Why does everyone trash IFS? - Page 2

yoder519 · 03-28-2009, 07:22 AM

toyota4x4907.... just face it. we'll never be cool enough for a SFA. no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that we look awesome with IFS

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toyota4x4907 · 03-28-2009, 07:28 AM

dude, I would get a LT kit before I SAS

SFA is for people who aren't cool to begin with....

sorta....

Ron's 85 · 03-28-2009, 08:02 AM

it may be true that sfa and ifs are eqaully strong stock, but who wheels a stock truck!!! my 85 runner is a hobby/project and i love to tweak it here and there. by the way before we straight axled my co-workers 89 pickup he broke his drop diff mounts everytime we went out. of couse he was runnin 36inch tsl's and loves to put his foot through the floor!!!!!

4banginRunner · 03-28-2009, 09:00 AM

I've driven both SA and IFS, SA is alot better IMO. IFS has to many moving parts that tend to go wrong for me.

I wheel my IFS pretty hard...just waiting for it all to explode...then SAS time

algranger · 03-28-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by toyota4x4907

Heh. I actually think IFS looks better than a SFA, especially in LT form

Even before I knew the difference between chevy, ford, Toyota, etc., I loved the look of the big skid plate on IFS Toyotas.

I think ifs looks better too but who gives a rats ass what your front end looks like.... it's the nice rear ends that i'm into

toyospearo · 03-28-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by algranger

I think ifs looks better too but who gives a rats ass what your front end looks like.... it's the nice rear ends that i'm into

ahhahahhahah

Justinlhc · 03-28-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 85excab

i wheeled ifs for a yr, and broke the ring and pinyon and spider gears up front along with wearing out the idler arm and breaking a short side shaft. so ifs is weak, and cant handle the abuse i put my truck through

So you drove your truck off-road very hard for a year and some stuff broke and wore out after a year of this so now you claim it's weak?

I'd hate to tell you this, but a SFA has all of the parts you named(most SFA anyways)and they WILL break and wear out over time.

SFA doesn't not=indestructible, especially in stock form.

If we're comparing a stock IFS to a stock SFA setup I would say the ONLY advantage of the SFA is better articulation. Obviously when you start dumping gobs of money into either one you can't really compare them equally.

stagger_lee · 03-28-2009, 09:50 AM

I love my IFS in the dunes.

algranger · 03-28-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Justinlhc

If we're comparing a stock IFS to a stock SFA setup I would say the ONLY advantage of the SFA is better articulation. Obviously when you start dumping gobs of money into either one you can't really compare them equally.

I disagree.
Stock sfa vs stock ifs they are just about the same. You have near the same strength, within a few inches of flex, not much difference.

Then add $600 to the equation.
Ifs with $600 could have a drop bracket lift and a fancy skid plate you know stuff like that

Sfa with $600 could have a longfeild setup and some flexy springs.

Now you have an ifs thats basically stock strength and travel, its just farther from the truck. And your sfa is basically bulletproof and super flexy

THATS what people like about sfa.

It takes a whole lot of money and work to buy and install long travel ifs

BigBluePile · 03-28-2009, 06:12 PM

Indeed. Trust me there's days where I look at the money invested in to my IFS and it could have easily covered a SAS with upgrades.

toyospearo · 03-28-2009, 06:13 PM

I'll tell you what. I have spent so damn much money on my SAS so far the damn thing better get out from under the truck and take ME wheeling

86toylet · 03-28-2009, 06:19 PM

I think if your SAS is costing too much money, there is financial help. Go to ObamaforSAS.gov and he can bail you out.

toyospearo · 03-28-2009, 06:33 PM

why not?? I figure a good SAS bailout is as important to the economy as any big mortgage bailout.

Justinlhc · 03-28-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by algranger

I disagree.
Stock sfa vs stock ifs they are just about the same. You have near the same strength, within a few inches of flex, not much difference.

Isn't that what I said?

You can't compare a bracket drop IFS kit to lift springs. To make that comparison fair you would have to compare a bracket drop IFS kit to an add a leaf or a spring spacer(for coils).

tc · 03-29-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by algranger

I disagree.
Stock sfa vs stock ifs they are just about the same. You have near the same strength, within a few inches of flex, not much difference.

