Micael Phelps:scandal or not? - Page 2

pyro29073 · 02-02-2009, 03:59 PM

the man won 8!!! i repeat 8! gold medals and broke 7 world records, he is the worlds fastest swimmer, now, dont you think he deserves to celibrate a little?
haha

i myself prefer smoking out of a bowl, but a good pot-head can fabricate a bong out of just about anything around them

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Al's Chop Shop · 02-02-2009, 05:04 PM

funny how this thread shows how many idiot pot heads there are in this group.

if you think ADD is cured by smoking pot, you obviously don't have ADD. i have ADD, and being stoned all day would only make things worse.

Al

scuba · 02-03-2009, 12:00 AM

that was probably some nice tree, but on the real, Why is the general public really worried about it, we have so many more legit things in this world to be worried about.

nosfanatic2006 · 02-03-2009, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Al's Chop Shop

funny how this thread shows how many idiot pot heads there are in this group.

if you think ADD is cured by smoking pot, you obviously don't have ADD. i have ADD, and being stoned all day would only make things worse.

Al

Why exactly are pot heads idiots?

X-AWDriver · 02-03-2009, 05:47 AM

I don't think he was calling all potheads idiots,I think he was refering to a select few comments by a couple of the green tokers. .

rdharper · 02-03-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by X-AWDriver

I think he's actually going to weather this just fine since he was straight up and apologetic and it would be worse if it was steroids. Even our President has admitted to using it when he was younger. He could lose a couple sponsors but public will forgive him and move on.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story...PHCP&gt1=39002

Could be right, as long as no "3rd strike". If he does some kind of give-back of his time, he might even turn it to his advantage... over time. Maybe an ad drawing attention to his mistake.. make it light, short and positive.

nosfanatic2006 · 02-03-2009, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by X-AWDriver

I don't think he was calling all potheads idiots,I think he was refering to a select few comments by a couple of the green tokers. .

Ah. I don't consider myself a pot head. Yeah I've smoked a few times but its been about 2 years since the list time I did. I just think if I did do it again I would want to do it with him, just to say I did

.

I have a few friends who are pretty hard core pot heads and they are smarter and be more reliable than any other person I know, that's where I kinda took offense to his comment

.

rdharper · 02-03-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nosfanatic2006

Ah. I don't consider myself a pot head. Yeah I've smoked a few times but its been about 2 years since the list time I did. I just think if I did do it again I would want to do it with him, just to say I did

.

I have a few friends who are pretty hard core pot heads and they are smarter and be more reliable than any other person I know, that's where I kinda took offense to his comment

.

The question is... would they be smarter... or dumber... if they did not smoke dope?

mrdoug · 02-03-2009, 06:57 AM

Damn, he's like a normal person and had to apologize for it?

yeah, yeah, ok, so there are alot of folks who don't smoke pot. What's the current stat for the # of people who have at least tried it or smoked at one point in their lives? Perhaps he should be apologizing for hanging out with 'friends' that took pictures and leaked them. Poor choice in friends, shame on you Michael.

is this where we're at? we're apologizing to people we don't even know because we did something that most people do, has no effect on other people (as long as you stay home) and is generally harmless?

If anything he's handicapped himself slightly. Pot just can't be called a performance enhancing drug with a straight face (unless you're competing at a pink floyd listening contest).

I'm off to start writing my apology letters now.

SC4Runner · 02-03-2009, 06:59 AM

Im confused...the picture is all wrong...

It looks as if he's already inhaled right? There is no smoke in the bong, so that means its either been sucked in or just started, but, he looks like he's full of air, so I thought he sucked in already. The problem is that you can see the reflection of the lighter still ON... Anyways, it doesn't make much sense to me. You light it suck for a while and turn off the lighter. The only way to "clear" it is to pull up the stem from the bong...and thus the lighter has already gone out...

Lastly, who the HELL would take a picture of you and then release it to the public like that? What a douche...

