Why does everyone trash IFS?

sandman608 · 03-27-2009, 04:31 PM

why does everybody trash IFS except for the fact that articulation is limited? I have wheeled an 88 P/U for about 8yrs. know & have yet to blow an axle shaft my truck has a Lock Rite in the rear "by the way it's about 12yrs old & still running fine" 4" susp. 3" body extended shackles with Downey 2.5" spring's & major fender trimming in front with the cutom flat bed,& I am running 38x12.5x15" swampers with factory gearing & yes I pound the piss out of it.My problem is Engines I cannot get a 22RE to live longer than a couple of trips wheeling that's what lead me hear to look into V8 conv. any advice on step's & cost for this new venture would be greatly appriciated thank's for the help

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Junkers88 · 03-27-2009, 04:40 PM

IFS sucks.....

Tune your 22rre and run it. Gear it right and it'll take you anywhere.

tc · 03-27-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman608

why does everybody trash IFS except for the fact that articulation is limited?

Because they are a bunch of sheeple that read on here that you got to have a SFA if your tires ever see even a dirt road or that your front end will just explode instead of getting out and actually 'wheeling their junk and finding out what the truth is.

Jay351 · 03-27-2009, 05:12 PM

Webwheelers!

People think you need gobs of wheel travel and articulation to wheel... But as we all know, thats not always the case!

I bet you could make one of those 22re's live longer with some proper gears!!!!!!!!!!

BigBluePile · 03-27-2009, 05:34 PM

For the love of pete R E G E A R ! ! !

IFS is fine.

Dbl. E · 03-27-2009, 05:46 PM

People tend to look past the fact that stock Toyota birf's in a SFA aren't exactly reliable if you wheel it either(especially with 38's). I bet you can change a broken CV faster than you can change a broken birf. Aside from that I don't know why a 22r would only last a few trips.

Justinlhc · 03-27-2009, 06:20 PM

I don't need super massive articulation for the off-roading I do so IFS works perfectly fine for me. I've had 4WD's with solid axles and they wheeled very well off-road, but I don't think my IFS suspension has failed at anything my old solid axles would have made it thru.

I think good tires, lockers(at least in the rear)and a decent set of shocks will take you just about anywhere you want to go. A good driver helps, too.

86toylet · 03-27-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman608

why does everybody trash IFS

Cause if its chopped up right, it fits in your blue recycle bin !

neoworm0 · 03-27-2009, 06:48 PM

I don't trash IFS but I have to admit I do like my SA better. My SA is just way more stable when I'm wheeling. I'm just not a fan of getting tippy.

I think the IFS is plenty strong enough in it's STOCK form. Only time I had issues with it was after putting in a bracket lift. After that reliability went out the window. For most wheeling I think the IFS is fine. It sure rides a hell of a lot better on the logging roads than my SA. Given a choice though I'll take the SA for wheeling.

algranger · 03-27-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tc

Because they are a bunch of sheeple that read on here that you got to have a SFA if your tires ever see even a dirt road or that your front end will just explode instead of getting out and actually 'wheeling their junk and finding out what the truth is.

Well said.

Ifs is fine for 90% of people's wheeling needs. Flex is overrated lockers and tires will get you there.

The reason people like sfa is you can give a straight axle about 800 bucks and it will be basically indestructable. Some longfeilds, knuckleball gussets, trusses, diff armor and you've got a mean setup. Ifs on the other had has to be completely replaced with an aftermarket system to be that strong. Do you need that much strength? Probably not unless you are that hardcore. (most people arent even if they think they are heheh)

And people think their sfa is the s*** just cause it's there.. it's not. Stock sfa is no better than stock ifs.

You have the right idea. You know from experience that it doesnt present problems like people say it does

Sfa is a lot more stable when your tackling obsticles cause if articulates to the terrain where as ifs would bring the vehicle off camber instead. There is a reason people knock ifs but they dont know from EXPERIENCE what they're talking about (for the most part)

Pay no attention to the web-wheelers

algranger · 03-27-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBluePile

For the love of pete R E G E A R ! ! !

