Ramblings about air shocks

toynado · 03-19-2009, 12:33 AM

not a coilover, but a bag over...
my 88 has gabriel airshox from the rear of a 90 4runner on my front end with t bars
fits stock mounts with my 4" trailmaster lift
FAR superior ride
superior to edelbrock monotubes which are one impressive shok
airshox air up and down...
another shok can do THAT ?
dunno if they'd bottom with your measly 2" lift...

i hav no bumptops (they are the bumptops)

another model mite work better with yor lift (a ranger?)
carquest has a gabriel catalog with all the specs necessary to find one
kragen's has a catalog for monroe airshock specs

airshox give an amazing ride
only way u'll beat an airshok is a racing shok
gabriels are dirt cheap at autozone
racing shox are more than 10x the price

i hav almost a foot of travel on my front end

i tried going to0 fast over the whoops
front end didn't even bend the upper shok mount
broke a leaf spring on both sides in the rear near the front spring mount
no bump stops back there with lots of travel may hav been too much reverse bend for them springs

i also 're arched' my leaf springs with a 12 ton press for lift
but they flattened back out real quick
i bent one into a semi circle and straightened it back out just for kix, installed it on the truck and it hasn't broken after years of use

i hav a totally adjustable 3/4 elliptical rear leaf spring set up using STOCK shackles and STOCK axle u bolts to mount the top STOCK 88 leaf spring which is cut in half and clamped to the frame using sed STOCK square u bolts

sed 9/16" u bolts slowly crush the frame if u titen em enuf

air is SO superior ...

i dunno if a coilover is slim enuf to fit thru the upper a arm like my hyjackers ...

wut a pity

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space-junk · 03-19-2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

i hav almost a foot of travel on my front end

pics or it isnt possible...

pitster33 · 03-19-2009, 08:54 AM

yeah lets see some pics..... Your stock cv's wouldnt allow for 12 inches of travel! But nice idea on the air shock I am going to look into that. Also I didnt think that a bracket lift increased travel..... I might just go pick one up I know where I can get one for $100 thats in great shape and then the air shocks would fit better..

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 03:11 PM

ummmmm, yeah, sorry to tell ya, but 12" of travel would require a little more mods than just differnet shocks...

http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota...936-rotbw.html

http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota...e-options.html

and the only reason I know that kinda travel is possible with this setup, is cause I heavily researched it, and actually have half the parts to build the setup

I too would like to see some pics of this setup...

if this wasn't your first post, we wouldn't be bust'n yer ass about it

arizonaguy · 03-19-2009, 04:56 PM

Yea dido im interested in seeing this thing

a4runnerfreak · 03-19-2009, 06:12 PM

12" of travel, sounded good......sorta

toynado · 03-19-2009, 07:24 PM

notice the lower shok mount is wut, 1/2 the distance or less to the outside of the hub (where the wheel mounts) from the a arm pivot ...
so the 8" of shok travel translates to LONG travel ifs at the wheel ...

i hav the stock top bumpstops
there is no way the axleshafts could possibly GO beyond stock downtravel angle ...
(it's a stock trailmaster drop mount lift)

the pic shows maximum uptravel
everything except the torsion bar adjusting bolt is connected
i drove this way after i purposely broke the bolt on a dip
(i wuz tired of puttin slots in the adjusting bolt holder metal trying to saw thru the bolt hed while laying on the floor with my circular saw, so i broke it insted)

it felt funny
put a hole in the floor of course
made a loud noise too
mite even kill sumone sittin in the passenger seat, dunno

the axleshaft made no noise
so wut's the axleshafts joints max angle?
i'm not gonna take mine apart wen i already know mine works and has the stated travel

but i'd get airshox cuz they're super cheap and WAY superior
there is a neoprene sleeve inside the outer shok cover
it's not even a bag or donut
just glued i guess
the shok body itself is the rest of the air bladder
truly excellent stuff
had mine at least 3 years
never a problem

i can air up my rear suspension 5" e z

could easily be dun on a sas
gawd
it will be too phunny if it starts a trend on them *cough*
other boards

gabriel stopped making the hyjacker rabbit stickers
gawd

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 07:26 PM

wait a minute, are you serious...

bracket lift with loosened t-bars and adjustable air shocks...

you fail...

btw, you also admited that you've modified the LCA for the shock mounts, and he's wandering about using a setup on STOCK (as in left alone) control arms, soooo...

you fail X's 2

toynado · 03-19-2009, 07:40 PM

the track bar clears the frame by 1/4" at full lock

SO

how could the axleshaft POSSIBLY be unable to do sed travel
???

i related my actual years of experience

just put on a 4" drop kit
take out the t bar adjusting bolt
jack the wheels off the ground
take off the shok and MEASURE THE FREEKING WHEEL TRAVEL ALREADY

o k ?

dun b surprised wen at full lock the track rod hits the frame
cuz it will ...