Still I think its pretty lame he was smoking. Its funny to think such an athlete can do well even while doing that stuff.

hross14 · 02-03-2009, 07:39 AM

AL CHOP--I take that personally--I guess i should hand back my CPA and Accounting Degree--How about Being Principle chair Trombonist for the southern Cali Ochestra.....

Maybe somebody with ADD shouldnt be in this conversation. It takes to much mind power for them to comprehend. Truth be known--everything effects everybody in different ways--be it small or large.

Had i smoked pot before--hmmm?? But if i did have a son i would prefer him to do that versus alcohol.

Name calling and or alluding to someones mental status was immature.

FUSTER--I agree with you on alot of things--but i dont think this item is considered immoral or a degredation thereof. Different stroked for different folks.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al's Chop Shop

funny how this thread shows how many idiot pot heads there are in this group.

if you think ADD is cured by smoking pot, you obviously don't have ADD. i have ADD, and being stoned all day would only make things worse.

Al

nosfanatic2006 · 02-03-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hross14

AL CHOP--I take that personally--I guess i should hand back my CPA and Accounting Degree--How about Being Principle chair Trombonist for the southern Cali Ochestra.....

Maybe somebody with ADD shouldnt be in this conversation. It takes to much mind power for them to comprehend. Truth be known--everything effects everybody in different ways--be it small or large.

Had i smoked pot before--hmmm?? But if i did have a son i would prefer him to do that versus alcohol.

Name calling and or alluding to someones mental status was immature.

FUSTER--I agree with you on alot of things--but i dont think this item is considered immoral or a degredation thereof. Different stroked for different folks.....

I mostly agree with you except for the bold part. That was pretty unecessary in my opinion.

If someone offends you, then you should do what you can to keep from offending them back. It just creates even more problems when you do that

hross14 · 02-03-2009, 08:06 AM

True Fanatic--but eventually i make my point.

Sorry if i offended others with my rebuttal or bad spelling and not using the correct tense in my sentences.

zlathim · 02-03-2009, 08:09 AM

Quote:

For argument's sake, let's say this was not Phelps' first time with his thumb on a bong's carburetor. If the guy can get high during his vacation and then set world records when he's at work, how bad can it really be for him?

I agree with this statement.

BT17R · 02-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:
For argument's sake, let's say this was not Phelps' first time with his thumb on a bong's carburetor. If the guy can get high during his vacation and then set world records when he's at work, how bad can it really be for him?

Pretty bad since he's already had a DUI = endangering the public with a deadly weapon (car). If he wants to party, stay put.

zlathim · 02-03-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BT17R

If he wants to party, stay put.

Can't argue with that.

91TPU · 02-03-2009, 09:25 AM

i guess i have really two standpoints on this issue...

the first being what he did was illegal, and because he is a huge figurehead representing the united states, it tarnishes his stature and is negative for the USA.

the second being, he is 23?, and just devoted years of his life to training to do what he did. i think i might be a little stir crazy afterward as well, and probably make a few poor decisions. now he has tons of money, and is in specific settings where you make poor decisions. trust me i did my partying in college, and there were nights i did things that at the time seemed like a good idea, but when i thought about it the next day it was like uhhh....what was i thinking. thats life tho, you live, you learn, and in his case, you get pulled from wheaties lol...

***fustercluck*** · 02-03-2009, 09:36 AM

I suppose this is the trouble with elevating human beings to role model status. We will ultimately be disappointed and our standards will decay as we excuse poor judgment and behavior. A role model to kids should behave well at all times else we raise generations of miscreants

hross14 · 02-03-2009, 10:02 AM

i dont think his smoking the refer will tarnish his image for other countries.....

I was always raised that a man is based on who he is as a whole and not to look on singular faults. You could have a person who never breaks a law--but be worthless as a person. Who would you rather have on your side?

