It must suck to be a Democrat

4Mogger · 04-09-2008, 07:42 PM

1. Hillary wants all of the caucus and primary votes to count so that the delegates can all be seated at the National Convention---where the candidate for President is chosen by those very same delegates. She says that she does not want to disenfranchise ANY voter.
2. BUT, she states that the delegates are free to vote for whomever they wish, no matter how the state they represent voted.
So...I ask you...Why in the bloody hell do Democrats even bother with a caucus or primary? Just skip the pointless caucuses and primaries and get all of the "Delegates" and "Super Delegates" together and let them vote. That would save millions and millions of dollars and the people's votes don't really count anyway.

"Super" Delegate. That must be some special individual. I figure their vote is worth at least as much as, say, 1 or 2 million of the dumb schmoes that waste their time going to the polls.

And isn't it ironic that the party with a name that reflects "democracy" (one man, one vote)---Democratic Party--- is actually the party in which the average Joe's vote is worth....well, absolutely nothing.

I am just sayin'......

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***fustercluck*** · 04-09-2008, 08:59 PM

Hehe hehe. Where've you been Mogger?

Elvota · 04-09-2008, 11:42 PM

Some interesting points there.

So... I assume we should all be voting Republican then since there is zero evidence of idiocy or wasteful government to be found on the Elephants side of the hall.

ocdropzone · 04-09-2008, 11:46 PM

i always thought that the Democrats had an appropriate mascot.

Both sides of the political process have demonstrated their inability to be trustworthy and have historically provided examples of having their collective heads in a darky smelly place.

stormin94 · 04-10-2008, 12:46 AM

I don't know about you, but I kinda like all the drama on the left side of the fence.

I thought 2008 was the year we elect another president, not a drama queen.

Those poor folks in Florida can't handle another recount anyway. I don't think they have even realized what happened in 2000.

PS, no offense to any Floridians, but to avoid any future confusion, please punch out the ballot completely, as this time, there will be no counting of hanging chads.

YodaPala · 04-10-2008, 01:18 AM

Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul. The TRUE conservative. If you dissagree right off the bat, see his youtube videos, the proof is in the pudding. If you ask him a blunt question, you will get a blunt answer, WAshington needs a guy with some balls. Hilldog, huesein obama, and mc shame make me sick. The United States of America is sooooooooooo *MOD EDIT RE-READ YT RULE # 3 PLEASE!* its not even funny. The friggin election is a joke!!!!!! Why the *MOD EDIT RE-READ YT RULE # 3 PLEASE!* does our ballots get counted in South Africa!!!!!!!???????? The only way the election system would be accurate is to be counted by us citizens with a gun to someones head doin' it. But thats neither here or there, Sheesh George did it right? it worked for him, Right? YAY America is .......good job washington we love you, we appreciate you taking care of us from cradle to grave. NOT!!!! Give us Americans some privacy for once. I could do this all day but my head would explode, wait.....did I light a match?

Mason Dixon · 04-10-2008, 06:30 AM

YodaPala · 04-10-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

Friggin gross lookin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psalm 112 · 04-10-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodaPala

Friggin gross lookin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S TRUE!!!!

There really is someone uglier than Hillary.

JohnRaven · 04-10-2008, 10:28 AM

OMG LOL! That is hideous!!

904_runner · 04-10-2008, 10:31 AM

Well shoot, im not even voting this year. I would but i miss out by 2 weeks, but i think if i were able to vote i would have paid way more attention and would actually be able to make a decision. So in all spirits heres a joke.

"why did Monica Lewinsky change to being a republican?

Because the democrats left a bad taste in her mouth!"

Sorry if i offend anybody who finds that joke immature, but too bad!

hey i heard it so i thought id share it!

904_runner · 04-10-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psalm 112

IT'S TRUE!!!!

There really is someone uglier than Hillary.

X2 I'm going to have to agree

Psalm 112 · 04-10-2008, 12:10 PM

These little throw-up guys are pretty cool...I think I'll vote for them!