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

the track bar clears the frame by 1/4" at full lock

SO

how could the axleshaft POSSIBLY be unable to do sed travel
???

i related my actual years of experience

just put on a 4" drop kit
take out the t bar adjusting bolt
jack the wheels off the ground
take off the shok and MEASURE THE FREEKING WHEEL TRAVEL ALREADY

o k ?

dun b surprised wen at full lock the track rod hits the frame
cuz it will ...

what is this "track-bar" you are reffering to?

you talking about the TRE's and/or the center drag-link (called the Relay Rod according to Toyota)?

those come close to the frame on a BONE STOCK setup...

either way, those would have nothing to do with the CV's amount of travel

btw, I'd jack the truck up in the air BEFORE removing the T-bar adjusting bolt

toynado · 03-19-2009, 07:47 PM

no,

drop mount kit is INSTANT more travel unless u limit it with bumpstops or short shox
just like removing the stock bumpstops is instant more travel with NO lift ...

wut's cornering like with bj spacers?
ever notice the difference in camber change while the suspension flexes?

toynado · 03-19-2009, 07:52 PM

wut is the end of the steering on both sides called?
cums with ball joint...

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

no,

drop mount kit is INSTANT more travel unless u limit it with bumpstops or short shox
just like removing the stock bumpstops is instant more travel with NO lift ...

wut's cornering like with bj spacers?
ever notice the difference in camber change while the suspension flexes?

"no" what?

I'm not going to argue about the aditional travel they can give you; that's all providing you take some tention off the T-bars from a stock setting, otherwise all you'll do is effectively raise the front up 4"

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

wut is the end of the steering on both sides called?
cums with ball joint...

Tie Rod Ends; there's 2 on each side, and inner and outter, connected together by an internally threaded sleeve

the inner one is the longer of the two, the one that's got the funky bend in it; it's the one that really comes close to the frame

toynado · 03-19-2009, 07:59 PM

jeeeeeeeez

i hav box stock a arms with box stock original mounts and completely STOCK trailmaster 4" lift

and am gettin told i'm wrong about my actual experience by someone who duzn't know wut a track rod is

if u understood wut an airshok is i guess you would understand how the t bar is not supplying all the lift or "spring" action

i can take the t bars off and drive the truck and it mite hav superior ride
at least at times

CUZ I HAV AIRSHOX
gawd

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

jeeeeeeeez

i hav box stock a arms with box stock original mounts and completely STOCK trailmaster 4" lift

and am gettin told i'm wrong about my actual experience by someone who duzn't know wut a track rod is

if u understood wut an airshok is i guess you would understand how the t bar is not supplying all the lift or "spring" action

i can take the t bars off and drive the truck and it mite hav superior ride
at least at times

CUZ I HAV AIRSHOX
gawd

oh boy...

listen, bro... I'm not even going to BEGIN to argue with you about experience or knowledge, cause I garuntee you there's a lot of people on YT here that'll back me up

and you go ahead and just take yer t-bars off... ride around on them "air shocks" for a few thousand miles...

good day sir

toynado · 03-19-2009, 08:57 PM

lemmesee,
didn't somebody named toyody take off the t bars and put only shox on their newer model?
gawd
airshox in quotes as if they dun exist
even tho i provided a pic ...

my axleshafts work perfect after 200+K miles
original boots
almost a foot of travel
such a superior ride ...
and instantly adjustable lift
could hav in cab controls
could be modded to eliminate body roll with sensors and valves
like an expensive car

only DIRT cheap to do that

4Runner202020 · 03-19-2009, 09:00 PM

irbis offroad in colorado did a frame swap

http://irbisoffroad.com/project4.asp

slcpunk74 · 03-19-2009, 09:05 PM

I was thinking of making my own suspension kit with the help of a local guy that races who made his own. I would say that considering I run a jd fab 4x4 kit that is a 3"+ wider kit and I only pull 14" that you would really need to go wider to pull 12". I think I will have to build my own stuff to be something like 6+" on each side to pull much more then 14" but if Im going that far why not shift the engine back and run a center mounted setup ha ha.

iamsuperbleeder · 03-19-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toynado

lemmesee,
didn't somebody named toyody take off the t bars and put only shox on their newer model?
gawd
airshox in quotes as if they dun exist
even tho i provided a pic ...

ummm, there's still a difference here from your air shocks... they still ues a coilover setup on the newer models...

