The OFFICIAL IFS "What size tire will fit" thread - Page 5

Canadian Bacon · 09-30-2009, 10:16 PM

Will 255/70R16 fit on my 99 4runner limited. Reason I ask is because someone is selling a set of Michelin Latitude X-Ice for $350.

Also, for you guys living in the land of snow, is it even worth getting the X-Ice if I have Firestone Destination A/T. I know they should be able to handle the snow, but will they be able to handle the -40 degree celsius temperature?

Thanks.

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Elton · 09-30-2009, 10:24 PM

basically a 30x10.5 should be just fine

JWaldz · 09-30-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elton

basically a 30x10.5 should be just fine

he speaks the truth

um, did you get lost in Antarctica?? -40! holy cow. I've seen some reviews showing they ride smooth and handle well in about 0 degrees. Other than that I do not know. If you cant pass up the deal I would use them for a winter tire and just switch back to your Firestones at the end of season.

ESQ · 09-30-2009, 10:53 PM

mmhmm gets cold like that in parts up here

FYI -40C=-40F

I think dedicated snow tires will outperform A/Ts in on-road compact ice if that is the primary use.

Canadian Bacon · 09-30-2009, 11:19 PM

Primary use would be city driving in the Edmonton Area. If I take it slow, I know I'll be ok. I may be making a trip or two through the mountains to see my siter in Vancouver though. That's when I'll see a difference.

ls2camaross · 10-01-2009, 10:18 AM

wats the difference between the regular 4" lift and the stage II, i dunno which one i have i bought the lift kit used off ebay???

ls2camaross · 10-01-2009, 10:24 AM

and howcome i have to regear so high, wats wrong with the stock gears??

skinnadoor · 10-01-2009, 10:42 AM

I have a stock 94 4runner SR5 with it's standard tires installed..

What is the max tire size that can be installed on her without doing any mod's? 32 / 11.5 ?

vandert · 10-01-2009, 12:13 PM

Your gong to bigger tires, without a regear your vehicle will be the dog of dogs...

It will be Slow, to put that in a different set of terms.

vandert · 10-01-2009, 12:14 PM

Stage II comes with more hardware on it in the Front - look on like 4wheelparts.com and copare the kits, or go to procomp's site and compare them, not much difference but the Stg II just has a little more beef

Jay351 · 10-01-2009, 12:19 PM

33x10.50" The width is what kills clearance.

Try searching next time, probibly the most common question asked

Duckie · 10-01-2009, 12:23 PM

I run a 4" pro-comp lift (Not sure what stage, guy didn't say when I bought it). I run 33x12.5R15s. Stock gears, my truck is a dog. I usually have to leave it in 3rd just to go uphills, and passing other cars on the road is a pain in the ass. I need 4.88s...

cackalak han · 10-01-2009, 12:52 PM

If you have good treads on the Firestone, I wouldn't worry about it. The extra sipings and the softer compound does work better on snow tires, but up in the mountains, the AT's would actually work better in the deeper snow. I don't have any experience with FS AT's but I had REVO's and they worked well. My current BFG KO's work better, though. If in doubt, just get a pair of chains or cables.

Canadian Bacon · 10-01-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cackalak han

If you have good treads on the Firestone, I wouldn't worry about it. The extra sipings and the softer compound does work better on snow tires, but up in the mountains, the AT's would actually work better in the deeper snow. I don't have any experience with FS AT's but I had REVO's and they worked well. My current BFG KO's work better, though. If in doubt, just get a pair of chains or cables.

How cold does it get in CO though? My concern is the -40 degree celsius temperature make my tires like a brick. I would imagine that it would be a bit warmer in CO than in Alberta/BC

skinnadoor · 10-01-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay351

33x10.50" The width is what kills clearance.

Try searching next time, probibly the most common question asked

She's in gettin new moog springs and new shocks in the rear. The tech said front looks like it was tweeked a bit to fit larger tires. Torsion bar was adjusted... that's what he said does it make sense ?

You ever run 33x10.5 and not adjust any of your suspension?

cackalak han · 10-01-2009, 03:43 PM

Geez, you Canadians always think you live in the coldest, snowiest and harshest environments.

might be right.

In Utah, we probably see -5 to -20 C in the benches and a bit colder in the mountains. However, I also spend time up in Wyoming with -20 to -50 temps. No problems thus far on AT's. My opinion, once again--stick with good AT's and carry chains/cables. Don't think some snow tires will magically make your truck unstoppable. I found the difference between my KO's and snow tires is marginal. I have tried just about every one of them, too. (Nokian Hakka, Blizzak, Hankook, etc). Chains are a big step ahead of these tires.

