Micael Phelps:scandal or not? - Page 4

904_runner · 02-04-2009, 02:15 PM

X2 gilby4runner.

I agree in that sense.

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NRandall · 02-04-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 904_runner

Live how you want. I could care less.

But if you endanger me or anybody else, is when i start to have a problem with how people make choices.

Really?
So does a person have a "right" to ride a motorcycle without a helmet?
How about if he has no (or inadequate) insurance, crashes and runs up a million dollar hospital bill that he can't pay? That is infringing upon the rights of the rest of us to have reasonable heath care costs because we have to cover for him.
How about smoking?
People should have the right to smoke?
And so after a couple of decades, they get cancer and run up a bunch of bills that they can't pay or even if they have insurance, the insurance tops out at a half million-- so that also is an infringement upon the rest of us.
How about just being a big fat slob?
Some fatass eats his weight in pie everyday and cannot work because he is "disabled" and needs to rest of us to subsidize his massive fast food bill, rent, etc.
So I would add... live how you want, but take care of yourself if you choose to be a idiot about it.
And this is the problem with socialism-- the place we are headed at full speed.
It encourages irresponsibility by requiring responsible people to pay disproportionately for the poor choices of others. This is effectively subsidizing laziness. And worse yet, it taxes (discourages) responsible and prudent behavior.

904_runner · 02-04-2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRandall

Really?
So does a person have a "right" to ride a motorcycle without a helmet?
How about if he has no (or inadequate) insurance, crashes and runs up a million dollar hospital bill that he can't pay? That is infringing upon the rights of the rest of us to have reasonable heath care costs because we have to cover for him.
How about smoking?
People should have the right to smoke?
And so after a couple of decades, they get cancer and run up a bunch of bills that they can't pay or even if they have insurance, the insurance tops out at a half million-- so that also is an infringement upon the rest of us.
How about just being a big fat slob?
Some fatass eats his weight in pie everyday and cannot work because he is "disabled" and needs to rest of us to subsidize his massive fast food bill, rent, etc.
So I would add... live how you want, but take care of yourself if you choose to be a idiot about it.
And this is the problem with socialism-- the place we are headed at full speed.
It encourages irresponsibility by requiring responsible people to pay disproportionately for the poor choices of others. This is effectively subsidizing laziness. And worse yet, it taxes (discourages) responsible and prudent behavior.

Is anyone of those ENDANGERING me?

X-AWDriver · 02-05-2009, 08:56 AM

Endangering no but I think he means by.........let's say with smokers you can end up paying more in taxes and such to pay for that insurance smoker's that it can have a negative effect on your finances.

Helmetless motorcycle riders? Most helmetless motorcycle riders don't go to the hospital but ther helmeted riders reduce their risk for death but their hospital stays will cost us more. Helmetless riders are simply proving Darwin's theory and it's one of many things I think an adult should be wise enough to make w/o the goverment babysitting us.

hross14 · 02-05-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by gilby4runner

I am glad that millions of pot smokers can now rally and watch him swim in the Olympics. Also, that you feel freed from your "pot head" image. I hope you can inhale a little easier tonight. His actions are seen and judged my millions. Little kids want to grow up to be him. I feel that what he does is his business but he should consider the impact upon his image and the influence that he carries.

He didnt take the picture--its not his fault that society has no respect for the privacy of others.

As Socrates once said- (Basically) if it isnt of a good nature and only harms or damages another person--then i dont want to here it/dont repeat it.

He thought he was with friends and could relax--you know that thing you do when you are with friends and not being a role model.....

BY THE WAY--did you know that MLK had estramarital affairs? Hasnt seemed to tarnish his images with kids or adults.

Good lesson to be learned is that we are all human and have faults--let that not distract from the person as a whole....

hross14 · 02-05-2009, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRandall

So I would add... live how you want, but take care of yourself if you choose to be a idiot about it.
And this is the problem with socialism-- the place we are headed at full speed.
It encourages irresponsibility by requiring responsible people to pay disproportionately for the poor choices of others. This is effectively subsidizing laziness. And worse yet, it taxes (discourages) responsible and prudent behavior.