Sloan · 04-10-2008, 12:54 PM

thats why everyone should just write in Alan Keyes for president lol

stormin94 · 04-10-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mason Dixon

I'd hit that....what ever it is..

I meant I'd hit it with my car....

stevrock · 04-10-2008, 04:10 PM

So the key to winning the presidential election is to not be ugly?
If that were true, Gore should have beat Bush in a landslide... not a slight margin.

4Mogger · 04-10-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Some interesting points there.

So... I assume we should all be voting Republican then since there is zero evidence of idiocy or wasteful government to be found on the Elephants side of the hall.

Vote for whomever you like. But at least if you vote Republican, your vote will count/will have counted.

Your vote for a Democrat was/will be entirely symbolic. Symbolizing...wait for it...nothing. Or perhaps simply, that you are a mindless sheep, casting your vote for someone you may or may not like and having that vote discarded so that a career politician (delegate) that one candidate or the other owns outright will vote the way you should have voted in their opinion.
Afterall, according to Democrats, the average Joe is too stupid to know how to do much of anything, much less vote intelligently. He needs someone that knows better to vote for him.

Elvota · 04-10-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Mogger

Afterall, according to Democrats, the average Joe is too stupid to know how to do much of anything, much less vote intelligently. He needs someone that knows better to vote for him.

Thanks for straightening that all out.

I like knowing that a vote for a Republican is a safe vote for us all.

4Mogger · 04-10-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Thanks for straightening that all out.

I like knowing that a vote for a Republican is a safe vote for us all.

Who said anything thing about "safe?" You want safe, check into the clinic with the padded rooms. I said "count." As in the intended purpose of a vote...to be counted.
Clearly the vote for McCain would be very, very dangerous. Particularly for anyone associated with, or even friendly with, Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is just waiting for either Obama or Hillary to win the nomination so they can come out and endorse the Democrat nominee.

Elvota · 04-10-2008, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Mogger

Clearly the vote for McCain would be very, very dangerous. Particularly for anyone associated with, or even friendly with, Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is just waiting for either Obama or Hillary to win the nomination so they can come out and endorse the Democrat nominee.

Are you saying that the Al Qaeda organization are Democrats... or Democrats are part of Al Qaeda?

stevrock · 04-10-2008, 04:59 PM

***fustercluck*** · 04-10-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Are you saying that the Al Qaeda organization are Democrats... or Democrats are part of Al Qaeda?

I'll say that between the two options, Al Queda would prefer the model the Dems advance over that of the Reps.

I'll also contend that whether intentionally or not, what the Dems have done strategically for political advantage, has benefitted Al Queda...

So a rose by any other name smells as sweet.

Elvota · 04-10-2008, 05:45 PM

It seems then that the purpose of this thread was to ...

A. Point out that the voting process the Democrat party uses "sucks".
B. To explain that when voting for a Democrat your vote doesn't really count.
C. To compare Democrats to Al Queda in regards to their political model.

If all that's true... what's the goal of this thread then?

Elvota · 04-10-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fustercluck

I'll also contend that whether intentionally or not, what the Dems have done strategically for political advantage, has benefitted Al Queda...

Although a board where Toyota enthusiasts come to talk about mods and trails and such would be the last place to debate such a topic...

... couldn't the argument be made that Republican policies over the last 7 or more years have also given Al Queda more recruitment fuel and welcomed instability then they could have ever imagined or achieved on their own?

4Mogger · 04-10-2008, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Although a board where Toyota enthusiasts come to talk about mods and trails and such would be the last place to debate such a topic...

... couldn't the argument be made that Republican policies over the last 7 or more years have also given Al Queda more recruitment fuel and welcomed instability then they could have ever imagined or achieved on their own?

I love it. You actively participate in a thread and then at some point decide that it would be a better idea to attack the thread itself that actually enter into a logical debate.

I think one of the most important functions of 4X4 forums in general is to unite like minded wheelers around common causes that are vital to the survival of our outdoor adventures. So, politics will undoubtedly become part of the conversation.

