Stacking 2 Frames as a lift - Page 2

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 12:15 PM

Everyone knows this thread is a joke. But i have to admit i have seen some bada$$ trars. (trucks+cars=trars) Have you seen the 4x4 general lee? Its my desktop background.

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**DeathCougar** · 06-10-2009, 12:19 PM

Its not real, these two are clearly jokes.

Im not falling for this internet BS. Some people just have nothing better to do than try and incite the masses.

Andy_Structable · 06-10-2009, 01:48 PM

i don't think it started as a joke, but it has been working in that direction. by the way, 4rnr, who are you calling a dumb a$$?

are you trying to insult me for joking about cars on truck frames, or are you trying to insult gyoas759 for having some original problem-solving ideas.

consider this:

most peoples trucks say "look how much money i spent" (i don't know, something like a 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system.)

some people's trucks say "look what i can do with scrapmetal and a mig" (like maybe a stack of frames)

but my favorite ones say "if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand" (like a celica on a truck frame).

all i'm saying: a creative person like gyoas759 could set up their whole rig for less than the cost of your stereo, and i'm not trying to insult you, i'm sure it's a very good stereo, mine doesn't work, i think it needs new tubes. ha ha. the point is, we're not all trying to make fifty thousand dollar satelite guided stereos with chrome rims. some of us just like old trucks with a little home-made flair. besides, a good header sounds better than any stereo out there.

back to the point at hand, frame stacking, if done right, is a viable option for those who don't want to spend a fortune. the trick is that you cut the top frame down and only use pieces of it as spacers rather than welding the entire frames together. its just like a standard body lift but rather than spending money you spend an hour with a welding torch. if i were gyoas759, i'd put the new frame on the bottom and cut up the broken frame, or just do what we did on my roommates truck and weld a splint to the broken frame. it cost nothing, is still on the road, is considerably more stout than a stock frame, and only added about forty pounds.

okay, enough ranting, sorry guys

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 01:58 PM

you only forgot one point andy, if you have the money, why not spend it on your truck lol, I'm just addin some gasolina to the fire lol!!

Andy_Structable · 06-10-2009, 02:15 PM

that is a good point, and i probably should have read my last post a little better before i posted it. i don't mean to insult anyone here and i am very jealous of 4rnrs 4runner, but i don't think he's going for the same thing gyoas is. for starters, if gyoas wanted to spend money on the truck, he wouldn't be trying to rig the frame on an 87, now would he.

personally, i just spent a bunch of money on my truck indirectly, and bought a milling machine. it weighs more than my truck does (probably has more HP too, a whopping 7HP), but fabbing parts just got way cooler. also, i'm buying a new mig before a new stereo.

and i'll admit that i'm a little unconventional about such things and no one should take me too seriously. heck, i don't even take myself seriously. besides, wouldn't this place be really boring if nobody ever disagreed with anybody.

Andy_Structable · 06-10-2009, 02:20 PM

come on, its funny. pic is from this link, if you want to see more like it:

http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/top...h-lifted-cars/

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 02:24 PM

if gyoas wanted a lift and to fix his frame, i'd go with a 3" body lift($80) and weld some plates on the crack thus fixing the crack and beefing it up all in one motion(priceless). haha. Don't feel bad i dont have a radio either, i enjoy hearin my Chevy v8 and flowmasters sing to me(so relaxing). By the way if anybodys unconvetional it would def be me.

I love bein the first one to hit the hole, and the last one to leave cuz i broke some stupid u-joint and having to change it in the mud, in the middle of the night, with mosqitos carryin me off, and the flashlight goin dead. lol. but i wouldnt change a min of it.

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 02:26 PM

I would so pimp that camry out,
1st mod=pink fuzzy dice
2nd mod=a flame job
3rd mod=a bumble bee exhaust

Wheeling my camry and everybody stop in awe=Priceless

Andy_Structable · 06-10-2009, 02:36 PM

see, you get it. it not always about "where can i go" sometimes its about "how pimp can i roll" and frankly, getting stuck/unstuck, and fixing your truck are my favorite part too. there's satisfaction in it, besides, life is all about adventure.

