Why does everyone trash IFS? - Page 3

86toylet · 03-29-2009, 07:20 PM

This thread is mute. Its been done so many times. If your a web wheeler sand guy then IFS is for you. If your a rock guy, a little hard core then do the SAS. If your an IFS guy defending superior junk then your @#$%&.

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Justinlhc · 03-29-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 86toylet

This thread is mute. Its been done so many times. If your a web wheeler sand guy then IFS is for you. If your a rock guy, a little hard core then do the SAS. If your an IFS guy defending superior junk then your @#$%&.

lol so if you have IFS you are a "web wheeler" and if you have a solid axle you're "hard core"? Sounds like an intelligent observation to me. Let me guess, you're one of the "hard core" solid axle guys?

Justinlhc · 03-29-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

do you have any "facts" saying im wrong?
do you even have any experience off road?

the only factual information i have are my experiences with both setups. I'm not talking tihs on ifs, i own both and ifs works well. but from my experiences a stock sa is stronger than stock ifs! maybe not for you, but for me it is. i have had less problems with my sa than with my ifs, all while having bigger tires and beating on it harder than i would ever have with my ifs. with my ifs i had to worry about lil wheel hops and turning to far under throttle becouse of breakage. not to mention the lack of flex ifs has, i know i know "flex is overrated".. that is until you have some

have you wheeled both setups?

what kind of wheeling do you do?

Are you seriously asking if I have experience off-road?

Yes, I've owned both and had more problems with the solid axle than with the IFS so I guess that proves IFS is better, right?

I don't think the majority of people who swap to a SFA really offroad in terrain that would require anything more than IFS. I think the pictures of guys "flexing" on the only rock or hill within 100 miles of their house is cute, but is that the extent of the "flexing" you do with your vehicle?

I'm not saying IFS is superior and I'm not saying a solid axle isn't a good setup. In stock form though, they aren't that far apart and they both have pros and cons. Just because you have a solid front axle doesn't mean you have the greatest thing to hit dirt and after that you are obligated to trash on anybody who has an IFS suspension.

Justinlhc · 03-29-2009, 07:55 PM

Oops!

gary96360 · 03-29-2009, 08:14 PM

my dad tells me older solid axle yotas flex the same amount as ifs. his friend had one and that thing could barely flex at all. i hate the ifs in my truck because it cant flex at all. i try to flex the front and one side of rear always lifts up. same thing happened to my solid axle dodge till i removed the sway bar

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Justinlhc

It's funny how all of the "hard core" SFA guys all have pictures of their superior trucks "flexing" in their sigs, most of which are in their front yards or in a concrete wash lol. I can drive around in my front yard or in a concrete wash with my IFS.

haha, you like my poser avatar shot

im surprised you dont have one

i could have used one of these

which one do you like?

seriously, i have wheeled more in the last few months than you probably have wheeled in your whole life.

do you have any pics of you wheeling at all?

what kind of trails do you run with those 31's?

BigBluePile · 03-29-2009, 08:43 PM

Do you have one from at the grocery store? I was there today and TOTALLY stalled on the speed bump thingy! Wicked steep!

Just thought that I would add to the pissing contest...

tc · 03-29-2009, 08:45 PM

Wow, pictures flexed out on pavement, mud, and snow ... wow, that stuffs HARDCORE!

... not like Oregon is known as the rockcrawling mecca of the USA.

I have taken my IFS truck on some of the hardest trails in CO with little breakage. A CV here and there, but it's not like anything is designed to withstand 39600 lb-ft of torque!

My desire to avoid body and glass damage and driver ability FAR limits my trail selection more than the front suspension of my rig.

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 08:56 PM

you like those

thats funny any real rockcrawler wold rather have a sa than a nice fender

bring your 33" at's to oregon and you will wish you were back on the rocks!

now all you sa envious web wheelers

toyospearo · 03-29-2009, 09:06 PM

would everyone please stop beatin this poor dead horse and help me with my buddies 85 head gasket issue so he can wheel is 85 SA.

hellfire · 03-29-2009, 09:09 PM

most of the trails around my area are sandstone in the hills or clay in the flats. i dont think IFS would hold upto the boulders you have to slide your axles across..

anyone who wheels in Australia buys their rigs with SAS, like the Nissan Patrols, Landcruisers, Land Rovers and pre 1997 Hiluxes.