I know what air shocks are; I use to retail them all day long

I also happen to know what a track bar is, and you WILL NOT find one on an IFS vehicle... period... a track bar is used to keep the axel aligned in a coil spring solid axle setup

xzyragon · 03-19-2009, 11:20 PM

@toynado,

when arguing, please type in english. none of these "gawd," "lemmesee," or other random conglomerate words that just leap from your imagination.

also, don't argue with superbleeder. He's been with this forum for quite a while, and you sir, have not. Being a part of this forum means learning about, in essence, this specific year of toyota. many users also bring outside experience to the table from jobs or personal repairs / modifications of their trucks. While you may have an interesting setup, please give us pictures IN DETAIL of what you are trying to describe.

@ superbleeder, don't be so immature. Let him believe what he wants to. What do you get out of winning an argument with a presumably 16 year old (assumption by diction) over the internet. Arguing over the internet is like the special olympics... even if you win you're still retarded.

NOW PLEASE, ASNWER THE OP!!!!!!

a4runnerfreak · 03-19-2009, 11:34 PM

Sounds good....sorta. OP, prove your "proven" setup. Pics, decent quality pics of your rig in action, showing your 12" of travel. A very simple way of backing up that in which you are claiming.

Short, and to the point. Pics, or what you are claiming is bogus. Put up, or shut up.

xzyragon · 03-19-2009, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a4runnerfreak

Sounds good....sorta. OP, prove your "proven" setup. Pics, decent quality pics of your rig in action, showing your 12" of travel. A very simple way of backing up that in which you are claiming.

Short, and to the point. Pics, or what you are claiming is bogus. Put up, or shut up.

lol, its the OP asking the question about the A Arms

space-junk · 03-20-2009, 12:52 AM

thats a track bar... its on a JEEP... with a SOLID AXLE... and COILS...

dun argew wit peepolz dat kno mor dan u...

and for the record, the IFS DROP BRACKET LIFT KIT that you have on your truck does nothing to increase the amount of flex that you can obtain with the front end... all it does is drop the front dif down... the flex stays the same...

here, i even drew some pictures for you...

IFS STOCK...

IFS W/LIFT KIT

also, travis...

Hypoid · 03-20-2009, 09:06 AM

This thread is hilarious!

03-19-2009, 08:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
pitster33 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Fortuna, CA Posts: 133	yeah lets see some pics..... Your stock cv's wouldnt allow for 12 inches of travel! But nice idea on the air shock I am going to look into that. Also I didnt think that a bracket lift increased travel..... I might just go pick one up I know where I can get one for $100 thats in great shape and then the air shocks would fit better.. __________________ 91 xtra cab 3.0 trail gear 5" sas/ 5" rear kit, TG sliders, bumpers, flatbeded, 529's locked F&R

03-19-2009, 03:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
iamsuperbleeder Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Casselberry, Fl Posts: 5,225	ummmmm, yeah, sorry to tell ya, but 12" of travel would require a little more mods than just differnet shocks... http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota...936-rotbw.html http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota...e-options.html and the only reason I know that kinda travel is possible with this setup, is cause I heavily researched it, and actually have half the parts to build the setup I too would like to see some pics of this setup... if this wasn't your first post, we wouldn't be bust'n yer ass about it __________________ 91 PU, 4wd, manual, 22re, .30-over, engnbldr RV head and 261 cam, MC 1200lbs clutch, misc LCE, engnbldr, and MC parts and HW, Pacesetter header and exhaust kit, Rancho UCA's , 4Crawler 1" diff and sway bar drop and 1.5" BJ spacers, WabFab 3.5" shackles, 31x10.5 pavement-pounding ATs on ProComp Extreme Alloys, misc SR5 interior goodies swapped in, 1000watt stereo system MySpace Last edited by iamsuperbleeder; 03-19-2009 at 03:13 PM.

03-19-2009, 04:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
arizonaguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: glendale az Posts: 113	air bags in front on ifs??? Yea dido im interested in seeing this thing

03-19-2009, 07:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
iamsuperbleeder Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Casselberry, Fl Posts: 5,225	wait a minute, are you serious... bracket lift with loosened t-bars and adjustable air shocks... you fail... btw, you also admited that you've modified the LCA for the shock mounts, and he's wandering about using a setup on STOCK (as in left alone) control arms, soooo... you fail X's 2 __________________ 91 PU, 4wd, manual, 22re, .30-over, engnbldr RV head and 261 cam, MC 1200lbs clutch, misc LCE, engnbldr, and MC parts and HW, Pacesetter header and exhaust kit, Rancho UCA's , 4Crawler 1" diff and sway bar drop and 1.5" BJ spacers, WabFab 3.5" shackles, 31x10.5 pavement-pounding ATs on ProComp Extreme Alloys, misc SR5 interior goodies swapped in, 1000watt stereo system MySpace Last edited by iamsuperbleeder; 03-19-2009 at 07:40 PM.