Couldnt of said it any better--there was a reason our fore fathers set our government up the way they did--because they saw what did and didnt work

BT17R · 02-05-2009, 04:12 PM

Kellogg to drop Phelps over pot smoking photo

http://www.reflector.com/sports/kell...to-417592.html

85TurboRunner · 02-05-2009, 11:22 PM

too bad for kellog. When he wins a load of medals in 2012 they won't be able to ride on his band wagon.

BT17R · 02-05-2009, 11:37 PM

Nah, who remembers many Olympians anyway? I'm afraid Phelps went from fame to infamy in the endorsement world.

Put yourself in Kellogg's position. Would you spend endorsement money on Phelps or someone who represents your product in the best, untarnished way?

Maybe that bong maker can snag him now, but how many stoners can afford a $500 (someone in this thread said) pipe?

Might be time for Phelps to grovel on Oprah...

stormin94 · 02-05-2009, 11:43 PM

It's just some dumb small county DA/ Sheriff trying to get put on the map by making a big deal out of what is essentially nothing. So he has a picture that shows him smoking out of a bong, so what. He said that it was pot in the bong, but if this whole rediculous thing goes to court, he can just plead the fifth amendment(no self incrimination). So if he pleads the fifth, all the evidence the prosecution has is a picture of Phelps smoking an unknown substance out of a bong- which I will add, is not illegal in any of the 50 states.

I dunno, I guess I see things a little differently, since I'm from California, and some Doctors can recommend that you have up to 5 pounds of processed mary jane in your possession at any given time, and not be in violation of state law.

The Phelps thing is a non issue. Just think, who is he hurting? Who is the victim of his actions? He obviously isn't just a dope smoking degenerate, since he is afterall the greatest olympian of all time. What effect does him smoking reefer have on society/the rest of us? NOTHING. I could care less if he smokes dope occaisionally.

I guess what really bothers me is that a picture of someone smoking out of a bong is causing so much controversy. There is a serious meth problem sweeping across the nation, and gang problems, and what does the local law enforcement do? They go after a photograph of someone smoking out of a bong.

01d's kool · 02-06-2009, 06:38 AM

As I was reading all these posts, pro and con, I remembered something from about a month ago....archeologists dug up some dude in a tomb in China with about 2 lbs of stash buried with him! They figured it to be 2700 years old. Now if this ancient feller felt his stash to be worthy of burial with him, are we to judge him harshly? I mean, come on. These laws today are simply packing our prisons with the real victims of victimless crimes. What would all those snitches, narcs, cops, lawyers, judges, rehab specialists, guards, parole officers, and drug dealers (cartels) do without these inane laws on the books? There is too much money to be made NOT legalizing marijuana.

gilby4runner · 02-06-2009, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hross14

He didnt take the picture--its not his fault that society has no respect for the privacy of others.

As Socrates once said- (Basically) if it isnt of a good nature and only harms or damages another person--then i dont want to here it/dont repeat it.

He thought he was with friends and could relax--you know that thing you do when you are with friends and not being a role model.....

BY THE WAY--did you know that MLK had extramarital affairs? Hasnt seemed to tarnish his images with kids or adults.

Good lesson to be learned is that we are all human and have faults--let that not distract from the person as a whole....

My point being... IF you are in the spotlight ,such as Phelps has been over the past year, then you should be responsible for your actions and also take into consideration the impact your actions have. Your point of MLK was a little off the main topic. Was there ever a picture of him in bed with a woman other than his wife? Times have changed. If that were to happen to such a leader today the picture would be on the web and seen by billions. I just feel the point is that he should be held accountable for his actions.

Since so many "green connoisseur's" have commented on the bong he was using and the fact that he has not denied it just shows me that there is a great possibility that he wasnt caught the "first time" he ever smoked. Its like these NFL players who get busted repeatedly for drugs. Why not do the right thing and live up to your reputation and image. IF you want to smoke wait until after the 2012 olympics, win more gold, get even more money and smoke yourself stupid?

