BFG All Terrain on a 3rd Gen 4runner: Load range?

Smallwood0507 · 10-01-2009, 03:36 PM

been looking at tires and decided to go with the Bfgs. went to order from tirerack.com cause their 140 a tire for lt265/75/16s load range E. and it came up with this warning....

The following tire you have selected has a higher load rating than the vehicle's Original Equipment (O.E.) tires. This typically results in increased ride harshness, which some customers may find undesirable.

Anyone that drives a 4runner have any problems with this tire?

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skjos · 10-01-2009, 03:42 PM

I initially had a load range E BFG AT KO tire installed on my 4runner, and it did produce a moderatly harsher ride. I went back to Discount tire and they swapped them for load range C tires, the ride was improved, but the change wasn't super dramatic. I would stick with load range C tire, unless you're towing heavy stuff, or need the extra sidewall stiffness for off-roading. The C's should also be cheaper.

cackalak han · 10-01-2009, 03:50 PM

I have load range E on my Tacoma. I'm fine with the ride. Not even close to harsh. My tire size is 235/85/16.

4rx · 10-01-2009, 04:42 PM

i used to have the firestone destination m/t load E. i had no problem at all.

altf4 · 10-01-2009, 04:47 PM

load range E will have a higher ply rating, meaning the sidewall is more stout, which means less give. Range E is overkill for your ride, i'd go with a D if they offer it, or a C if thats all they have.

2 cents

murdarunna19 · 10-01-2009, 04:51 PM

i cant complain about my ats on my 4runner

team_gforce · 10-01-2009, 06:37 PM

currently running 265/75r16 cooper mt with load range e. the recommended psi is 80 and i run them at 65 (for highway driving). still way to high and the ride leaves a little to be desired. i will definatly be looking for a lower load range tire for the next set.

SC4Runner · 10-01-2009, 08:43 PM

I've heard the E rated tires lasting longer, but, that involves alot of variables. I'd personally go D or E, not C.

cackalak han · 10-01-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC4Runner

I've heard the E rated tires lasting longer, but, that involves alot of variables. I'd personally go D or E, not C.

Well, some tire specs state that the E has deeper treads. This wasn't the case with the BFG's, though. Anyway, that's maybe why they last longer.

j-man · 10-01-2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smallwood0507

been looking at tires and decided to go with the Bfgs. went to order from tirerack.com cause their 140 a tire for lt265/75/16s load range E. and it came up with this warning....

The following tire you have selected has a higher load rating than the vehicle's Original Equipment (O.E.) tires. This typically results in increased ride harshness, which some customers may find undesirable.

Anyone that drives a 4runner have any problems with this tire?

there is absolutely no reason for anyone with a tacoma to get an E rated tire - thats completly insane. E rated tires would be for a trailer, or a heavy van or dually. C rated is all you need, even D rated is overkill but sometimes its all you can get. No, you wont get any more mileage, just a sore back from the lack of sidewall flex.

fattirerider · 10-01-2009, 10:09 PM

I've been looking for the ATs in this size too and from their specs sheet they only offer that size in an E rating. 2 different sidewall types though. What are we to do?

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/specs...t-a-ko/44.html

X-AWDriver · 10-02-2009, 07:13 AM

E is for vehicles weighing over 5000lbs and our 3rd gens are 1000 less than that and yes E is harsh which is why I went back to the tire place and got my TGs in the D load range. Some people like that hard ride and will tell you it's no big deal but if you put alot of miles on the street it'll be nocticeable plus you pay more for E which is dumb if you can get C or D for cheaper.

cackalak han · 10-02-2009, 07:29 AM

Um, I drive 100+ miles per day and have no problems with my E rated tires. Plus, mine didn't cost any more. I'm in my 30's and I'm done with the loud exhaust, harsh suspension days, but I have zero complaints on the ride quality on these BFG's. Next set I get will be MT's also in load range E.

X-AWDriver · 10-02-2009, 08:28 AM

You're in the minority and don't mind the stiff ride and most E rated tires do cost more to the rest of us. (Nittos Es are over $20 more a tire at Discount) Have you driven on D or C rated BFGs to compare with?
I've driven a 4Runner shod with each within a few days and when I was downtown on our constuction zoned/potholed streets there was a noticeable diff. If I don't need Es then why would I buy them since on a 4000lb truck I don't see the advantage unless you tow.

j-money$$$ · 10-02-2009, 08:37 AM

i have 285/75/r16 bfg with a load range e on my 4runner, and they are completely fine. the stiffer sidewall is a good thing if you offroad, less chance of a sidewall puncture, i don't even know what the max psi is on my tires but i run the fronts around 28 psi and the back around 24. the lower pressure compensates for the stiffer tire.

and if you were to run the at the max they woud be overinflated for the weight and would wear irregular.

the ride is just the same as my last load range d dunflops

cackalak han · 10-02-2009, 08:51 AM

My previous set right before this was BFG D's. Honestly, I can't tell that much difference. It is NOT harsh at all. Reasons I like LRE is because of the tougher sidewalls and better stability, especially when towing.

skjos · 10-03-2009, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fattirerider

I've been looking for the ATs in this size too and from their specs sheet they only offer that size in an E rating. 2 different sidewall types though. What are we to do?