03-19-2009, 09:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
4Runner202020 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Collins Posts: 593	irbis offroad in colorado did a frame swap http://irbisoffroad.com/project4.asp __________________ 96 4Runner, 4in lift (883's w/ top plate spacer, Land Cruiser's 8 coil) Pro Comp Xtreme AT 315/75/16's. rear e-locker *I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE JEEP THING THATS WHY I HAVE A TOYOTA!!*

03-19-2009, 07:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	notice the lower shok mount is wut, 1/2 the distance or less to the outside of the hub (where the wheel mounts) from the a arm pivot ... so the 8" of shok travel translates to LONG travel ifs at the wheel ... i hav the stock top bumpstops there is no way the axleshafts could possibly GO beyond stock downtravel angle ... (it's a stock trailmaster drop mount lift) the pic shows maximum uptravel everything except the torsion bar adjusting bolt is connected i drove this way after i purposely broke the bolt on a dip (i wuz tired of puttin slots in the adjusting bolt holder metal trying to saw thru the bolt hed while laying on the floor with my circular saw, so i broke it insted) it felt funny put a hole in the floor of course made a loud noise too mite even kill sumone sittin in the passenger seat, dunno the axleshaft made no noise so wut's the axleshafts joints max angle? i'm not gonna take mine apart wen i already know mine works and has the stated travel but i'd get airshox cuz they're super cheap and WAY superior there is a neoprene sleeve inside the outer shok cover it's not even a bag or donut just glued i guess the shok body itself is the rest of the air bladder truly excellent stuff had mine at least 3 years never a problem i can air up my rear suspension 5" e z could easily be dun on a sas gawd it will be too phunny if it starts a trend on them cough other boards gabriel stopped making the hyjacker rabbit stickers gawd

03-19-2009, 07:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	the track bar clears the frame by 1/4" at full lock SO how could the axleshaft POSSIBLY be unable to do sed travel ??? i related my actual years of experience just put on a 4" drop kit take out the t bar adjusting bolt jack the wheels off the ground take off the shok and MEASURE THE FREEKING WHEEL TRAVEL ALREADY o k ? dun b surprised wen at full lock the track rod hits the frame cuz it will ...

03-19-2009, 07:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	no, drop mount kit is INSTANT more travel unless u limit it with bumpstops or short shox just like removing the stock bumpstops is instant more travel with NO lift ... wut's cornering like with bj spacers? ever notice the difference in camber change while the suspension flexes?

03-19-2009, 07:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	wut is the end of the steering on both sides called? cums with ball joint...

03-19-2009, 07:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	jeeeeeeeez i hav box stock a arms with box stock original mounts and completely STOCK trailmaster 4" lift and am gettin told i'm wrong about my actual experience by someone who duzn't know wut a track rod is if u understood wut an airshok is i guess you would understand how the t bar is not supplying all the lift or "spring" action i can take the t bars off and drive the truck and it mite hav superior ride at least at times CUZ I HAV AIRSHOX gawd

03-19-2009, 08:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
toynado Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	lemmesee, didn't somebody named toyody take off the t bars and put only shox on their newer model? gawd airshox in quotes as if they dun exist even tho i provided a pic ... my axleshafts work perfect after 200+K miles original boots almost a foot of travel such a superior ride ... and instantly adjustable lift could hav in cab controls could be modded to eliminate body roll with sensors and valves like an expensive car only DIRT cheap to do that

03-19-2009, 09:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
slcpunk74 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SL,UT Posts: 125	I was thinking of making my own suspension kit with the help of a local guy that races who made his own. I would say that considering I run a jd fab 4x4 kit that is a 3"+ wider kit and I only pull 14" that you would really need to go wider to pull 12". I think I will have to build my own stuff to be something like 6+" on each side to pull much more then 14" but if Im going that far why not shift the engine back and run a center mounted setup ha ha. __________________ 1994 yoda jd fab lt front,62" deaver back,full glass, and kings. 1997 xj the DD/prerunner 1974 bronco 5.8 EFI 4r70w np205 "IN PROGRESS" With the navigation arrow pointed straight at Ihop Aunt Jamaima really likes me cause my syrup is so hot!

03-20-2009, 09:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
Hypoid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 94	This thread is hilarious! __________________ 1) Please check the FAQ first 2) If you don't see it there, please search You can't get good engineers without good education.

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