Yes we all have faults. I will be the first to admit that i am not perfect. But i carry the same standards for my self while i am in front of people as i do when i am just relaxing with friends. I refuse to stand and preach to people then turn around and live a double standard. Weed isn't the real issue. I would feel the same if he was busted for domestic assault, a DUI, kicking a dog or pushing an old lady to the ground. (Wide range of things but i think you get the point)

Jay351 · 02-07-2009, 01:46 PM

Who cares? Did he hurt anyone? No, did he have an unfair advantage beacause of smoking weed? No... If anything, it makes him slower. Just becasue some d-bag decided to make one of the most usefull plants in the world illegal.... makes sence lol

let the guy toke up, go after the crack addicts or something

stormin94 · 02-07-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay351

Who cares? Did he hurt anyone? No, did he have an unfair advantage beacause of smoking weed? No... If anything, it makes him slower. Just becasue some d-bag decided to make one of the most usefull plants in the world illegal.... makes sence lol

let the guy toke up, go after the crack addicts or something

X2

X-AWDriver · 02-09-2009, 01:09 PM

From SNL:

If my kid came to me and asked "can I smoke pot like Michael Phelps?"

I'll tell him "you win 12 gold medals for your country then you can smoke pot"

It's funny now that we know A-Rod tested positive and he's admitting it and nobody seems to be so concerned about how kids will view him and will sponsors drop him?
He was doing an illegal and banned substance that directly enhanced his performance within the confines of his sport.

Here's where we see double standards.

BT17R · 02-09-2009, 02:13 PM

I don't think it was illegal and banned at the time he used.

**DeathCougar** · 02-09-2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-AWDriver

From SNL:

If my kid came to me and asked "can I smoke pot like Michael Phelps?"

I'll tell him "you win 12 gold medals for your country then you can smoke pot"

It's funny now that we know A-Rod tested positive and he's admitting it and nobody seems to be so concerned about how kids will view him and will sponsors drop him?
He was doing an illegal and banned substance that directly enhanced his performance within the confines of his sport.

Here's where we see double standards.

Actually, this is ALL over the news, and its a major problem. It has only been what, a few days? Just like in the Michael Phelps situation, this will develop over time.

**DeathCougar** · 02-09-2009, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BT17R

I don't think it was illegal and banned at the time he used.

I was also going to mention this, but I did not have hard proof of such a thing. However, if it was indeed not banned/illegal, then it shouldn't even be a news story. Weed has always been Illegal for a very long time, so it is a news story.

X-AWDriver · 02-09-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BT17R

I don't think it was illegal and banned at the time he used.

Steroids in general are a controlled substance and has been for quite a while.

"Concerns over a growing illicit market and prevalence of abuse combined with the possibility of harmful long-term effects of steroid use led Congress to place anabolic steroids into Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) in 1991. It is therefore illegal to possess or sell anabolic steroids without a valid prescription. Some States have also implemented additional fines and penalties for illegal use of anabolic steroids."

It's a much bigger penatly than possesing pot which should tell america something since how long something has been banned has nothing to do with it but alot of the country is ignorant about steroids.

BT17R · 02-09-2009, 04:12 PM

I stand corrected, thought I'd read that but can't find the source now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847

nc994run · 02-09-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilby4runner

I would feel the same if he was busted for domestic assault, a DUI, kicking a dog or pushing an old lady to the ground. (Wide range of things but i think you get the point)

He actually was busted for a DUI about 5 years ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in654380.shtml

X-AWDriver · 02-10-2009, 06:24 AM

Weed might be illegal in most of the country but as a society we have a tolerant view of it or why does Spencer Gifts in the malls across america sell marijuans garb as they even have a whole section devoted to it. That's a big double standard we have in america.

arjan · 02-10-2009, 08:53 AM

I am always amazed about the US that way.
It is supposed to be a free country, but when you're terminally ill and you want to die in what you feel is a respectful way (euthanasia), then that's not allowed.
If you light some greenery on fire, and you like inhale the fumes so it makes you feel funny, then that's illegal also.
Inhaling fumes from anything on fire, never seemed an overly good idea to me by the way, but to each his own.

