Ramblings about air shocks - Page 2

a4runnerfreak · 03-20-2009, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xzyragon

lol, its the OP asking the question about the A Arms

Xzyragon, you are right, I directed my post to the wrong person! Pitster, dude, I apoligize. My last post was meant to be directed to toynado, not you.

So I'll sit over here, in my wrongness, and do over here things.....!!!!

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Tacoclimber · 03-20-2009, 10:51 AM

The abuse the English language has taken in this pitiful thread is nothing short of horrendous.

Fo reeelz...

toynado · 03-20-2009, 01:51 PM

spelling flames?
esp. by someone who can't spell out "at"
gawd

slp punk, duz yor donohue set up use the stock frame mounting points?
cuz if so, you just PROVED my travel is as stated

here's the equation
it's almost 20" from LCA pivot to wheel on my stock trailmaster 4" lift
you hav 3" longer distance i assume from yor post
and 14" travel
x/20=14/23
it's directly proportional
x being my travel
solve for x
ALMOST A FOOT OF TRAVEL
or more...

nowhere did i say i hav 12" of travel ...
if the naysayers, none of which i see offering any proof for thier claims, can't read, maybe they should lurn

someone thinks i'll go make a movie of my travel for em
to solve r00bish arguments on a bbs?
gawd

or else my experience is not reality or 'proven'
gawd

someone can't see my airshox in the pic?
gawd

i've heard plenty of peeps call tie rods track rods
but someone selling airshox apparently has never...
and i'm the 16 year old?
gawd

too bad my first post turned this board into just another joke of an offroad bbs for me

i haven't even shaved the top bumstop, there is certainly more travel available to me

and if the donohue kit is only 1 1/2" longer on one side,
that means i have MORE TRAVEL in the equation, not less

a4runnerfreak · 03-20-2009, 02:02 PM

Typical troll. Can try to talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. No pics or anything? Some1 with that much travel would be more than happy to show their junk off, just for bragging rights alone. Try making this same post over on pirate. You think your getting flamed here...

Tacoclimber · 03-20-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

...
nowhere did i say i hav 12" of travel ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

i hav almost a foot of travel on my front end

Uh...last time I checked, 12" to a foot. Unless you were referring to a human foot, which may or may not be actually 12 inches in length.

xzyragon · 03-20-2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

spelling flames?
esp. by someone who can't spell out "at"
gawd

slp punk, duz yor donohue set up use the stock frame mounting points?
cuz if so, you just PROVED my travel is as stated

here's the equation
it's almost 20" from LCA pivot to wheel on my stock trailmaster 4" lift
you hav 3" longer distance i assume from yor post
and 14" travel
x/20=14/23
it's directly proportional
x being my travel
solve for x
ALMOST A FOOT OF TRAVEL
or more...

nowhere did i say i hav 12" of travel ...
if the naysayers, none of which i see offering any proof for thier claims, can't read, maybe they should lurn

someone thinks i'll go make a movie of my travel for em
to solve r00bish arguments on a bbs?
gawd

or else my experience is not reality or 'proven'
gawd

someone can't see my airshox in the pic?
gawd

i've heard plenty of peeps call tie rods track rods
but someone selling airshox apparently has never...
and i'm the 16 year old?
gawd

too bad my first post turned this board into just another joke of an offroad bbs for me

i haven't even shaved the top bumstop, there is certainly more travel available to me

and if the donohue kit is only 1 1/2" longer on one side,
that means i have MORE TRAVEL in the equation, not less

r00bish? gawd?

please dont anti-spelling flame me

or it didnt happen

its all we are asking for

iamsuperbleeder · 03-20-2009, 02:44 PM

lmao, I'm not even going to open this thread up any more; I'm getting a headache just trying to read what you type...

So maybe I did feed this a little too much... But you know what, you have to step up or shut up, and in forums where we're often separated by hundreds, thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of miles away from each other, pictures and/or videos are about the only proof you can provide to backup your claims. The only thing you have provided about your claim "i hav almost a foot of travel" (which by the way most people know a foot is 12 inches) is 1 grainy picture that looks like it was taken back in the 80's...

And just for fun, and cause now I'm in the mood, Troy, I'm going to agrue with you too; I believe your IFS bracket lift diagram is just a little off... The UCA's position doesn't change, only the LCA is moved

sorry, I had to man

And with the remark about never hearing someone call a tie rod a track bar, I've heard some strange slang for some automotive parts over the years, but rarely does someone call a part an entirely wrong name that just so happens to be a different part all together...

