40 bucks for mine with shipping. The miles per hour usually reads 3 to 5 miles per hour faster but the times are 1 or 2 tenths off which is pretty dang good.

11-19-2004, 06:35 PM	#44 (permalink)
mikedog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: So. Cal Posts: 176	Jonathan, I'd say the FAL 165 fan is somewhat loud if your standing near the engine compartment outside. Inside the cab with the windows shut, you can barely hear it.

11-22-2004, 09:02 AM	#49 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	you don't need 400hp to make a 2wd toyota fast. with the way an '84-88 truck handles, and say, a 250hp 22RT(E?) i could outhandle and outrun 90% of anything out there. __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

11-22-2004, 09:14 AM	#50 (permalink)
Bumpin' Yota Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 3,639	I said that thinking of a 4000-4500lb 4runner, not a 3200lb truck. __________________ 3vze, 4x4, sr5, 90, auto, LSD 2x dB Drag World Finalist 2003 Nopi Nat. Street B champ 2004 SBN Street C champ 2004 SBN Advncd NW Champ 2004 Former WR Holder in NW. SPL: 159.8db @ 42hz In loving memory of Jamie Riggs 5/15/85 - 10/8/04

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