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/specs...t-a-ko/44.html

Based on the spec sheet it looks like you are stuck with E-rated tires for the BFG AT KO in 265/75/r16.

I have 17 inch rims with 265/70/r17's (same outer diameter as the 265/75/r16), so I had the option of going with a C rated tire.

Don't quote me on this, but I read somewhere that the E rated tires have a heavier rolling mass and affected gas milage, however when I switched from E's to C's I didn't notice a difference.

cackalak han · 10-03-2009, 09:21 AM

I swore I thought 265/75/16's came in LRD, but guess not. Be sure to get the one rated for severe snow. That is a good price on those tires, though.

portercassidy · 10-03-2009, 02:58 PM

Short Time Lurker, first time poster. This discussion prompted me to post my findings. I too am looking for a BFG AT 265/75/16. I just got back from Discount Tires and discussed this issue with a guy there. BFG does have a D rated tire, but it is a special order, and is going to take about 5 days to get wherever cause they do not make too many of them. They are more expensive, but might be the answer to some of you out there that thinks a E rated tire is overkill.

TOYOTA'S Rock

X-AWDriver · 10-03-2009, 03:07 PM

Great tire off road but BFGs left a bit to be desired with their wet weather performance and their dry grip wasn't as good as my Nitto TGs. Simply a so-so tire in my experiences on them especially on a '97 4Runner I drove and on my GF's '94 Toy PU plus they are pricey.

cackalak han · 10-03-2009, 07:14 PM

BFG KO's are an offroad oriented tire. If you're worried about wet weather performance and general on road performance only, they are not the tires for you. But in my experience, Nitto's weren't that great, either. Mich AT and Bridgestone REVO's were much better.

KO's do trump all the other tires mentioned offroad, though.

X-AWDriver · 10-03-2009, 08:12 PM

On a daily driver in Colorado you have to consider wet weather performance but I think Nittos offer a good compromise between streetability and off road performance which I never had any issues over 4 years with hitting intermediate trails and mild rock crawling. I thought my Nittos filled the niche between BFGs and a set of Revos or Michelins nicely.

I'm actually giving the new GY Duratracs a try since I wanted something new and they didn't kill my wallet too much.

Matt16 · 10-03-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-man

there is absolutely no reason for anyone with a tacoma to get an E rated tire - thats completly insane. E rated tires would be for a trailer, or a heavy van or dually. C rated is all you need, even D rated is overkill but sometimes its all you can get. No, you wont get any more mileage, just a sore back from the lack of sidewall flex.

There is a reason. Where else are you going to find a 32X9.5" tire? Tire manufacturers don't make enough skinny tires because there isn't enough demand (as they aren't aesthetically appealing to most).

cackalak han · 10-04-2009, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-AWDriver

On a daily driver in Colorado you have to consider wet weather performance but I think Nittos offer a good compromise between streetability and off road performance which I never had any issues over 4 years with hitting intermediate trails and mild rock crawling. I thought my Nittos filled the niche between BFGs and a set of Revos or Michelins nicely.

I'm actually giving the new GY Duratracs a try since I wanted something new and they didn't kill my wallet too much.

Well, we're pretty much in the same climate zone. I don't know why NTG's sucked so much for me. I guess maybe it was a bad batch. Subpar on road, off road, snow and rain. REVO's seemed just more planted on road and BFG's were alot better off.

I am also interested in the Duratrac's. You'll have to post up a review when you get them.

Smallwood0507 · 10-04-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cackalak han

BFG KO's are an offroad oriented tire. If you're worried about wet weather performance and general on road performance only, they are not the tires for you. But in my experience, Nitto's weren't that great, either. Mich AT and Bridgestone REVO's were much better.

KO's do trump all the other tires mentioned offroad, though.

so i also am looking at the mich a/t 2 since ive heard that their great in rain and snow, as well as dry roads, which is where i spend most of my time. But they only come in the p265/70/r16 size their p or passanger. would that be too soft? i do pull a 20' boat every once in a while to the lake thats only 4-5 miles from my house. Also the other choice would be lt265/75/r16 load range E. but id like to stay away form them since E , from the sounds of it, gives too rough of ride.

10-01-2009, 03:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
skjos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Orting, WA Posts: 305	I initially had a load range E BFG AT KO tire installed on my 4runner, and it did produce a moderatly harsher ride. I went back to Discount tire and they swapped them for load range C tires, the ride was improved, but the change wasn't super dramatic. I would stick with load range C tire, unless you're towing heavy stuff, or need the extra sidewall stiffness for off-roading. The C's should also be cheaper. __________________ 2002 4runner SR5 4x4 1994 Ext Cab Truck 4x4 (22R-E)

10-01-2009, 03:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	I have load range E on my Tacoma. I'm fine with the ride. Not even close to harsh. My tire size is 235/85/16. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

10-01-2009, 04:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
4rx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada, EH! Posts: 201	i used to have the firestone destination m/t load E. i had no problem at all. __________________ 1999 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 5-spd 35x10.50x16 Super Swamper Radial 3" 4Crawler BL 5.29's front/rear Bushwacker fender flares Interior: Eclipse CD5000 head unit Orion 2500d amp Two Orion 15H2 subs in 6 cubes tuned to 40hz Infinity References front/rear speakers

10-01-2009, 04:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
murdarunna19 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 332	i cant complain about my ats on my 4runner __________________ Matt D 2000 4runner. supercharged, flowmaster, 3" toytec lift, sitting on BFG 33's. 2009 fj, arb bumper, warn winch, bfg ats, 2" lift, IPFs. 4runner Build - http://www.yotatech.com/f191/murdaru...thread-190270/

10-01-2009, 08:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,893	I've heard the E rated tires lasting longer, but, that involves alot of variables. I'd personally go D or E, not C. __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe.

