Hanging off vehicles is dangerous - DON'T DO IT!

tc · 05-29-2007, 05:54 PM

During the TTORA Moab event in October 2006, one of the members of the CO chapter jumped onto a rig's slider to act as a couterbalance on the lower section of Moab Rim (just below Devil's Crack). He slipped off, received SERIOUS head trauma and was run over across the torso.

Fortunately, the rig was a relatively light truggy on 42's, so the unit pressure was quite low - probably the only reason he survived.

In these situations, the first activity should ALWAYS be to evaluate the situation, and see if the wheel is going to come down as the vehicle progresses.

If not, there are MANY options:
- back up, get out of the roll danger, reevaluate the line
- stack rocks
- attach a strap to another vehicle
- attach a strap/spotter rope and have people (generally more than one) on the end
- use a jack to lift the compressing side

As always, keep in mind that relatively minor injuries can become major and even fatal due to how remote we often are when these things happen. The guy above was VERY lucky that it was on THAT specific location of THAT specific trail (which actually has cell coverage and is not too far out of town)

Remember, rolled/endo'd rigs are replaceable - lives are not.

Ric · 05-29-2007, 06:05 PM

remember reading about that, hows he doing now ?

drguitarum2005 · 05-29-2007, 06:46 PM

good reminder. i think some of us tend to do some things to help out without really thinking about it first. being around something so heavy that is moving can be very dangerous.

fork · 05-29-2007, 06:55 PM

this is the first i've read about the guy at moab.. sorry to hear that

tc · 05-29-2007, 08:40 PM

He was in the hospital for a day or so, then his parents came and picked him up - last I heard he was doing OK. We saw him a few days after, and he looked, well, like he'd been hit by a truck! He was still kinda out of it too, but that may have been the pain meds.

tc · 05-29-2007, 08:44 PM

BTW - spotter rope:
http://www.4x4winch.com/item.cfm?itemid=21462

or even:
http://www.overtons.com/modperl/prod...i=10380&aID=1G

Ric · 05-29-2007, 09:04 PM

Quote:

this is the first i've read about the guy at moab.. sorry to hear that

i think they tried to keep it hush hush, but the whole story was online for bit. i could be wrong (again,lol)

spotter ropes are great, (from what ive seen) dont have one, but will, as soon as i get a new line, lol

sometimes, you dont have time to go back to a rig, fing the rope, secure it to the rig, but i really want one, as Im trying harder lines

89silverpu · 05-29-2007, 09:10 PM

Thats too bad, but didn't I recently see a post by a certain group of guys with like three guys hanging off the rear bumper as the truck almost endoed??

***Corey*** · 05-29-2007, 09:11 PM

I have thought of a spotter rope to carry for emergencies such as this, and I have a thread somewhere, maybe even this section on the one from www.winchline.com

Flygtenstein · 05-30-2007, 07:00 PM

You are calling Levi's truck light?

I cannot abide by a completely hands off approach. There is a difference between taking a known risk and being stupid. Just being on the trail is a risk.

Ric · 05-30-2007, 07:57 PM

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I cannot abide by a completely hands off approach. There is a difference between taking a known risk and being stupid. Just being on the trail is a risk.

very well said..

neliconcept · 05-30-2007, 08:25 PM

Ive seen this happen before, if you have a large group, like others have said sometimes its nearly too late, but if you can get the guys to balance the rig, (driver doesnt make a move at all) then get someone to run and get a tow strap and just tie it off, get the other guys too balance the rig with the strap in time for the guys hanging, to get off themselves, and then you have enough people to keep the balance for the truck to neither endo, roll, flip, flop whatever and all is done well

**Lysmachia** · 05-30-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by neliconcept

Ive seen this happen before, if you have a large group, like others have said sometimes its nearly too late, but if you can get the guys to balance the rig, (driver doesnt make a move at all) then get someone to run and get a tow strap and just tie it off, get the other guys too balance the rig with the strap in time for the guys hanging, to get off themselves, and then you have enough people to keep the balance for the truck to neither endo, roll, flip, flop whatever and all is done well

This is exactly what we did here with Rich's truck on Devil's crack.