Oh, carry recovery gear, too.

dannomite · 10-01-2009, 04:08 PM

Hey Canadian Bacon. I spent a couple of winters in Edmonton. You and I both know that when things get really cold and it snows on top of already hard pack or icy roads it is worth having a proper winter tire. Yes the AT will work for the most part, but when you have to stop on the Yellowhead of Whitemud on pure ice you will be glad to have proper winter tires. Also you should check with insurance, I am not sure if it went through, but when I lived there someone was telling me about insurance putting blame on people in accidents that weren't their fault if they didn't have proper winter tires. I am not 100% on that but it is worth looking into.

dannomite · 10-01-2009, 04:11 PM

Cackalak, yes ATs work to a degree but when you are driving in city traffic the big difference is stopping. I have driven on good ATs and winters and have not noticed a huge margin as far as accelerating and cornering but I have noticed a difference in terms of stopping ability and the is what matters in traffic.

cackalak han · 10-01-2009, 05:08 PM

Yeah, I do understand the benefits of a true snow tire. I have used it on multiple cars. But I just don't see any more benefit compared to my KO's. I do take precaution and drive slow and ALWAYS slow down way in advance. Knock on wood, but no accidents on snow thus far. And, BTW, although Salt Lake's roads do stay clear most of the time, the roads in Wyoming are much like the conditions you're describing -- snow on top of ice. My KO's have done great.

Also, the additional benefit I get from AT's is that when the snow gets deeper, I am able to get better traction. The AT's aren't great at clearing mud/snow, but it's a whole lot better than snow tires. Just my observation.

Lastly, I don't know if you've used chains/cables, but they trump both AT's and snow tires. It is my opinion that if you have good tires and are prepared with cables/chains, you'll be fine in most instances.

Side note: dannomite - which AT tires are you talking about? Nitto TG's were terrible in snow, in my experience. REVO's were ok. BFG's were the best. They also have the Severe Service winter rating, which is also found on snow tires. FYI, just an extra series of tests on snow qualifies them for this. In some states, like Oregon, won't allow a car to pass unless they're equipped with tires bearing this symbol. BFG KO's have this, along with General AT's and a couple more, I think.

This is what the symbol looks like:

4banginRunner · 10-01-2009, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ls2camaross

wats the difference between the regular 4" lift and the stage II, i dunno which one i have i bought the lift kit used off ebay???

Stage II comes with Support bars from the tranny x-member to the rear support on the front suspention

Quote:

Originally Posted by ls2camaross

and howcome i have to regear so high, wats wrong with the stock gears??

What isnt wrong with stock gears and big tires?

Jay351 · 10-01-2009, 07:09 PM

Well, baisicly adjusting the torsions is either loosening them to lower the truck, or tightining them to lift it a little.

If you look at your lower control arms in relation to your frame, they should be parrellel. They shouldn't be at any real angle unless you have a lift.

I personally havnt run those tires but its commonly known around here (quite a few guys use them here) that 33x10.50" tires, on stock rims (rims that are wider and/or stick out farther than stock ruin your clearance) will clear with little if any trimming of the inner fender pinch weld.

You will notice that your truck is a little slower though...

ls2camaross · 10-01-2009, 09:39 PM

i knew it would slow the truck down but seriously that much??? sry my main build is my camaro, i didnt think it would slow it down THAT much though, its already slow as hell, didnt think it would have made that much more difference.

4banginRunner · 10-02-2009, 03:59 AM

If you already think its slow and your putting a 4" bracket lift on, you'll be in the 33-35" tire range, Its gunna be a slug. What motor and trans do you have?

ls2camaross · 10-02-2009, 08:09 AM

v6 5spd,

**Tofer** · 10-02-2009, 08:19 AM

You should be able to throw 42" swampers on there with minor trimming.... Make sure you have the 4.10 gears tho. Your stock cv's will be fine as long as you weld the front diff

09-30-2009, 10:24 PM	#102 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,658	basically a 30x10.5 should be just fine __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