A TRACK BAR IS ON A SOLID AXLE LEAF SRPUNG VEHICLE! Just as I stated before, and as Troy pointed out as well. How can I prove it? Well, a common carrier of the leaf sprung front end is Jeep, and you'll notice in the picture below that there's a track bar, as well as a tie rod... you cannot sit there and tell me they are the same thing... they are not... end of story...

so to you, I leave my final word...

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!!

gawd....

To the OP, and back on track, for the life of me I can't find it, but I thought I had seen a coil-over kit on these IFS rigs before, but I just cannot find it again... And when I think about it, I really don't think it was stock control arms; I do believe it was a LT kit.

Granted, anything's possible though. The only issue I think that you might run into is 1) the clearance with the spring and the UCA, or 2) the clearance with the spring and the CV shaft

Even if you only ran a 2.5" spring, that would be cutting it really close...

a4runnerfreak · 03-20-2009, 03:02 PM

.....

toynado · 03-20-2009, 05:29 PM

wut?

no more r00bs?

tc · 03-20-2009, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

Unless you happen to be running like 40" tires, that's not 6" of compression travel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xzyragon

please type in english.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamsuperbleeder

I'm getting a headache just trying to read what you type...

x2

Quote:

Originally Posted by xzyragon

I believe your IFS bracket lift diagram is just a little off... The UCA's position doesn't change, only the LCA is moved

sorry, I had to man

Not to nitpick - but yours is off too - the diff itself drops down, so the CV angles are stock with the drop bracket lift ... but you got the arms right (depending on the lift - some use spindles to keep the angle of the upper stock by spreading them apart at the wheel)

Quote:

Originally Posted by xzyragon

To the OP, and back on track, for the life of me I can't find it, but I thought I had seen a coil-over kit on these IFS rigs before, but I just cannot find it again... And when I think about it, I really don't think it was stock control arms; I do believe it was a LT kit.

Granted, anything's possible though. The only issue I think that you might run into is 1) the clearance with the spring and the UCA, or 2) the clearance with the spring and the CV shaft

The TotalChaos Gen II caddy kit is probably what you saw
http://www.chaosfab.com/95200.html

AxleIke is trying to figure out a way to do it with a regular lower arm and an FJ Cruiser upper arm.

toynado · 03-20-2009, 07:01 PM

then how much is it, tc ?

as if u know

on my trailmaster kit there's 1/4" difference in the control arm and the diff drops

fastkevman · 03-20-2009, 07:17 PM

I fortunately grew up with lots of friends that had some really cool muscle cars.....unfortunately quite a few of them had airshocks in the rear.
I never thought that they felt right no matter how much air was in them.
I could have also sworn that Gabriel doesn't recommend that they are installed on the front of a vehicle due to unpredictable handling characteristics.....I am going to check on that.
I don't know what travel he gets and don't care but I would definitely say that there is no way they are as safe or handle as well as my Bilsteins!

toynado · 03-20-2009, 10:24 PM

then why did they get hyjackers?

bwhahaahaaahaaaaa

unsafe...

super r00b comment
gawd

gabriel told me they couldn't recommend a non standard usage
(cuz obviously an airshok on toy's little dowel of a shock mount in back could get sketchy

works for me tho
shows how strong those things actually are

i'm sure anyone with a 4 runner that uses the shox i use will dispute yor ridiculous claim

toynado · 03-21-2009, 12:44 AM

there is an actual airhsok phobia, isn't there
bwhahaahaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa
i wuz wrong about the year
copied offa autozone's site:

Gabriel Hi Jackers / Shock/Strut - Rear For your 1995 Toyota Truck 4 Runner 4WD 3.0L EFI 6cyl

Price:$65.99

AVAILABILITY

Store:
Visit your local store to special order.

Online:
Ships within 3-5 business days.

Part Number: 49388
Weight: 8.0 lbs
Warranty: LLT
Notes: Air adjust shocks Hi-Jackers sold in pairs, air hose kit included.

Category Name: Hijackers
Internal Design: Twintube
Adjustable: Yes
Gas Charged: No
Hardware Included: Yes
Quantity: Sold In Pairs
Extended Length: 21.48 In.
Collapsed Length: 13.38 In.
Stroke: 8.10 In.
Instructions included: Yes
Shipping Information: Overnight and Two Day shipping are not available for PO Box, APO/FPO/DPO or US Territory addresses.