We put weight on the back until we could get a strap on him.... THEN let the driver finish the line. So I do think that jumping on for stabilization can be ok. But it TRULY depends on the situation. In this picture the guys could easily hop off if the truck moved at ALL. The driver did not attempt to finish the line with them on it. We only stabilized the truck till we could get a strap on it. As a constant spotter - esp in Moab I often have my ARB strap with me for this reason (Like I carry it while walking the trail).

*HINT HINT... My birthday is coming up. I need a spotter rope troy*

The other problem though with pictures like this (And the recent one with the 3 guys) is that if you weren't there you may not know what the intent of the people were. The picture can easily be taken out of context and seen as irresponsible. Or the act itself was IN FACT irresponsible.

**Lysmachia** · 05-30-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ric

i think they tried to keep it hush hush, but the whole story was online for bit. i could be wrong (again,lol)

It wasn't hush hush... It was a TTORA event and so it was discussed more there. And there was some tension between the driver and the acidenter that got really difficult.

At any rate Jason is fine but he had severe bruising and some staples. I think Both Jason and Levi would admit they both made mistakes that allowed the accident to happen....

tc · 06-02-2007, 09:07 PM

Video showing the proper technique:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26594663174545

Google Video

881stGenRunner · 06-02-2007, 09:17 PM

cool video. Anyone have a link to the thread on TTORA discussing the accident with the truggy on 4D2s?

**Lysmachia** · 06-02-2007, 09:20 PM

It's buried somewhere under the TTORA Moab Takeover 2006 (October) thread. Sorry don't feel like searching. But if you look at posts made by pimptoy (the guy who got run over) you might be able to find something. Like I said it was not discussed much because it kind of ruined a friendship between him and the driver.

Dare44 · 12-06-2007, 08:33 PM

altho this is dangerous i have been thankful that people have done this for me before to keep my truck from going over which it was close to but yea i can see where the common sence to jump off the truck has to play a part to

05-29-2007, 05:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,818	Hanging off vehicles is dangerous - DON'T DO IT! During the TTORA Moab event in October 2006, one of the members of the CO chapter jumped onto a rig's slider to act as a couterbalance on the lower section of Moab Rim (just below Devil's Crack). He slipped off, received SERIOUS head trauma and was run over across the torso. Fortunately, the rig was a relatively light truggy on 42's, so the unit pressure was quite low - probably the only reason he survived. In these situations, the first activity should ALWAYS be to evaluate the situation, and see if the wheel is going to come down as the vehicle progresses. If not, there are MANY options: - back up, get out of the roll danger, reevaluate the line - stack rocks - attach a strap to another vehicle - attach a strap/spotter rope and have people (generally more than one) on the end - use a jack to lift the compressing side As always, keep in mind that relatively minor injuries can become major and even fatal due to how remote we often are when these things happen. The guy above was VERY lucky that it was on THAT specific location of THAT specific trail (which actually has cell coverage and is not too far out of town) Remember, rolled/endo'd rigs are replaceable - lives are not. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

05-29-2007, 06:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ric Banned - User requested Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: earth Posts: 4,526	remember reading about that, hows he doing now ? Last edited by Ric : 05-29-2007 at 06:29 PM.

05-29-2007, 06:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
drguitarum2005 Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston (home), Atlanta (school), Cincinnati (work) Posts: 2,209	good reminder. i think some of us tend to do some things to help out without really thinking about it first. being around something so heavy that is moving can be very dangerous. __________________ -David 2000 Taco TRD Access Cab v6 \| 5spd \| 33" BFG A/Ts \| 33" PC Mud Terrains \| OME 882's \| Bilstein HD struts front \| Rancho shocks rear \| Chevy 63" leaf spring swap \| Custom sliders \| Custom front bumper \|3" BL \| U-Bolt flip \| Flowmaster exhaust \| Kenwood Speakers \| Grey Wire Mod \| Aux. Reverse Lights \| Deckplate Mod \| Lots of lights Pictures