If we're talking about diminishing morals, I think there are some bigger things to worry about then some people smoking weed in their spare time.

I never smoke anything, never touched weed, grew up in The Netherlands, but also strongly feel if you want to do certain things that don't affect others then go right ahead. It's your life,do with it what you want.

All the wasted money on fighting marijuana, while apparently a large part of the population want to consume it is ridiculous also.
It also creates a large market for organized crime. Legalizing and controlling it would take a lot of wind out of the sails of the Hell Angels and other gangs. I am not saying it's their only source of revenue, but it's definitely a big one.

Driving under the influence is a whole other subject, that potentially affects others in a very bad way.

X-AWDriver · 02-10-2009, 11:09 AM

"Not one but two surgeons general have said that tobacco use is the worst cause of death in the United States that can be prevented -- that we lose 400,000 people a year to tobacco-related incidents and over time it runs into the millions. Yet not only do we not outlaw tobacco, but the U.S. Congress keeps giving subsidies to the tobacco industry and everybody sits back and smiles."

But not one documented case of Marijuana killing anybody and people have such an issue with it being available legally to adults.

That's hypocrisy

**DeathCougar** · 02-10-2009, 11:17 AM

IIRC its not Tobacco that kills people, its all the "other things" they put in Cigs that do the trick. Nicotine, etc etc. So, "Tobacco" doesn't kill anyone, just the same as "Marijuana" doesn't kill anyone.

Weed is all natural, however I wonder if it was legalized, what would be added to it before being put on the open market?

02-05-2009, 08:56 AM	#79 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	Endangering no but I think he means by.........let's say with smokers you can end up paying more in taxes and such to pay for that insurance smoker's that it can have a negative effect on your finances. Helmetless motorcycle riders? Most helmetless motorcycle riders don't go to the hospital but ther helmeted riders reduce their risk for death but their hospital stays will cost us more. Helmetless riders are simply proving Darwin's theory and it's one of many things I think an adult should be wise enough to make w/o the goverment babysitting us. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub Last edited by X-AWDriver; 02-05-2009 at 09:00 AM.

02-05-2009, 04:12 PM	#82 (permalink)
BT17R Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Da Gorge, Oregon Posts: 5,674	Kellogg to drop Phelps over pot smoking photo http://www.reflector.com/sports/kell...to-417592.html __________________ '07 FJ Cruiser TRD SE 6M/T

02-05-2009, 11:22 PM	#83 (permalink)
85TurboRunner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 1,067	too bad for kellog. When he wins a load of medals in 2012 they won't be able to ride on his band wagon. __________________ 1985 4runner 22re 5spd.

02-05-2009, 11:37 PM	#84 (permalink)
BT17R Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Da Gorge, Oregon Posts: 5,674	Nah, who remembers many Olympians anyway? I'm afraid Phelps went from fame to infamy in the endorsement world. Put yourself in Kellogg's position. Would you spend endorsement money on Phelps or someone who represents your product in the best, untarnished way? Maybe that bong maker can snag him now, but how many stoners can afford a $500 (someone in this thread said) pipe? Might be time for Phelps to grovel on Oprah... __________________ '07 FJ Cruiser TRD SE 6M/T

02-05-2009, 11:43 PM	#85 (permalink)
stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,539	It's just some dumb small county DA/ Sheriff trying to get put on the map by making a big deal out of what is essentially nothing. So he has a picture that shows him smoking out of a bong, so what. He said that it was pot in the bong, but if this whole rediculous thing goes to court, he can just plead the fifth amendment(no self incrimination). So if he pleads the fifth, all the evidence the prosecution has is a picture of Phelps smoking an unknown substance out of a bong- which I will add, is not illegal in any of the 50 states. I dunno, I guess I see things a little differently, since I'm from California, and some Doctors can recommend that you have up to 5 pounds of processed mary jane in your possession at any given time, and not be in violation of state law. The Phelps thing is a non issue. Just think, who is he hurting? Who is the victim of his actions? He obviously isn't just a dope smoking degenerate, since he is afterall the greatest olympian of all time. What effect does him smoking reefer have on society/the rest of us? NOTHING. I could care less if he smokes dope occaisionally. I guess what really bothers me is that a picture of someone smoking out of a bong is causing so much controversy. There is a serious meth problem sweeping across the nation, and gang problems, and what does the local law enforcement do? They go after a photograph of someone smoking out of a bong. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 213,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 10/15 MPG city/hwy(with 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