4rnr · 06-10-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy_Structable

i don't think it started as a joke, but it has been working in that direction. by the way, 4rnr, who are you calling a dumb a$$?

are you trying to insult me for joking about cars on truck frames, or are you trying to insult gyoas759 for having some original problem-solving ideas.

consider this:

most peoples trucks say "look how much money i spent" (i don't know, something like a 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system.)

some people's trucks say "look what i can do with scrapmetal and a mig" (like maybe a stack of frames)

but my favorite ones say "if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand" (like a celica on a truck frame).

all i'm saying: a creative person like gyoas759 could set up their whole rig for less than the cost of your stereo, and i'm not trying to insult you, i'm sure it's a very good stereo, mine doesn't work, i think it needs new tubes. ha ha. the point is, we're not all trying to make fifty thousand dollar satelite guided stereos with chrome rims. some of us just like old trucks with a little home-made flair. besides, a good header sounds better than any stereo out there.

back to the point at hand, frame stacking, if done right, is a viable option for those who don't want to spend a fortune. the trick is that you cut the top frame down and only use pieces of it as spacers rather than welding the entire frames together. its just like a standard body lift but rather than spending money you spend an hour with a welding torch. if i were gyoas759, i'd put the new frame on the bottom and cut up the broken frame, or just do what we did on my roommates truck and weld a splint to the broken frame. it cost nothing, is still on the road, is considerably more stout than a stock frame, and only added about forty pounds.

okay, enough ranting, sorry guys

Ouch there. I wasnt sure if I was calling you a dumb a$$. Here see if you qualify:

You are a dumb a$$ if you:

A. Think frame stacking is anything but hilarious and sad at the same time.
B. Think frame stacking is an original thing (it isnt, its just original to see people try it who also own a computer/have internet/have electricity/running water)

So if you find your self in one of the above categories im sorry but you are a dumb a$$.

BTW, my sig is full of my specs because other wise I get tons of PM's asking me for specs...

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 06:12 PM

thats like throwin sticks of dynamite in the fire lol, this thread might just get a lil warm hahahahaha

gyoas759 · 06-10-2009, 06:22 PM

Wow. I guess it's about time that I jump back in here. Never thought people would be so venomous about something unorthodox. No this thread isn't a joke. I know it's been done before. I know it's been successfully done before. I'm just looking for some info that's a little more toyota specific. And I'm not talking about riding piggy back with my old frame. It just seemed like a decent way to achieve some reasonable body lift without having to buy a bunch of steel tubing. (Not all of us have to buy a kit to lift a vehicle.) I'm just trying to decide which is easier. Make fun if you want, you're just missing the point. And yes, I'm working on a truck that I paid $500. for a couple years and 20k miles ago so I'm not looking to spend alot or create the god of off roaders. Just looking for a functional lift on a budget.

So flamers aside, anyone have any useful info on this? I'm just wondering if there's more info to be had or if I should just figure things out on my own.

The Ruckus · 06-10-2009, 06:33 PM

I know a few guys who did it to domestic trucks in high school auto tech class back about 10 years ago... the same guys that ran aired-down 44's to squeak under the legal bumper height limit. I really don't have any info on it, but I can vouch that it has been successfully pulled off.

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 06:35 PM

the best tried and true method is a body lift. you can even do this yourself. you can use all kinds of things, just cut them to your desired lift(i wouldnt go over 4 inches) only thing you have to buy is some bolts at your local hardware store. you may have to move your radiator up some and cut a small area around your shifter so you can hit all your gears(assuming that its manual)

The frame stacking idea, well its not a reasonable idea and there are far to many easier ways to accomplish what you are wanting. some people are set in there ways and when somebody says something unorthodox OMG the sky is falling. Dont worry about them Thats why nobody has the same exact rig, they might have the same parts but thats because they are tried and true. Ya know? Be creative, have fun, and dont let anybody stop you with doin something to your rig, unless theres a easier and more beneficial way of doing it.

gyoas759 · 06-10-2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mud4life

the best tried and true method is a body lift. you can even do this yourself. you can use all kinds of things, just cut them to your desired lift(i wouldnt go over 4 inches) only thing you have to buy is some bolts at your local hardware store. you may have to move your radiator up some and cut a small area around your shifter so you can hit all your gears(assuming that its manual)

The frame stacking idea, well its not a reasonable idea and there are far to many easier ways to accomplish what you are wanting. some people are set in there ways and when somebody says something unorthodox OMG the sky is falling. Dont worry about them Thats why nobody has the same exact rig, they might have the same parts but thats because they are tried and true. Ya know? Be creative, have fun, and dont let anybody stop you with doin something to your rig, unless theres a easier and more beneficial way of doing it.

That's what I'm starting to think. (Just a regular body lift.) Mostly because I could forgo the welding part, and I really only want about 2-3 inches of lift. I just like the idea of recycling the original frame and not having to buy new metal for the lift. And heck, I started into the whole wheeling/offroading thing with lifted 4x4 Subarus (stock except for the lift and wheels) so I'm always open to new ideas. (especially cheap new ideas.)