09-30-2009, 10:53 PM	#104 (permalink)
ESQ Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia Posts: 182	mmhmm gets cold like that in parts up here FYI -40C=-40F I think dedicated snow tires will outperform A/Ts in on-road compact ice if that is the primary use. __________________ My Build Thread The 4Cruiser: 98 4Runner SR5, 5VZ-FE, Sonoran Steel 1.2, BCC custom swing-arm rear armour, full Budbuilts, 285/75R16 Goodyear Duratracs, extended diff breather, airbox deckplate, red LED cluster, console,Wabfab front discos, Warn M8000 winch, Shrockworks full hoop, PIAA 520s and 510s, Stubbs HD-SKO Sliders, External tran cooler, tundra brakes and 5.29s and ARB lockers next

10-01-2009, 10:42 AM	#108 (permalink)
skinnadoor Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Comox Valley, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 115	Max Tire Size I have a stock 94 4runner SR5 with it's standard tires installed.. What is the max tire size that can be installed on her without doing any mod's? 32 / 11.5 ?

10-01-2009, 12:13 PM	#109 (permalink)
vandert Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne/Cocoa Beach, Florida Posts: 139	Your gong to bigger tires, without a regear your vehicle will be the dog of dogs... It will be Slow, to put that in a different set of terms. __________________ 04 4Runner - Sold 97 T100 - Sold 86 Runner - Project - Sold 02 Mustang GT Vert - Stuff done, 181 GPS confirmed miles per hour on Autobahn A-5 between Stuttgart and Hockenhiem:) For Sale 92 4Runner 3.slow - little lift, ISR, Dynomax catback, manual hubs conversion, Downey rear springs, more coming count on it...

10-01-2009, 12:14 PM	#110 (permalink)
vandert Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne/Cocoa Beach, Florida Posts: 139	Stage II comes with more hardware on it in the Front - look on like 4wheelparts.com and copare the kits, or go to procomp's site and compare them, not much difference but the Stg II just has a little more beef __________________ 04 4Runner - Sold 97 T100 - Sold 86 Runner - Project - Sold 02 Mustang GT Vert - Stuff done, 181 GPS confirmed miles per hour on Autobahn A-5 between Stuttgart and Hockenhiem:) For Sale 92 4Runner 3.slow - little lift, ISR, Dynomax catback, manual hubs conversion, Downey rear springs, more coming count on it...

09-30-2009, 11:19 PM	#105 (permalink)
Canadian Bacon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 39	Primary use would be city driving in the Edmonton Area. If I take it slow, I know I'll be ok. I may be making a trip or two through the mountains to see my siter in Vancouver though. That's when I'll see a difference.

10-01-2009, 10:18 AM	#106 (permalink)
ls2camaross Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 13	wats the difference between the regular 4" lift and the stage II, i dunno which one i have i bought the lift kit used off ebay???

10-01-2009, 10:24 AM	#107 (permalink)
ls2camaross Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 13	and howcome i have to regear so high, wats wrong with the stock gears??

10-01-2009, 12:19 PM	#111 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,640	33x10.50" The width is what kills clearance. Try searching next time, probibly the most common question asked __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

10-01-2009, 12:23 PM	#112 (permalink)
Duckie Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 78	I run a 4" pro-comp lift (Not sure what stage, guy didn't say when I bought it). I run 33x12.5R15s. Stock gears, my truck is a dog. I usually have to leave it in 3rd just to go uphills, and passing other cars on the road is a pain in the ass. I need 4.88s... __________________ 1986 4runner SR5 5speed 22re 155k original miles 4" Pro-comp lift\|BFG M/T KM 33x12.50x15\|ARB Front w/ Warn Winch\|Aisin manual hubs Need: Avid Offroad sliders/Budbuilt skid and crossmember/rear bumper/4.88s/rear aussie/Zuk coil mod Ask me why they call me Duckie.

10-01-2009, 12:52 PM	#113 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	If you have good treads on the Firestone, I wouldn't worry about it. The extra sipings and the softer compound does work better on snow tires, but up in the mountains, the AT's would actually work better in the deeper snow. I don't have any experience with FS AT's but I had REVO's and they worked well. My current BFG KO's work better, though. If in doubt, just get a pair of chains or cables. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

10-01-2009, 03:43 PM	#116 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	Geez, you Canadians always think you live in the coldest, snowiest and harshest environments. might be right. In Utah, we probably see -5 to -20 C in the benches and a bit colder in the mountains. However, I also spend time up in Wyoming with -20 to -50 temps. No problems thus far on AT's. My opinion, once again--stick with good AT's and carry chains/cables. Don't think some snow tires will magically make your truck unstoppable. I found the difference between my KO's and snow tires is marginal. I have tried just about every one of them, too. (Nokian Hakka, Blizzak, Hankook, etc). Chains are a big step ahead of these tires. Oh, carry recovery gear, too. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4 Last edited by cackalak han; 10-01-2009 at 03:47 PM.