10-01-2009, 04:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
altf4 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 17	load range E will have a higher ply rating, meaning the sidewall is more stout, which means less give. Range E is overkill for your ride, i'd go with a D if they offer it, or a C if thats all they have. 2 cents

10-01-2009, 06:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
team_gforce Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gulf Coast, LA Posts: 24	currently running 265/75r16 cooper mt with load range e. the recommended psi is 80 and i run them at 65 (for highway driving). still way to high and the ride leaves a little to be desired. i will definatly be looking for a lower load range tire for the next set.

10-01-2009, 10:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
fattirerider Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 40	I've been looking for the ATs in this size too and from their specs sheet they only offer that size in an E rating. 2 different sidewall types though. What are we to do? http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/specs...t-a-ko/44.html __________________ '95 4runner 3.0 - BFG A/T 31X10.5 150k '96 4runner 3.4 - Limited E-Locker 64k

10-02-2009, 07:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	E is for vehicles weighing over 5000lbs and our 3rd gens are 1000 less than that and yes E is harsh which is why I went back to the tire place and got my TGs in the D load range. Some people like that hard ride and will tell you it's no big deal but if you put alot of miles on the street it'll be nocticeable plus you pay more for E which is dumb if you can get C or D for cheaper. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-02-2009, 07:29 AM	#13 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	Um, I drive 100+ miles per day and have no problems with my E rated tires. Plus, mine didn't cost any more. I'm in my 30's and I'm done with the loud exhaust, harsh suspension days, but I have zero complaints on the ride quality on these BFG's. Next set I get will be MT's also in load range E. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

10-02-2009, 08:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	You're in the minority and don't mind the stiff ride and most E rated tires do cost more to the rest of us. (Nittos Es are over $20 more a tire at Discount) Have you driven on D or C rated BFGs to compare with? I've driven a 4Runner shod with each within a few days and when I was downtown on our constuction zoned/potholed streets there was a noticeable diff. If I don't need Es then why would I buy them since on a 4000lb truck I don't see the advantage unless you tow. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-02-2009, 08:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
j-money$$$ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 54	i have 285/75/r16 bfg with a load range e on my 4runner, and they are completely fine. the stiffer sidewall is a good thing if you offroad, less chance of a sidewall puncture, i don't even know what the max psi is on my tires but i run the fronts around 28 psi and the back around 24. the lower pressure compensates for the stiffer tire. and if you were to run the at the max they woud be overinflated for the weight and would wear irregular. the ride is just the same as my last load range d dunflops

10-02-2009, 08:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	My previous set right before this was BFG D's. Honestly, I can't tell that much difference. It is NOT harsh at all. Reasons I like LRE is because of the tougher sidewalls and better stability, especially when towing. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

10-03-2009, 09:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	I swore I thought 265/75/16's came in LRD, but guess not. Be sure to get the one rated for severe snow. That is a good price on those tires, though. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

10-03-2009, 02:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
portercassidy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Colorado Plateau Posts: 15	Eureka Short Time Lurker, first time poster. This discussion prompted me to post my findings. I too am looking for a BFG AT 265/75/16. I just got back from Discount Tires and discussed this issue with a guy there. BFG does have a D rated tire, but it is a special order, and is going to take about 5 days to get wherever cause they do not make too many of them. They are more expensive, but might be the answer to some of you out there that thinks a E rated tire is overkill. TOYOTA'S Rock

10-03-2009, 03:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	Great tire off road but BFGs left a bit to be desired with their wet weather performance and their dry grip wasn't as good as my Nitto TGs. Simply a so-so tire in my experiences on them especially on a '97 4Runner I drove and on my GF's '94 Toy PU plus they are pricey. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-03-2009, 07:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	BFG KO's are an offroad oriented tire. If you're worried about wet weather performance and general on road performance only, they are not the tires for you. But in my experience, Nitto's weren't that great, either. Mich AT and Bridgestone REVO's were much better. KO's do trump all the other tires mentioned offroad, though. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

10-03-2009, 08:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	On a daily driver in Colorado you have to consider wet weather performance but I think Nittos offer a good compromise between streetability and off road performance which I never had any issues over 4 years with hitting intermediate trails and mild rock crawling. I thought my Nittos filled the niche between BFGs and a set of Revos or Michelins nicely. I'm actually giving the new GY Duratracs a try since I wanted something new and they didn't kill my wallet too much. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

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