4banginRunner · 06-10-2009, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyoas759

So flamers aside, anyone have any useful info on this? I'm just wondering if there's more info to be had or if I should just figure things out on my own.

Yea, go to the Bloomsburg Jambo this July and take a look at the 2 stacked frame Toyota's that are always there.......spooooooky stuff

mud4life · 06-10-2009, 06:51 PM

then yeah go with the body lift, see how ya like that, its a relativly easy project that should take a day in your backyard with the help of a buddy. If your prominent with a welder you'll have no problem. Good Luck and remember take pics and show us!!

Lumpy · 06-10-2009, 06:53 PM

When I first heard this I did think it was a joke, I was thinking that you were going to take your old frame (as a whole) and weld it to the newer. I asked "Now why do that when the frame is shot"...now I see your reasoning. I still would not use the old frame for the lift but I'm sure you can use it for something else...If its rotting that bad I (just being me) would not trust the old metal. You are the one who knows what you have to work with. If you can get usable pieces out of it and cut all of them to length and "you" trust it. Go for it.

I'm sure I've been laughed at for my VCR storage mod...If you want a laugh check it out...http://www.yotatech.com/f116/no-radi...torage-182702/

Although, if mine brakes I don't die...

Andy_Structable · 06-11-2009, 12:17 PM

ok, i'll apologize to 4rnr. but just because your avatar rules (office space is awesome). i don't mean to pick on your rig at all. and really, you spent money in all the right places so i can't be jealous just because i don't have the money to spend. seriously, i'd cut of my left nut for a rig like that (anybody wanna trade?). and i'm just kidding about the truck, and it's not like you're driving an Escalade with spinners, so total respect there.

and i agree, frame stacking is hilarious, but maybe that's enough reason to do it on a $500 truck. i certainly wouldn't do it on my truck and gyoas paid five times what i did for mine.

this is just my own definition, but i think a dumba$$ is somebody who runs with a bad idea thinking its a good idea. while a jacka$$ knows it a bad idea and does it anyways. at times i am both, but i try to lean toward the latter. besides, we all just do this to keep ourselves amused, so why not have fun.

and i know frame stacking has been around for a while, and there are good reasons why the way we used to do things isn't the way we still do things.

point is, no hard feelings. and if you ever make it to colorado, i'll buy you a beer and we can go rock some awesome trails. seriously dude, i'm not here to upset people and i just joined yesterday, so i don't want to start anything. i'm sure you have much wisdom to impart on us noobs and i don't want to ruin that. it just seems that in a thread entitled "stacking two frames as a lift" how serious could anyone really be taking any of it?

so again, sorry if we got of on the wrong foot

p.s. that goes for anybody who's coming to colorado, i'm always down for beer and fourwheelin, (not necissarily at the same time, as i don't condone anything illegal, at least not on a public forum)

4rnr · 06-11-2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy_Structable

ok, i'll apologize to 4rnr. but just because your avatar rules (office space is awesome). i don't mean to pick on your rig at all. and really, you spent money in all the right places so i can't be jealous just because i don't have the money to spend. seriously, i'd cut of my left nut for a rig like that (anybody wanna trade?). and i'm just kidding about the truck, and it's not like you're driving an Escalade with spinners, so total respect there.

and i agree, frame stacking is hilarious, but maybe that's enough reason to do it on a $500 truck. i certainly wouldn't do it on my truck and gyoas paid five times what i did for mine.

this is just my own definition, but i think a dumba$$ is somebody who runs with a bad idea thinking its a good idea. while a jacka$$ knows it a bad idea and does it anyways. at times i am both, but i try to lean toward the latter. besides, we all just do this to keep ourselves amused, so why not have fun.

and i know frame stacking has been around for a while, and there are good reasons why the way we used to do things isn't the way we still do things.

point is, no hard feelings. and if you ever make it to colorado, i'll buy you a beer and we can go rock some awesome trails. seriously dude, i'm not here to upset people and i just joined yesterday, so i don't want to start anything. i'm sure you have much wisdom to impart on us noobs and i don't want to ruin that. it just seems that in a thread entitled "stacking two frames as a lift" how serious could anyone really be taking any of it?

so again, sorry if we got of on the wrong foot

p.s. that goes for anybody who's coming to colorado, i'm always down for beer and fourwheelin, (not necissarily at the same time, as i don't condone anything illegal, at least not on a public forum)

No apology needed. And I havent spent much money on the truck in a long time. I made money on the engine swap and on the dual t-cases (which are way more blinged out than I would have ever built, but thats how the PO built them). the last major purchase that I actually payed big money for was the SAS. But there is alot of money wrapped up in it. But since I dont believe in trailers and I drive all over (including 2000 mi/4 ORP's over the next 2 weeks) the truck has to be in PERFECT condition all the time, so no corner cutting allowed here.