Features & Benefits:

Extra Lifting Capacity Up To 1,100 Pounds Per Pair Designed To Maintain Vehicle Height Under Load.

they dun mention the air ride
looks like they come in gloss black now
no mention of making muscle cars ride like cr*p
pity
muscle cars never were dangerous in the first place...
bwhahaahaaahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaa
some of em handled tho

forbiddenera · 03-21-2009, 01:29 AM

Someone please ban him.

Even if somehow, some way, in some twisted drug-induced or gravity-anomaly-black-hole-induced reality, what he claims could be true, I'm bloody sick of reading his .. See, I just sat here two minutes and couldn't even figure out a word to describe his posts weather it be accurate or insulting.

It's that bad, I'm so speechless I can't even insult him.

abecedarian · 03-21-2009, 01:36 AM

wow... uh...

last I heard, a 'track rod' (track bar, whatever) is the same thing as a 'panhard rod'... limits side-to-side shifting of a live axle when used with a coil spring suspension, and sometimes on leafs, but rarely.

Gimme a moment, I'll read the rest of the thread.

abecedarian · 03-21-2009, 01:42 AM

here we go...

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

...i hav no bumptops (they are the bumptops)

If your shocks are your bumpstops...
a) you are limiting your travel
b) you are sacrificing an expensive part for a cheap part

and to quote you:

Quote:

wut a pity

abecedarian · 03-21-2009, 01:46 AM

I don't even have to go any further.
A pic with the body leaned over means absolutely nothing.

Show pic without the diff drop, one wheel at full extension and another at full compression and the frame LEVEL with metering demonstrating there is 12" difference between the extended and compressed wheels....

until then, you are relegated to pander to Pirate4x4

abecedarian · 03-21-2009, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space-junk

...and for the record, the IFS DROP BRACKET LIFT KIT ... does nothing to increase the amount of flex that you can obtain with the front end... all it does is drop the front dif down... the flex stays the same... >mass snippage<

Actually, a diff drop can increase flex since IF it lowers the diff and LCA mounts, changing the angles at which things operate. Iill allow you to let the a-arms drop a comprable amount. But you have to change other things as well, such as the droop stops.... If it doesn't lower the LCAs, the fact the diff is lower could let you shim in / out travel.
... sort of how BJ spacers spread the UCA and LCA at the steering knukle and allows some travel.
Basic geometry and quadralaterals.

...sorry....

abecedarian · 03-21-2009, 02:01 AM

But still, anyone that uses "bwahaahaahahaaahaa" or any permutation of that in the context it's been used is little more than a troll, and is only trying to incite conflict.

space-junk · 03-21-2009, 02:02 AM

okay, so travis and i BOTH fail... someone combine both our pics and you will get the right one...

but anyone who knows our trucks gets the point...

i digress...

Toynado, i suggest you change your tune or leave our forums... there is a collective intelligence here about toyotas and they are ALL telling you that you are wrong... you insulted one of our most knowledgeable and nicest members (tc) and then start flaming the boards themselves... this is not cool, not appreciated, and if you read the rules for the forums, not allowed...

with that said, i hope that you just agree to disagree, believe your own opinion is correct, and continue to give advice on other subjects... this is a family forum and a place for friends to come together and share info...

on a side note...
hmm... wonder where DC is?? is he off polishing his BH???

abecedarian · 03-21-2009, 02:19 AM

The problem is: stock IFS has approximately 6" travel, each side, which if I remember properly, is 2" up and 4" down... each side... so if one side goes down completely, that's 4" and the other goes up completely- 2"... that's 6" difference between sides, not 12" as claimed. Even if you lower the LCA's 2" that will not triangulate out to 12" difference. We're talking 10th grade geometry here.

...and considering we're seeing 'wuz' and 'cuz' and 'hav'... take the lack of interest in being intelligent, or at least the lack of interest in "sounding" and "appearing" intelligent... take that in to consideration....

Total Chaos, arguably the "Long Travel" champions, sell a kit with new upper, lower arms... and if you want to keep 4wd, you need new CV's (longer T100 shafts and Porsche inner CV's to handle the angles) and the 3.5" longer arms get's you 11-12" travel. And even then, people break things. They sell the Porsche inner CV for the sole reason stock inner CV is not capable of the angles required from even their suspension, much less the stock suspension, to facilitate 12" of travel.