Justinlhc · 03-29-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

haha, you like my poser avatar shot

im surprised you dont have one

i could have used one of these

which one do you like?

seriously, i have wheeled more in the last few months than you probably have wheeled in your whole life.

do you have any pics of you wheeling at all?

what kind of trails do you run with those 31's?

Sorry, no poser shots of me in snow or mud. Those look pretty "hardcore" though. I'm sure you really needed a SFA to handle all that snow and mud.

No way in hell IFS would make it in mud or snow lol.

We all know that 31's can't offroad anyways so I wouldn't even be abe to compete with your massive hardcore-ness offroading machine.

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 09:34 PM

not even of one at the mall?

those pics were to show you that i actually wheel, not to show off my sexy sa

(notice the ifs rig behind me?)

i was just explaining my experiences with the two, didn't mean to hurt your feelers.
that sucks you dont have any wheeling info to share with us there flatlander.

85excab · 03-29-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tc

Wow, pictures flexed out on pavement, mud, and snow ... wow, that stuffs HARDCORE!

... not like Oregon is known as the rockcrawling mecca of the USA.

I have taken my IFS truck on some of the hardest trails in CO with little breakage. A CV here and there, but it's not like anything is designed to withstand 39600 lb-ft of torque!

My desire to avoid body and glass damage and driver ability FAR limits my trail selection more than the front suspension of my rig.

really? the hardest trails in co? really?
u must be talking about the weak eastern slope trails, cause ifs wont hold up on the western slope trails, and 35's are a minumum tire size for alot of them, so u must call wheeling all the gravel roads u drive on

Justinlhc · 03-29-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

not even of one at the mall?

those pics were to show you that i actually wheel, not to show off my sexy sa

(notice the ifs rig behind me?)

i was just explaining my experiences with the two, didn't mean to hurt your feelers.
that sucks you dont have any wheeling info to share with us there flatlander.

You're such a poser lol. Those pictures were probably the only few times you've been off pavement. Sorry I don't bother to stop and take poser shots when I'm offroading to prove that I take my vehicles offroad. When I go offroad I don't stop and think "OMG the guys on the web will want to see how my mad tyte SAS is working out for me!!!"

You're probably asking yourself "Why am I a poser?". Well, from what I see in your super badass pictures....you don't need a SFA. You could have done ANY of that sissy crap in an IFS vehicle. You did a SAS for internet poser points.

You're probably running open diff's too, right?

85excab · 03-29-2009, 09:56 PM

i challenge anyone of u with ifs to come wheeling with me next weekend, and we will see how well your ifs does.

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 09:59 PM

hahaha i love it, keep it coming!

poor newb, you have alot of learning to do.

im done wasting my time on you flatlander, im going to let you take it from here.

besides, i have some under glow that i need to install on my 91, its gonna be dope. ill post pics later

85excab · 03-29-2009, 10:05 PM

underglow? sounds like a sweet mod, are u gonna do the homemede intake mod next?

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 10:07 PM

oh ya

i have this wing idea for the tailgate, its gonna look sick

85excab · 03-29-2009, 10:10 PM

nice, i happen to have a spare wing off an 87 supra, it even has a brake light for another mod

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 10:12 PM

got a lambo door kit? i would rather have that first.

85excab · 03-29-2009, 10:18 PM

nope, none of those left, but in all seriousness, got a pic of the cb in your dash? i have one i need to find a home for, and can u still hear outta the speaker

1989toy4wd · 03-29-2009, 10:24 PM

The only reason I did a SAS was because everything on the front of my truck was worn out, so to me it just seemed pointless to spend a thousand dollars on something that I eventually would want to change out. And I can now fit 37s without a body lift!

My next toyota will be IFS though, I want to build an expedition type rig, and IFS seems like the way to go...

IFS is also better for muddin

more ground clearance!!

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 10:30 PM

dang, ill guess ill take that wing then

sorry i dont. yea i can still hear it ok, could be better though.

the lil cheap cobra i have fits in the ashtray slot perfect.