next year I am thinking about a Western trip planned around the CO4RJ. So I may be out there.

mud4life · 06-11-2009, 01:29 PM

Why dont yall come down south and drink some beer at the local mud bog? you wont be disappointed, wait yall are like 5000 miles away nevermind HAHAHAHA

Just messing, yall rock guys wont like us mud guys(again a joke)(feel Free to laugh)
(hint-hint)

4rnr · 06-11-2009, 09:26 PM

Ill be in MO (which is south to me) all next week, hitting Wichita, flat nasty, and smorr...

06-10-2009, 02:20 PM	#31 (permalink)
Andy_Structable Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 36	just to make you laugh come on, its funny. pic is from this link, if you want to see more like it: http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/top...h-lifted-cars/ Attached Thumbnails

06-11-2009, 09:26 PM	#47 (permalink)
4rnr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Plainfield, IL Posts: 1,469	Ill be in MO (which is south to me) all next week, hitting Wichita, flat nasty, and smorr... __________________ poop 1988 stock 4runner, v6, 5spd, soft top. 1990 fj62 stock and mint! 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system. The build up...http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=74915

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06-10-2009, 01:48 PM	#28 (permalink)
Andy_Structable Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 36	i don't think it started as a joke, but it has been working in that direction. by the way, 4rnr, who are you calling a dumb a$$? are you trying to insult me for joking about cars on truck frames, or are you trying to insult gyoas759 for having some original problem-solving ideas. consider this: most peoples trucks say "look how much money i spent" (i don't know, something like a 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system.) some people's trucks say "look what i can do with scrapmetal and a mig" (like maybe a stack of frames) but my favorite ones say "if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand" (like a celica on a truck frame). all i'm saying: a creative person like gyoas759 could set up their whole rig for less than the cost of your stereo, and i'm not trying to insult you, i'm sure it's a very good stereo, mine doesn't work, i think it needs new tubes. ha ha. the point is, we're not all trying to make fifty thousand dollar satelite guided stereos with chrome rims. some of us just like old trucks with a little home-made flair. besides, a good header sounds better than any stereo out there. back to the point at hand, frame stacking, if done right, is a viable option for those who don't want to spend a fortune. the trick is that you cut the top frame down and only use pieces of it as spacers rather than welding the entire frames together. its just like a standard body lift but rather than spending money you spend an hour with a welding torch. if i were gyoas759, i'd put the new frame on the bottom and cut up the broken frame, or just do what we did on my roommates truck and weld a splint to the broken frame. it cost nothing, is still on the road, is considerably more stout than a stock frame, and only added about forty pounds. okay, enough ranting, sorry guys

06-10-2009, 01:58 PM	#29 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	you only forgot one point andy, if you have the money, why not spend it on your truck lol, I'm just addin some gasolina to the fire lol!!

06-10-2009, 02:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
Andy_Structable Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 36	that is a good point, and i probably should have read my last post a little better before i posted it. i don't mean to insult anyone here and i am very jealous of 4rnrs 4runner, but i don't think he's going for the same thing gyoas is. for starters, if gyoas wanted to spend money on the truck, he wouldn't be trying to rig the frame on an 87, now would he. personally, i just spent a bunch of money on my truck indirectly, and bought a milling machine. it weighs more than my truck does (probably has more HP too, a whopping 7HP), but fabbing parts just got way cooler. also, i'm buying a new mig before a new stereo. and i'll admit that i'm a little unconventional about such things and no one should take me too seriously. heck, i don't even take myself seriously. besides, wouldn't this place be really boring if nobody ever disagreed with anybody.

06-10-2009, 02:24 PM	#32 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	if gyoas wanted a lift and to fix his frame, i'd go with a 3" body lift($80) and weld some plates on the crack thus fixing the crack and beefing it up all in one motion(priceless). haha. Don't feel bad i dont have a radio either, i enjoy hearin my Chevy v8 and flowmasters sing to me(so relaxing). By the way if anybodys unconvetional it would def be me. I love bein the first one to hit the hole, and the last one to leave cuz i broke some stupid u-joint and having to change it in the mud, in the middle of the night, with mosqitos carryin me off, and the flashlight goin dead. lol. but i wouldnt change a min of it.