IFS is fine.

Oh and i was there with this guy ^^ he was tackling all sorts of off camber stuff on that stretch in the picuture no problem

And yeah the flex sucks but pick the right line and your good to go

BigBluePile · 03-27-2009, 08:21 PM

Bottom line: SFA, IFS or tank tracks...just wheel it!

algranger · 03-27-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBluePile

Bottom line: SFA, IFS or tank tracks...just wheel it!

I like your style

Trustyrusty · 03-27-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman608

why does everybody trash IFS except for the fact that articulation is limited? I have wheeled an 88 P/U for about 8yrs. know & have yet to blow an axle shaft my truck has a Lock Rite in the rear "by the way it's about 12yrs old & still running fine" 4" susp. 3" body extended shackles with Downey 2.5" spring's & major fender trimming in front with the cutom flat bed,& I am running 38x12.5x15" swampers with factory gearing & yes I pound the piss out of it.My problem is Engines I cannot get a 22RE to live longer than a couple of trips wheeling that's what lead me hear to look into V8 conv. any advice on step's & cost for this new venture would be greatly appriciated thank's for the help

Oh I don't know, maybe because it DOES suck..

Sweet Flex huh? If you ain't broke nothin you probably wheel like a woman on 38's I've busted a 4.10 R&P on 33's...

IFS is ok, Personally I would rather have a stock IFS truck Vs. a stock SFA truck, the IFS will generally flex more, and has slightly higher front diff clearance, along with better on road ride and you can pre-run the hell out of it. But for anything else, SAS it or go home, I wheel IFS, it don't flex for crap, but if all you do is hillbilly muddin, and trails its fine...

toyospearo · 03-27-2009, 08:54 PM

For no other reason than IFS is just plain ugly! If you look at the front of a Yota with IFS it looks like the mouth of a person with crooked and missing teeth!
IFS- Crooked and missing teeth

SA- straight teeth

swapped89 · 03-27-2009, 09:06 PM

because they cut it off and put on a SAS

Ed H. · 03-27-2009, 11:08 PM

i have a sfa truck i got it stock for 800.00 at a tow yard, I did not buy any other yota because of the price, i would like to have ifs for on road manners, and the steering linkage is out of the way stock i like that alot. Most of them have fuel injection as well. Even if you want to have a bad a$$ sfa truck you have to replace all the weak parts anyways. Its just less cutting when you start with one that already has a sfa.

Trustyrusty · 03-27-2009, 11:24 PM

Miswell start IFS... Then you got the trick wider rear axle, more chance of EFI, nicer, newer, bitchin steering.. etc... Heck its only spring hangers you gotta weld on..

85excab · 03-28-2009, 12:27 AM

i wheeled ifs for a yr, and broke the ring and pinyon and spider gears up front along with wearing out the idler arm and breaking a short side shaft. so ifs is weak, and cant handle the abuse i put my truck through

YodaPala · 03-28-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tc

Because they are a bunch of sheeple that read on here that you got to have a SFA if your tires ever see even a dirt road or that your front end will just explode instead of getting out and actually 'wheeling their junk and finding out what the truth is.

I'll drink to that.........sheeple ha ha!!!!

85excab · 03-28-2009, 01:39 AM

i'll drink, but not to ifs (inferior front suspension)

904_runner · 03-28-2009, 03:46 AM

I disliked my ifs...

Sure it works fine.. I never broke anything, but i wanted a project..
Sure the flex on ifs is horrible, but oh well.