1989toy4wd · 03-29-2009, 10:32 PM

Why do people try and talk smack over the internet...we dont care how cool you think you are, but it really just makes you look like a douche

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tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,372	Wow, pictures flexed out on pavement, mud, and snow ... wow, that stuffs HARDCORE! ... not like Oregon is known as the rockcrawling mecca of the USA. I have taken my IFS truck on some of the hardest trails in CO with little breakage. A CV here and there, but it's not like anything is designed to withstand 39600 lb-ft of torque! My desire to avoid body and glass damage and driver ability FAR limits my trail selection more than the front suspension of my rig. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

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hellfire Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 151	most of the trails around my area are sandstone in the hills or clay in the flats. i dont think IFS would hold upto the boulders you have to slide your axles across.. anyone who wheels in Australia buys their rigs with SAS, like the Nissan Patrols, Landcruisers, Land Rovers and pre 1997 Hiluxes. __________________ 1989 Toyota Pickup Dual Cab 22R, 5sp, SAS, 4.88s, 2 inch lift Last edited by hellfire; 03-29-2009 at 09:10 PM.

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85excab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Junction, Co Posts: 458	i challenge anyone of u with ifs to come wheeling with me next weekend, and we will see how well your ifs does. __________________ i drive by brail. Rock Solid Motorsports http://www.rocksolidmotorsports.net/ http://www.lunatic4x4.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45

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85excab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Junction, Co Posts: 458	underglow? sounds like a sweet mod, are u gonna do the homemede intake mod next? __________________ i drive by brail. Rock Solid Motorsports http://www.rocksolidmotorsports.net/ http://www.lunatic4x4.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45

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85excab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Junction, Co Posts: 458	nice, i happen to have a spare wing off an 87 supra, it even has a brake light for another mod __________________ i drive by brail. Rock Solid Motorsports http://www.rocksolidmotorsports.net/ http://www.lunatic4x4.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45

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85excab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Junction, Co Posts: 458	nope, none of those left, but in all seriousness, got a pic of the cb in your dash? i have one i need to find a home for, and can u still hear outta the speaker __________________ i drive by brail. Rock Solid Motorsports http://www.rocksolidmotorsports.net/ http://www.lunatic4x4.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45

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1989toy4wd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Beaumont, Tx Posts: 949	The only reason I did a SAS was because everything on the front of my truck was worn out, so to me it just seemed pointless to spend a thousand dollars on something that I eventually would want to change out. And I can now fit 37s without a body lift! My next toyota will be IFS though, I want to build an expedition type rig, and IFS seems like the way to go... IFS is also better for muddin more ground clearance!! __________________ -Colton- 1989 Toyota Pickup DLX, 22RE, 5-spd, 5-in SAS, Detroit back, ARB front, longs, 37/13R15 Boggers, Marlin front and rear bumpers, Marlin sliders, Ramsey Patriot 9500 winch with synthetic line, Hi-angle D/S F&R, diff breathers, rebuilt tranny, 22RE bored .20 over completely rebuilt (it feels great to not have to buy 2 cases of oil a month!!), whole truck built in memory of my dad (RIP 6-26-08) Daily driver & tow vehicle: 02 Dodge 2500 Diesel, 5-speed, 4wd, quad cab, longbed, 128k miles

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1989toy4wd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Beaumont, Tx Posts: 949	Why do people try and talk smack over the internet...we dont care how cool you think you are, but it really just makes you look like a douche __________________ -Colton- 1989 Toyota Pickup DLX, 22RE, 5-spd, 5-in SAS, Detroit back, ARB front, longs, 37/13R15 Boggers, Marlin front and rear bumpers, Marlin sliders, Ramsey Patriot 9500 winch with synthetic line, Hi-angle D/S F&R, diff breathers, rebuilt tranny, 22RE bored .20 over completely rebuilt (it feels great to not have to buy 2 cases of oil a month!!), whole truck built in memory of my dad (RIP 6-26-08) Daily driver & tow vehicle: 02 Dodge 2500 Diesel, 5-speed, 4wd, quad cab, longbed, 128k miles

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