02-06-2009, 06:38 AM	#86 (permalink)
01d's kool Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: fla or LI Posts: 36	As I was reading all these posts, pro and con, I remembered something from about a month ago....archeologists dug up some dude in a tomb in China with about 2 lbs of stash buried with him! They figured it to be 2700 years old. Now if this ancient feller felt his stash to be worthy of burial with him, are we to judge him harshly? I mean, come on. These laws today are simply packing our prisons with the real victims of victimless crimes. What would all those snitches, narcs, cops, lawyers, judges, rehab specialists, guards, parole officers, and drug dealers (cartels) do without these inane laws on the books? There is too much money to be made NOT legalizing marijuana.

02-07-2009, 01:46 PM	#88 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,642	Who cares? Did he hurt anyone? No, did he have an unfair advantage beacause of smoking weed? No... If anything, it makes him slower. Just becasue some d-bag decided to make one of the most usefull plants in the world illegal.... makes sence lol let the guy toke up, go after the crack addicts or something __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486 Last edited by Jay351; 02-07-2009 at 01:49 PM.

02-09-2009, 01:09 PM	#90 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	From SNL: If my kid came to me and asked "can I smoke pot like Michael Phelps?" I'll tell him "you win 12 gold medals for your country then you can smoke pot" It's funny now that we know A-Rod tested positive and he's admitting it and nobody seems to be so concerned about how kids will view him and will sponsors drop him? He was doing an illegal and banned substance that directly enhanced his performance within the confines of his sport. Here's where we see double standards. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

02-09-2009, 02:13 PM	#91 (permalink)
BT17R Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Da Gorge, Oregon Posts: 5,674	I don't think it was illegal and banned at the time he used. __________________ '07 FJ Cruiser TRD SE 6M/T

02-09-2009, 04:12 PM	#95 (permalink)
BT17R Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Da Gorge, Oregon Posts: 5,674	I stand corrected, thought I'd read that but can't find the source now. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847 __________________ '07 FJ Cruiser TRD SE 6M/T

02-10-2009, 06:24 AM	#97 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	Weed might be illegal in most of the country but as a society we have a tolerant view of it or why does Spencer Gifts in the malls across america sell marijuans garb as they even have a whole section devoted to it. That's a big double standard we have in america. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

02-10-2009, 08:53 AM	#98 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	I am always amazed about the US that way. It is supposed to be a free country, but when you're terminally ill and you want to die in what you feel is a respectful way (euthanasia), then that's not allowed. If you light some greenery on fire, and you like inhale the fumes so it makes you feel funny, then that's illegal also. Inhaling fumes from anything on fire, never seemed an overly good idea to me by the way, but to each his own. If we're talking about diminishing morals, I think there are some bigger things to worry about then some people smoking weed in their spare time. I never smoke anything, never touched weed, grew up in The Netherlands, but also strongly feel if you want to do certain things that don't affect others then go right ahead. It's your life,do with it what you want. All the wasted money on fighting marijuana, while apparently a large part of the population want to consume it is ridiculous also. It also creates a large market for organized crime. Legalizing and controlling it would take a lot of wind out of the sails of the Hell Angels and other gangs. I am not saying it's their only source of revenue, but it's definitely a big one. Driving under the influence is a whole other subject, that potentially affects others in a very bad way. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

02-10-2009, 11:09 AM	#99 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,179	"Not one but two surgeons general have said that tobacco use is the worst cause of death in the United States that can be prevented -- that we lose 400,000 people a year to tobacco-related incidents and over time it runs into the millions. Yet not only do we not outlaw tobacco, but the U.S. Congress keeps giving subsidies to the tobacco industry and everybody sits back and smiles." But not one documented case of Marijuana killing anybody and people have such an issue with it being available legally to adults. That's hypocrisy __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

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