Personally... I like how the Sfa rides.. I feel it was much better than how the ifs was. Both on road and off, i like it more than the ifs

sandman608 · 03-28-2009, 06:03 AM

OK,I am not argueing that SFA is'nt better just that with good driving skill IFS will work nearly as good.As far as why I keep blowing up motor's dont know. I do drive with a make it or brake it attitude & the terraine in WI. is mostly mud, small to med. rock gardens & hill climbs. So anyway still looking for info on V8 swap step's & cost? I have a TBI 350 that I pulled from my wife's 88 Blazer that I built for her & I am tired of riding with her & getting crap from all of your "friends" any help to putting me back in my Yoda ?

yoder519 · 03-28-2009, 07:05 AM

sandman608. you got 38s on stock gears!!???? holy slow yota. i thought mine was slow with stock gears and 33x12.50s. guess i cant whine no more about being slow. not being mean, but can you still use 5th gear

toyota4x4907 · 03-28-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by toyospearo

For no other reason than IFS is just plain ugly! If you look at the front of a Yota with IFS it looks like the mouth of a person with crooked and missing teeth!
IFS- Crooked and missing teeth

SA- straight teeth

Heh. I actually think IFS looks better than a SFA, especially in LT form

Even before I knew the difference between chevy, ford, Toyota, etc., I loved the look of the big skid plate on IFS Toyotas.

03-27-2009, 04:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Junkers88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 2,776	IFS sucks..... Tune your 22rre and run it. Gear it right and it'll take you anywhere. __________________ RB4R Life Member. 1989 SR5 4runner. Tread Wright 31/10.50/15's. 4.56 thirds, an Aussie in the @$$, Budbuilt plate, Marlin Crawler front, modified MC rear, Supra MAF conversion, ZUK coils in the rear and 4crawler BJ's in the front, LCE header.

03-27-2009, 05:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,630	Webwheelers! People think you need gobs of wheel travel and articulation to wheel... But as we all know, thats not always the case! I bet you could make one of those 22re's live longer with some proper gears!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

03-27-2009, 05:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dbl. E Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 40	People tend to look past the fact that stock Toyota birf's in a SFA aren't exactly reliable if you wheel it either(especially with 38's). I bet you can change a broken CV faster than you can change a broken birf. Aside from that I don't know why a 22r would only last a few trips. __________________ 87 4-Runner beater E-locker, Sway-a-Way T-bars, Bilsteins, BJ spacers, 285/70R17 KM2's, 63" Chevy's soon 2001 Cummins Dodge- to much to list

03-27-2009, 06:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
Justinlhc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 646	I don't need super massive articulation for the off-roading I do so IFS works perfectly fine for me. I've had 4WD's with solid axles and they wheeled very well off-road, but I don't think my IFS suspension has failed at anything my old solid axles would have made it thru. I think good tires, lockers(at least in the rear)and a decent set of shocks will take you just about anywhere you want to go. A good driver helps, too. __________________ 1993 4Runner SR5 3.oh 5speed 232k+ miles. Mostly for the trails and beach. Mods so far: Thorley headers, 4.30 gears, Rancho 5way shocks, AISIN hubs, LockRight rear locker, no sway bars.....32x11.50 BFG M/T's on 15x8 Cragar Soft8's.

03-27-2009, 06:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
neoworm0 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Vancouver, BC Posts: 604	I don't trash IFS but I have to admit I do like my SA better. My SA is just way more stable when I'm wheeling. I'm just not a fan of getting tippy. I think the IFS is plenty strong enough in it's STOCK form. Only time I had issues with it was after putting in a bracket lift. After that reliability went out the window. For most wheeling I think the IFS is fine. It sure rides a hell of a lot better on the logging roads than my SA. Given a choice though I'll take the SA for wheeling. __________________ 1995 Toyota PU SR5. 2000 3.4l V6 and a few other mods. my album: http://www.yotatech.com/album.php?albumid=101 my SAS: http://picasaweb.google.com/areinhol...eat=directlink www.overlandcanada.ca www.alltracwagon.net Last edited by neoworm0; 03-27-2009 at 06:50 PM.

03-27-2009, 08:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,576	For no other reason than IFS is just plain ugly! If you look at the front of a Yota with IFS it looks like the mouth of a person with crooked and missing teeth! IFS- Crooked and missing teeth SA- straight teeth __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/ Last edited by toyospearo; 03-27-2009 at 09:02 PM.