Then add $600 to the equation.
Ifs with $600 could have a drop bracket lift and a fancy skid plate you know stuff like that

Sfa with $600 could have a longfeild setup and some flexy springs.

Now you have an ifs thats basically stock strength and travel, its just farther from the truck. And your sfa is basically bulletproof and super flexy

THATS what people like about sfa.

It takes a whole lot of money and work to buy and install long travel ifs

Your prices are off a bit. Longfields by themselves are >$600... and if you're talking about starting with a stock SFA rig, you need to include highsteer (and a new steering box) in there... and if you want to run >35's, you need to move the spring hangers ... truss, diff armor, etc. If you do ALL that, yes, you have eliminated the weak links and are indeed much stronger than IFS will ever be. You're looking somewhere in the $1500-$2000 range at this point - still cheaper than long travel, but not by much, and if you have to pay someone to do the welding, then the gap narrows further... and you're still open diffs and not geared for the larger tires.

Conversely, you could spend that $2000 on gears/lockers front and rear and make ANY open/open SFA rig look stupid on the trails...

Jay351 · 03-29-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by algranger

I think ifs looks better too but who gives a rats ass what your front end looks like.... it's the nice rear ends that i'm into

Nothin like a good A$$ shot

Slowstrike · 03-29-2009, 11:02 AM

Im gonna post a picture of my tie rod on the bent idler arm side where it hits the frame haha I bend idler arms about 2 min after I put them in.

I do also wheel the crap out of my IFS and I do end up on the end of a winchline quite often, almost tipped with one rear wheel over 3 feet off the ground quite often and yelling at my friend to let not let slack in the winch line quite often.

IFS wheels pretty good on trails it just has more components to be out of line than SFA and is a chain reaction, when the Idler bends it throws the whole system out of alignment.

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 11:19 AM

you guys are all high lol..

i have both, ifs is for going to the mall! if you think ifs is tough, then you probably don't wheel much. i couldn't make my ifs last with 35's lol. and as for stock ifs vs a stock SA.. lol ok there buddy

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to the op. take a look here http://www.advanceadapters.com/ they have it all..

91Toyota · 03-29-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

you guys are all high lol..

i have both, ifs is for going to the mall! if you think ifs is tough, then you probably don't wheel much. i couldn't make my ifs last with 35's lol. and as for stock ifs vs a stock SA.. lol ok there buddy

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to the op. take a look here http://www.advanceadapters.com/ they have it all..

Apparently I break all my flywheel bolts before I break my IFS. Strong enough for me

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 91Toyota

Apparently I break all my flywheel bolts before I break my IFS. Strong enough for me

haha, i seen that!! theres always a lucky few

you get those out yet?

Justinlhc · 03-29-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

and as for stock ifs vs a stock SA.. lol ok there buddy

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Do you have ANY facts or information you would like to add to prove otherwise?

tc · 03-29-2009, 05:29 PM

Both SA and IFS have pretty much the same amount of moving parts - you just can't see them with a SFA.

TOYOTA 1 · 03-29-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Justinlhc

Do you have ANY facts or information you would like to add to prove otherwise?

do you have any "facts" saying im wrong?
do you even have any experience off road?

the only factual information i have are my experiences with both setups. I'm not talking tihs on ifs, i own both and ifs works well. but from my experiences a stock sa is stronger than stock ifs! maybe not for you, but for me it is. i have had less problems with my sa than with my ifs, all while having bigger tires and beating on it harder than i would ever have with my ifs. with my ifs i had to worry about lil wheel hops and turning to far under throttle becouse of breakage. not to mention the lack of flex ifs has, i know i know "flex is overrated".. that is until you have some

have you wheeled both setups?

what kind of wheeling do you do?

Trustyrusty · 03-29-2009, 06:11 PM

Stock Vs. Stock
-IFS is a bit stronger then a stock SFA
-Stock SFA axle flexes a bit better
-IFS has higher ground clearance stock

It does ok, but I'd rather have a SFA.