05-29-2007, 08:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,818	He was in the hospital for a day or so, then his parents came and picked him up - last I heard he was doing OK. We saw him a few days after, and he looked, well, like he'd been hit by a truck! He was still kinda out of it too, but that may have been the pain meds. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

05-29-2007, 08:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,818	BTW - spotter rope: http://www.4x4winch.com/item.cfm?itemid=21462 or even: http://www.overtons.com/modperl/prod...i=10380&aID=1G __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

05-29-2007, 06:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
fork Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: out in the pacific Posts: 597	this is the first i've read about the guy at moab.. sorry to hear that

05-29-2007, 09:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
89silverpu Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vacaville/Sierra Nevada Mountains, California/ Las Vegas, NV Posts: 853	Thats too bad, but didn't I recently see a post by a certain group of guys with like three guys hanging off the rear bumper as the truck almost endoed?? __________________ 89 pickup, 22re 5spd manual, 31's, K&N with Deckplate mod, Flowmaster 40, Bestop super top, Hella 500's, CB, MC rear bumper, Sliders, ext. diff. breathers, half doors, 60" high lift, smashed in right side of truck bed mod... "Finish your beer, there are sober kids in Africa"

05-29-2007, 09:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 23,771	I have thought of a spotter rope to carry for emergencies such as this, and I have a thread somewhere, maybe even this section on the one from www.winchline.com __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser ARB bumper, Warn XD9000, OME lift, roof top tent, so much more, see my website & buildup thread PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge

05-30-2007, 07:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,257	You are calling Levi's truck light? I cannot abide by a completely hands off approach. There is a difference between taking a known risk and being stupid. Just being on the trail is a risk. __________________ Ease on down the road.

05-30-2007, 08:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
neliconcept Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 0	Ive seen this happen before, if you have a large group, like others have said sometimes its nearly too late, but if you can get the guys to balance the rig, (driver doesnt make a move at all) then get someone to run and get a tow strap and just tie it off, get the other guys too balance the rig with the strap in time for the guys hanging, to get off themselves, and then you have enough people to keep the balance for the truck to neither endo, roll, flip, flop whatever and all is done well

06-02-2007, 09:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
881stGenRunner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 2,086	cool video. Anyone have a link to the thread on TTORA discussing the accident with the truggy on 4D2s? __________________ -Brandon 1988 4Runner SR5 4x4 V6 5 Speed Swap SDORI 1.5" BJ Spacers~Downey 26MM TBs~Downey 3" Springs~Downey Shackles~PC ES3000s~PC ES2000 SS~Motive Gear 5.29s~Rear Detroit~Front Lock-Rite~Yakima Load Warrior~33x12.5R15 Yoko Geolander M/Ts~Cragar 15x8 Streetlocks~Cobra 18 WXSTII~3' Firestik II~Marlin Crawler rear~Custom Front~4X Innovations Sliders~WabFab Bikini Kit~Optima Yellow Top~SS IFS Truss. My 4Runner and Other Stuff

06-02-2007, 09:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
Lysmachia Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,603	It's buried somewhere under the TTORA Moab Takeover 2006 (October) thread. Sorry don't feel like searching. But if you look at posts made by pimptoy (the guy who got run over) you might be able to find something. Like I said it was not discussed much because it kind of ruined a friendship between him and the driver. __________________ Molly aka Lysmachia 93 4 Runner SAS - All Fixed in Junk Yard Goodness Get your 4x4 VIDEO pr0n here

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Dare44 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: grass valley, ca Posts: 901	altho this is dangerous i have been thankful that people have done this for me before to keep my truck from going over which it was close to but yea i can see where the common sence to jump off the truck has to play a part to __________________ 1997 Toyota 4x4 SR5 4runner 3.4 auto Toytec 3 inch coil spring Lift Trail Gear Rock Sliders Maxxis Bighorn M/T's Amp Custom Rims Cobra CB, 5ft Firestik KC Daylighters http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3008195 Near Future List Bumpers Lockers 1st Gen Roll Bar Winning the Lottery?

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