Air shocks and a diff drop won't get you the travel claimed, period. Again, it's geometry. and the only pic shown is one of a truck leaning to the side, with a diff drop (contrary to the claim of "stock") and no metrics to demonstrate the claim.

toynado · 03-21-2009, 11:22 AM

too phunny
i bot them shox before yotatech existed
you think you own the bbs
but u are mostly bs
gawd

let's see a pic of yor brain exercising actual intelligence ...

do you always tell strangers wut to do?

i'm assumin the moderators hav a modicum of sumthin besides hypocricy
which at a place like this that needs to be a pirate clone
i suppose requires a written thank you

bwhahaahaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa
aka
lol
judgemental freek(s)

it's not my fault you got a phobia of airhsox
gawd

Jay351 · 03-21-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

too phunny
i bot them shox before yotatech existed
you think you own the bbs
but u are mostly bs
gawd

let's see a pic of yor brain exercising actual intelligence ...

do you always tell strangers wut to do?

i'm assumin the moderators hav a modicum of sumthin besides hypocricy
which at a place like this that needs to be a pirate clone
i suppose requires a written thank you

bwhahaahaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa
aka
lol
judgemental freek(s)

it's not my fault you got a phobia of airhsox
gawd

So are you just mashing the keyboard with your palms hoping to hit the right keys? Cmon, I can't even understand what you are saying...

Tacoclimber · 03-21-2009, 02:23 PM

I'm amazed this clown is still here, and I'd like to think I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

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iamsuperbleeder Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Casselberry, Fl Posts: 5,252	lmao, I'm not even going to open this thread up any more; I'm getting a headache just trying to read what you type... So maybe I did feed this a little too much... But you know what, you have to step up or shut up, and in forums where we're often separated by hundreds, thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of miles away from each other, pictures and/or videos are about the only proof you can provide to backup your claims. The only thing you have provided about your claim "i hav almost a foot of travel" (which by the way most people know a foot is 12 inches) is 1 grainy picture that looks like it was taken back in the 80's... And just for fun, and cause now I'm in the mood, Troy, I'm going to agrue with you too; I believe your IFS bracket lift diagram is just a little off... The UCA's position doesn't change, only the LCA is moved sorry, I had to man And with the remark about never hearing someone call a tie rod a track bar, I've heard some strange slang for some automotive parts over the years, but rarely does someone call a part an entirely wrong name that just so happens to be a different part all together... A TRACK BAR IS ON A SOLID AXLE LEAF SRPUNG VEHICLE! Just as I stated before, and as Troy pointed out as well. How can I prove it? Well, a common carrier of the leaf sprung front end is Jeep, and you'll notice in the picture below that there's a track bar, as well as a tie rod... you cannot sit there and tell me they are the same thing... they are not... end of story... so to you, I leave my final word... I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!! gawd.... To the OP, and back on track, for the life of me I can't find it, but I thought I had seen a coil-over kit on these IFS rigs before, but I just cannot find it again... And when I think about it, I really don't think it was stock control arms; I do believe it was a LT kit. Granted, anything's possible though. The only issue I think that you might run into is 1) the clearance with the spring and the UCA, or 2) the clearance with the spring and the CV shaft Even if you only ran a 2.5" spring, that would be cutting it really close... __________________ 91 PU, 4wd, manual, 22re, .30-over, engnbldr RV head and 261 cam, MC 1200lbs clutch, misc LCE, engnbldr, and MC parts and HW, Pacesetter header and exhaust kit, Rancho UCA's , 4Crawler 1" diff and sway bar drop and 1.5" BJ spacers, WabFab 3.5" shackles, 31x10.5 pavement-pounding ATs on ProComp Extreme Alloys, misc SR5 interior goodies swapped in, 1000watt stereo system MySpace Last edited by iamsuperbleeder; 03-21-2009 at 07:19 AM.