BigBluePile · 03-29-2009, 06:13 PM

03-28-2009, 07:28 AM	#27 (permalink)
toyota4x4907 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Posts: 2,335	dude, I would get a LT kit before I SAS SFA is for people who aren't cool to begin with.... sorta.... __________________ '95 4runner\|22re\|5spd\|130K miles\|ISR\| 2" BL\| 31x10.5 \| CompuStar Auto-start\| two 170mm LightForce\|anti-sway bars removed f/r\|Warn manual hubs\|ADD bypassed\|Diff breather extensions\|XLPerformance muffler '88 4runner\|22re\|5spd\|206K miles\|Sold '93 single cab\|22re\|5spd\|150K miles\|Sold\| Pro IFS

03-28-2009, 09:00 AM	#29 (permalink)
4banginRunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: With all the Ho Butts in Mount Carmel, PA Posts: 1,706	I've driven both SA and IFS, SA is alot better IMO. IFS has to many moving parts that tend to go wrong for me. I wheel my IFS pretty hard...just waiting for it all to explode...then SAS time __________________ 87 Toyota 4Runner 22RE--5spd swap (W56)--4.56s--BJ spacers--Pro Comp Stage II 4" bracket lift--63" Chevys w/2" blocks--40 series--late style steering box swap--BudBuilt Dual Case X-member--V6 calipers--32s--MC rear bumper--SAS parts collecting time... *79 Toyota Longbed 4x4* Frame-off Resto time. *04 GMC Sierra 1500* the DD

03-28-2009, 06:13 PM	#36 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,584	I'll tell you what. I have spent so damn much money on my SAS so far the damn thing better get out from under the truck and take ME wheeling __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/ Last edited by toyospearo; 03-28-2009 at 06:14 PM.

03-28-2009, 06:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,584	why not?? I figure a good SAS bailout is as important to the economy as any big mortgage bailout. __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/ Last edited by toyospearo; 03-28-2009 at 06:35 PM.

03-29-2009, 11:02 AM	#42 (permalink)
Slowstrike Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: ABQ New mexico Posts: 142	Im gonna post a picture of my tie rod on the bent idler arm side where it hits the frame haha I bend idler arms about 2 min after I put them in. I do also wheel the crap out of my IFS and I do end up on the end of a winchline quite often, almost tipped with one rear wheel over 3 feet off the ground quite often and yelling at my friend to let not let slack in the winch line quite often. IFS wheels pretty good on trails it just has more components to be out of line than SFA and is a chain reaction, when the Idler bends it throws the whole system out of alignment. __________________ 93 22re, 5.29 ring and pinion ,Limited slip rear (downey), 3 inch body lift, pushing 33/12.5, Allpro front bumper, downey headers, flow master exhaust.

03-28-2009, 08:02 AM	#28 (permalink)
Ron's 85 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: bellingham,wa Posts: 218	it may be true that sfa and ifs are eqaully strong stock, but who wheels a stock truck!!! my 85 runner is a hobby/project and i love to tweak it here and there. by the way before we straight axled my co-workers 89 pickup he broke his drop diff mounts everytime we went out. of couse he was runnin 36inch tsl's and loves to put his foot through the floor!!!!!

03-28-2009, 06:19 PM	#37 (permalink)
86toylet Banned 'cause I was 4runnerchevy also banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Cruz Mountains Posts: 196	I think if your SAS is costing too much money, there is financial help. Go to ObamaforSAS.gov and he can bail you out.

03-29-2009, 05:29 PM	#47 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,376	Both SA and IFS have pretty much the same amount of moving parts - you just can't see them with a SFA. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

03-29-2009, 06:11 PM	#49 (permalink)
Trustyrusty Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: (Rednecks Inbreed In) Kansas Posts: 1,349	Stock Vs. Stock -IFS is a bit stronger then a stock SFA -Stock SFA axle flexes a bit better -IFS has higher ground clearance stock It does ok, but I'd rather have a SFA. __________________ 1995.5 Tacoma 4X4 3.4-Jardine Catback, 20% Tint, Cold Air Intake, Skid Plates etc... 1987 Toyota 4Runner 1986 Toyota 4X4-SOLD

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