10-01-2009, 04:08 PM	#117 (permalink)
dannomite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 239	Hey Canadian Bacon. I spent a couple of winters in Edmonton. You and I both know that when things get really cold and it snows on top of already hard pack or icy roads it is worth having a proper winter tire. Yes the AT will work for the most part, but when you have to stop on the Yellowhead of Whitemud on pure ice you will be glad to have proper winter tires. Also you should check with insurance, I am not sure if it went through, but when I lived there someone was telling me about insurance putting blame on people in accidents that weren't their fault if they didn't have proper winter tires. I am not 100% on that but it is worth looking into. __________________ 1996 SR5 5speed rear locker.

10-01-2009, 04:11 PM	#118 (permalink)
dannomite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 239	Cackalak, yes ATs work to a degree but when you are driving in city traffic the big difference is stopping. I have driven on good ATs and winters and have not noticed a huge margin as far as accelerating and cornering but I have noticed a difference in terms of stopping ability and the is what matters in traffic. __________________ 1996 SR5 5speed rear locker.

10-01-2009, 05:08 PM	#119 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	Yeah, I do understand the benefits of a true snow tire. I have used it on multiple cars. But I just don't see any more benefit compared to my KO's. I do take precaution and drive slow and ALWAYS slow down way in advance. Knock on wood, but no accidents on snow thus far. And, BTW, although Salt Lake's roads do stay clear most of the time, the roads in Wyoming are much like the conditions you're describing -- snow on top of ice. My KO's have done great. Also, the additional benefit I get from AT's is that when the snow gets deeper, I am able to get better traction. The AT's aren't great at clearing mud/snow, but it's a whole lot better than snow tires. Just my observation. Lastly, I don't know if you've used chains/cables, but they trump both AT's and snow tires. It is my opinion that if you have good tires and are prepared with cables/chains, you'll be fine in most instances. Side note: dannomite - which AT tires are you talking about? Nitto TG's were terrible in snow, in my experience. REVO's were ok. BFG's were the best. They also have the Severe Service winter rating, which is also found on snow tires. FYI, just an extra series of tests on snow qualifies them for this. In some states, like Oregon, won't allow a car to pass unless they're equipped with tires bearing this symbol. BFG KO's have this, along with General AT's and a couple more, I think. This is what the symbol looks like: __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4 Last edited by cackalak han; 10-01-2009 at 05:09 PM.

10-01-2009, 07:09 PM	#121 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,640	Well, baisicly adjusting the torsions is either loosening them to lower the truck, or tightining them to lift it a little. If you look at your lower control arms in relation to your frame, they should be parrellel. They shouldn't be at any real angle unless you have a lift. I personally havnt run those tires but its commonly known around here (quite a few guys use them here) that 33x10.50" tires, on stock rims (rims that are wider and/or stick out farther than stock ruin your clearance) will clear with little if any trimming of the inner fender pinch weld. You will notice that your truck is a little slower though... __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

10-01-2009, 09:39 PM	#122 (permalink)
ls2camaross Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 13	i knew it would slow the truck down but seriously that much??? sry my main build is my camaro, i didnt think it would slow it down THAT much though, its already slow as hell, didnt think it would have made that much more difference.

10-02-2009, 03:59 AM	#123 (permalink)
4banginRunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: With all the Ho Butts in Mount Carmel, PA Posts: 1,706	If you already think its slow and your putting a 4" bracket lift on, you'll be in the 33-35" tire range, Its gunna be a slug. What motor and trans do you have? __________________ 87 Toyota 4Runner 22RE--5spd swap (W56)--4.56s--BJ spacers--Pro Comp Stage II 4" bracket lift--63" Chevys w/2" blocks--40 series--late style steering box swap--BudBuilt Dual Case X-member--V6 calipers--32s--MC rear bumper--SAS parts collecting time... *79 Toyota Longbed 4x4* Frame-off Resto time. *04 GMC Sierra 1500* the DD

10-02-2009, 08:09 AM	#124 (permalink)
ls2camaross Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 13	v6 5spd,

10-02-2009, 08:19 AM	#125 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,908	You should be able to throw 42" swampers on there with minor trimming.... Make sure you have the 4.10 gears tho. Your stock cv's will be fine as long as you weld the front diff __________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :)

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