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fastkevman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 708	I fortunately grew up with lots of friends that had some really cool muscle cars.....unfortunately quite a few of them had airshocks in the rear. I never thought that they felt right no matter how much air was in them. I could have also sworn that Gabriel doesn't recommend that they are installed on the front of a vehicle due to unpredictable handling characteristics.....I am going to check on that. I don't know what travel he gets and don't care but I would definitely say that there is no way they are as safe or handle as well as my Bilsteins! __________________ 1993 Pickup DLX extracab 4x4, V6, 5spd Warn front bumper w./ Hella 500's & shackles Custom rear bumper w./ 4" Hella's & shackles Custom grille Summit wheels 31" BFG A/T's Bilsteins 4Runner bucket seats & SR5 "stacker" console Pioneer/Polk/Kicker system 2.25" Flowmaster 1997 4Runner SR5 4x4, V6, Auto Pioneer/Polk/Kicker system '07 4Runner wheels

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forbiddenera Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 288	Someone please ban him. Even if somehow, some way, in some twisted drug-induced or gravity-anomaly-black-hole-induced reality, what he claims could be true, I'm bloody sick of reading his .. See, I just sat here two minutes and couldn't even figure out a word to describe his posts weather it be accurate or insulting. It's that bad, I'm so speechless I can't even insult him. __________________ My Toys: 1982 2WD Hilux Beater - Current DD 1985 Celica Supra - BROKEN - Blown HG - Currently Swapping in 7M-GTE 1989 4Runner - BROKEN - Busted Connecting Rod - Currently Swapping in 5MGE

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toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	this is definitely NOT a coilover too phunny i bot them shox before yotatech existed you think you own the bbs but u are mostly bs gawd let's see a pic of yor brain exercising actual intelligence ... do you always tell strangers wut to do? i'm assumin the moderators hav a modicum of sumthin besides hypocricy which at a place like this that needs to be a pirate clone i suppose requires a written thank you bwhahaahaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa aka lol judgemental freek(s) it's not my fault you got a phobia of airhsox gawd

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toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	spelling flames? esp. by someone who can't spell out "at" gawd slp punk, duz yor donohue set up use the stock frame mounting points? cuz if so, you just PROVED my travel is as stated here's the equation it's almost 20" from LCA pivot to wheel on my stock trailmaster 4" lift you hav 3" longer distance i assume from yor post and 14" travel x/20=14/23 it's directly proportional x being my travel solve for x ALMOST A FOOT OF TRAVEL or more... nowhere did i say i hav 12" of travel ... if the naysayers, none of which i see offering any proof for thier claims, can't read, maybe they should lurn someone thinks i'll go make a movie of my travel for em to solve r00bish arguments on a bbs? gawd or else my experience is not reality or 'proven' gawd someone can't see my airshox in the pic? gawd i've heard plenty of peeps call tie rods track rods but someone selling airshox apparently has never... and i'm the 16 year old? gawd too bad my first post turned this board into just another joke of an offroad bbs for me i haven't even shaved the top bumstop, there is certainly more travel available to me and if the donohue kit is only 1 1/2" longer on one side, that means i have MORE TRAVEL in the equation, not less

03-20-2009, 05:29 PM	#34 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	wut? no more r00bs?

03-20-2009, 07:01 PM	#36 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	then how much is it, tc ? as if u know on my trailmaster kit there's 1/4" difference in the control arm and the diff drops

03-20-2009, 10:24 PM	#38 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	then why did they get hyjackers? bwhahaahaaahaaaaa unsafe... super r00b comment gawd gabriel told me they couldn't recommend a non standard usage (cuz obviously an airshok on toy's little dowel of a shock mount in back could get sketchy works for me tho shows how strong those things actually are i'm sure anyone with a 4 runner that uses the shox i use will dispute yor ridiculous claim

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toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	there is an actual airhsok phobia, isn't there bwhahaahaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa i wuz wrong about the year copied offa autozone's site: Gabriel Hi Jackers / Shock/Strut - Rear For your 1995 Toyota Truck 4 Runner 4WD 3.0L EFI 6cyl Price:$65.99 AVAILABILITY Store: Visit your local store to special order. Online: Ships within 3-5 business days. Part Number: 49388 Weight: 8.0 lbs Warranty: LLT Notes: Air adjust shocks Hi-Jackers sold in pairs, air hose kit included. Category Name: Hijackers Internal Design: Twintube Adjustable: Yes Gas Charged: No Hardware Included: Yes Quantity: Sold In Pairs Extended Length: 21.48 In. Collapsed Length: 13.38 In. Stroke: 8.10 In. Instructions included: Yes Shipping Information: Overnight and Two Day shipping are not available for PO Box, APO/FPO/DPO or US Territory addresses. Features & Benefits: Extra Lifting Capacity Up To 1,100 Pounds Per Pair Designed To Maintain Vehicle Height Under Load. they dun mention the air ride looks like they come in gloss black now no mention of making muscle cars ride like cr*p pity muscle cars never were dangerous in the first place... bwhahaahaaahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaa some of em handled tho

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