06-10-2009, 02:26 PM	#33 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	I would so pimp that camry out, 1st mod=pink fuzzy dice 2nd mod=a flame job 3rd mod=a bumble bee exhaust Wheeling my camry and everybody stop in awe=Priceless

06-10-2009, 02:36 PM	#34 (permalink)
Andy_Structable Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 36	see, you get it. it not always about "where can i go" sometimes its about "how pimp can i roll" and frankly, getting stuck/unstuck, and fixing your truck are my favorite part too. there's satisfaction in it, besides, life is all about adventure.

06-10-2009, 06:12 PM	#36 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	thats like throwin sticks of dynamite in the fire lol, this thread might just get a lil warm hahahahaha

06-10-2009, 06:22 PM	#37 (permalink)
gyoas759 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mount Carmel & Reading, PA Posts: 13	Wow. I guess it's about time that I jump back in here. Never thought people would be so venomous about something unorthodox. No this thread isn't a joke. I know it's been done before. I know it's been successfully done before. I'm just looking for some info that's a little more toyota specific. And I'm not talking about riding piggy back with my old frame. It just seemed like a decent way to achieve some reasonable body lift without having to buy a bunch of steel tubing. (Not all of us have to buy a kit to lift a vehicle.) I'm just trying to decide which is easier. Make fun if you want, you're just missing the point. And yes, I'm working on a truck that I paid $500. for a couple years and 20k miles ago so I'm not looking to spend alot or create the god of off roaders. Just looking for a functional lift on a budget. So flamers aside, anyone have any useful info on this? I'm just wondering if there's more info to be had or if I should just figure things out on my own.

06-10-2009, 06:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
The Ruckus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: West Michigan Posts: 113	I know a few guys who did it to domestic trucks in high school auto tech class back about 10 years ago... the same guys that ran aired-down 44's to squeak under the legal bumper height limit. I really don't have any info on it, but I can vouch that it has been successfully pulled off.

06-10-2009, 06:35 PM	#39 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	the best tried and true method is a body lift. you can even do this yourself. you can use all kinds of things, just cut them to your desired lift(i wouldnt go over 4 inches) only thing you have to buy is some bolts at your local hardware store. you may have to move your radiator up some and cut a small area around your shifter so you can hit all your gears(assuming that its manual) The frame stacking idea, well its not a reasonable idea and there are far to many easier ways to accomplish what you are wanting. some people are set in there ways and when somebody says something unorthodox OMG the sky is falling. Dont worry about them Thats why nobody has the same exact rig, they might have the same parts but thats because they are tried and true. Ya know? Be creative, have fun, and dont let anybody stop you with doin something to your rig, unless theres a easier and more beneficial way of doing it.

06-10-2009, 06:51 PM	#42 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	then yeah go with the body lift, see how ya like that, its a relativly easy project that should take a day in your backyard with the help of a buddy. If your prominent with a welder you'll have no problem. Good Luck and remember take pics and show us!!

06-11-2009, 12:17 PM	#44 (permalink)
Andy_Structable Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 36	ok, i'll apologize to 4rnr. but just because your avatar rules (office space is awesome). i don't mean to pick on your rig at all. and really, you spent money in all the right places so i can't be jealous just because i don't have the money to spend. seriously, i'd cut of my left nut for a rig like that (anybody wanna trade?). and i'm just kidding about the truck, and it's not like you're driving an Escalade with spinners, so total respect there. and i agree, frame stacking is hilarious, but maybe that's enough reason to do it on a $500 truck. i certainly wouldn't do it on my truck and gyoas paid five times what i did for mine. this is just my own definition, but i think a dumba$$ is somebody who runs with a bad idea thinking its a good idea. while a jacka$$ knows it a bad idea and does it anyways. at times i am both, but i try to lean toward the latter. besides, we all just do this to keep ourselves amused, so why not have fun. and i know frame stacking has been around for a while, and there are good reasons why the way we used to do things isn't the way we still do things. point is, no hard feelings. and if you ever make it to colorado, i'll buy you a beer and we can go rock some awesome trails. seriously dude, i'm not here to upset people and i just joined yesterday, so i don't want to start anything. i'm sure you have much wisdom to impart on us noobs and i don't want to ruin that. it just seems that in a thread entitled "stacking two frames as a lift" how serious could anyone really be taking any of it? so again, sorry if we got of on the wrong foot p.s. that goes for anybody who's coming to colorado, i'm always down for beer and fourwheelin, (not necissarily at the same time, as i don't condone anything illegal, at least not on a public forum)

06-11-2009, 01:29 PM	#46 (permalink)
mud4life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Ga Posts: 116	Why dont yall come down south and drink some beer at the local mud bog? you wont be disappointed, wait yall are like 5000 miles away nevermind HAHAHAHA Just messing, yall rock guys wont like us mud guys(again a joke)(feel Free to laugh) (hint-hint)