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swapped89 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: B-TOWN, Oregon Posts: 564	because they cut it off and put on a SAS __________________ SAS 89,trussed, bobbed, Trail Gear front & rear 5''. 3.0 V6 cold air k&N, 40 ser. flowmaster, 5speed, HP ARB font diff, Marlin Crawler inner's and marfields. 5.29 yukons, Detroit rear, 35''x13.5 toyo's. Steadily growing body damage. Two way alarm, TG rock defense bumper, Warn 8000, TG crossmember,geard rive t-case w/marlin XD 4.7s. TG Sliders, some day dual cases and a cage

03-27-2009, 11:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ed H. Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oakley Ca Posts: 247	i have a sfa truck i got it stock for 800.00 at a tow yard, I did not buy any other yota because of the price, i would like to have ifs for on road manners, and the steering linkage is out of the way stock i like that alot. Most of them have fuel injection as well. Even if you want to have a bad a$$ sfa truck you have to replace all the weak parts anyways. Its just less cutting when you start with one that already has a sfa. __________________ i am pretty much open to anything, atleast until i get lockers. Last edited by Ed H.; 03-27-2009 at 11:10 PM.

03-27-2009, 11:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Trustyrusty Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: (Rednecks Inbreed In) Kansas Posts: 1,349	Miswell start IFS... Then you got the trick wider rear axle, more chance of EFI, nicer, newer, bitchin steering.. etc... Heck its only spring hangers you gotta weld on.. __________________ 1995.5 Tacoma 4X4 3.4-Jardine Catback, 20% Tint, Cold Air Intake, Skid Plates etc... 1987 Toyota 4Runner 1986 Toyota 4X4-SOLD

03-28-2009, 12:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
85excab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Junction, Co Posts: 458	i wheeled ifs for a yr, and broke the ring and pinyon and spider gears up front along with wearing out the idler arm and breaking a short side shaft. so ifs is weak, and cant handle the abuse i put my truck through __________________ i drive by brail. Rock Solid Motorsports http://www.rocksolidmotorsports.net/ http://www.lunatic4x4.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45

03-28-2009, 01:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
85excab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Junction, Co Posts: 458	i'll drink, but not to ifs (inferior front suspension) __________________ i drive by brail. Rock Solid Motorsports http://www.rocksolidmotorsports.net/ http://www.lunatic4x4.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45

03-28-2009, 03:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	I disliked my ifs... Sure it works fine.. I never broke anything, but i wanted a project.. Sure the flex on ifs is horrible, but oh well. Personally... I like how the Sfa rides.. I feel it was much better than how the ifs was. Both on road and off, i like it more than the ifs __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-28-2009, 06:03 AM	#23 (permalink)
sandman608 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South Western Wis. Posts: 7	OK,I am not argueing that SFA is'nt better just that with good driving skill IFS will work nearly as good.As far as why I keep blowing up motor's dont know. I do drive with a make it or brake it attitude & the terraine in WI. is mostly mud, small to med. rock gardens & hill climbs. So anyway still looking for info on V8 swap step's & cost? I have a TBI 350 that I pulled from my wife's 88 Blazer that I built for her & I am tired of riding with her & getting crap from all of your "friends" any help to putting me back in my Yoda ?

03-28-2009, 07:05 AM	#24 (permalink)
yoder519 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: virginia Posts: 1,005	sandman608. you got 38s on stock gears!!???? holy slow yota. i thought mine was slow with stock gears and 33x12.50s. guess i cant whine no more about being slow. not being mean, but can you still use 5th gear __________________ Sold&Missed 95 Yota pu 22RE/33x12.50 Maxxis Buckshot Mudders/TG Sliders/4Crawler 2in BL//TG Diff Breather/Herculined Floorboard/Magnaflow Hi-Flow Cat/2.25" Exhaust/Glasspack/Procomp black steelies/Procomp shocks/Superlift 2" AALs/4 Crawler 1.5" BJers 1998 Dodge Cummins 24V 4x4 5spd/Quad Arenaline/4in Exhaust/6in Tip/AFE Intake

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