Which party is "generally" anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-off road vehicles, oppose modifications to vehicles...et cetera??? We all know the answer to that.

So whether you like it or not, politics is the elephant in the room.

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Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	Some interesting points there. So... I assume we should all be voting Republican then since there is zero evidence of idiocy or wasteful government to be found on the Elephants side of the hall. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

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ocdropzone Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX, OR Posts: 4,706	i always thought that the Democrats had an appropriate mascot. Both sides of the political process have demonstrated their inability to be trustworthy and have historically provided examples of having their collective heads in a darky smelly place. __________________ ~Robb '81 Trekker The B4Runner Build TREKKER Forum Mini FAQ/Misc Ideas Thread TRY THESE SEARCH LINKS GOOGLE FOR TOYOTA WEBSITES LINK TO ONLINE FACTORY SERVICE MANUALS Drive a real 1st Gen Wheel Responsibly, Don't Screw It Up for Others

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stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,535	I don't know about you, but I kinda like all the drama on the left side of the fence. I thought 2008 was the year we elect another president, not a drama queen. Those poor folks in Florida can't handle another recount anyway. I don't think they have even realized what happened in 2000. PS, no offense to any Floridians, but to avoid any future confusion, please punch out the ballot completely, as this time, there will be no counting of hanging chads. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 213,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 10/15 MPG city/hwy(with 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

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YodaPala Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gateway City Posts: 486	Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul. The TRUE conservative. If you dissagree right off the bat, see his youtube videos, the proof is in the pudding. If you ask him a blunt question, you will get a blunt answer, WAshington needs a guy with some balls. Hilldog, huesein obama, and mc shame make me sick. The United States of America is sooooooooooo MOD EDIT RE-READ YT RULE # 3 PLEASE! its not even funny. The friggin election is a joke!!!!!! Why the MOD EDIT RE-READ YT RULE # 3 PLEASE! does our ballots get counted in South Africa!!!!!!!???????? The only way the election system would be accurate is to be counted by us citizens with a gun to someones head doin' it. But thats neither here or there, Sheesh George did it right? it worked for him, Right? YAY America is .......good job washington we love you, we appreciate you taking care of us from cradle to grave. NOT!!!! Give us Americans some privacy for once. I could do this all day but my head would explode, wait.....did I light a match? __________________ Jardine cat-back exhaust, Airaid cold air, Alpine 9815 receiver, two pair polk momo component (mm6) speakers, two polk 12" subs (dx12) Alpine dvd changer, Alpine xm radio module, lightning audio 1.0 farad capacitor rockford fosgate (two) 250@2 punch amps, (one) rockford fosgate 200@4 for the components, all monster cable wiring for ai-net stuff+power wiring. Dynamat all over the place, Yakima king cobra bike racks, Bridgestone REVO's 255/70/16 mated to 16x8 trd Ivan Stewart wheels Last edited by Lysmachia; 04-10-2008 at 07:58 AM. Reason: Bypassing Cuss Sensor - MOD EDIT RE-READ YT RULE # 3 PLEASE!

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904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	Well shoot, im not even voting this year. I would but i miss out by 2 weeks, but i think if i were able to vote i would have paid way more attention and would actually be able to make a decision. So in all spirits heres a joke. "why did Monica Lewinsky change to being a republican? Because the democrats left a bad taste in her mouth!" Sorry if i offend anybody who finds that joke immature, but too bad! hey i heard it so i thought id share it! __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html Last edited by 904_runner; 04-10-2008 at 10:32 AM.

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Psalm 112 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 286	These little throw-up guys are pretty cool...I think I'll vote for them! __________________ *'98 4Runner Lmtd 4WD - Lifted - Factory Locker - 285's* -Rola Roof Rack -*Ruger w/in Reach*

04-10-2008, 05:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	It seems then that the purpose of this thread was to ... A. Point out that the voting process the Democrat party uses "sucks". B. To explain that when voting for a Democrat your vote doesn't really count. C. To compare Democrats to Al Queda in regards to their political model. If all that's true... what's the goal of this thread then? __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

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