We all do illegal stuffs--what he did just so happens to be illegal to the masses--but I do believe that will change here in the next decade because it is a huge cash crop and alot of people are indifferent about it. And California needs another source of Tax revenue

....to get out of the ditch they are in.

Absinthe used to be illegal here in the states--until logic prevailed over petty arguments. If something is not extraordinarly worse than another--then whats the problem?

hross14 · 02-03-2009, 10:04 AM

I can agree with that about 80%--very true

Quote:

Originally Posted by fustercluck

I suppose this is the trouble with elevating human beings to role model status. We will ultimately be disappointed and our standards will decay as we excuse poor judgment and behavior. A role model to kids should behave well at all times else we raise generations of miscreants

nosfanatic2006 · 02-03-2009, 10:05 AM

Why is pot illegal? Is it really any worse than alcohol or cigarettes? My buddy was doing some research on this awhile back for a paper he was writing and he said some information he found (and don't quote me, this was a few years ago) stated that back when they were testing marijuana to decide if it was bad or not, that the tobacco companies paid the government to say it was horrible for you and to make it illegal because they would lose money since weed was, and still is, pretty darn plentiful and easy. And that real testings showed, that in moderation, it actually somehow cleansed the body.

I'd personally rather smoke weed than a cigarette. It tastes better, smells better, and the feeling I get is FAR better. I just think it should only be illegal to drive and smoke, just like drinking. They practically do the same thing to you but with drinking you wake up sick.

I can ask my buddy to see if he still has the recourses for his information if anyone wants. . .

So Phelp's smoked? I bet the majority of kids who look up to him will do the exact same in the future, whether Phelp's did it or not. Its called peer pressure. That's why I did it. That's why my friends do it. And I bet that's why Phelp's did it. When it comes down to the actual moment of truth its up to the kid and what he/she wants more; to fit in with the crowd? Or to be the outcast? They won't be thinking in their head, "Oh, the news said that Phelp's never did and never would smoke pot, and that he is against it. And I look up to him, so I'm not going to either". They don't have any sort of personal connection with Phelp's, especially on a daily basis. These "friends" who are pressuring them to smoke, they see every single day, so they are going to have to deal with saying "no" every single day.

Phelp's is just a phase, just like every other celebrity. It will pass and kids/everyone will forget he even did it. He's only getting crap because the papperazi needs something to do, and everyone would rather hear about him doing something illegal than him doing some sort of charity. This whole thing about him is stupid and it'll be gone in a couple weeks and he can light up again, but with better friends.

***fustercluck*** · 02-03-2009, 10:58 AM

For the record, I think Mr Phelps (if he hasn't already..) should only apologize for acting feloniously while being a role model paid by private enterprise to move public behavior. I think if he can successfully separate his behavior from the image and example he has tried to present to kids, then no harm done. Let him smoke dope until he adopts it as an identity as so many seem to do. Just let innocence prevail a little while longer for those too under developed to distinguish moral nuances.

rdharper · 02-03-2009, 11:09 AM

If Phelps could get caught cheating on his taxes, he'd be a perfect candidate for Obama's team.

Sorry, they just announced Daschle is out. Good for Obama.

I heard Obama quoted at a "private" roast... over the weekend:

"The girls want a Labradoodle... I've been looking all over DC... can't find one that hasn't cheated on his taxes."

ozziesironmanoffroad · 02-03-2009, 11:54 AM

who cares... weed aint bad

Toyvana · 02-03-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdharper

If Phelps could get caught cheating on his taxes, he'd be a perfect candidate for Obama's team.

Sorry, they just announced Daschle is out. Good for Obama.

I heard Obama quoted at a "private" roast... over the weekend:

"The girls want a Labradoodle... I've been looking all over DC... can't find one that hasn't cheated on his taxes."

Did you put your turn signal on? Next stop...Drama Llama Lounge.

Some people also prefer their cucumbers pickled.

02-02-2009, 05:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
Al's Chop Shop Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 609	funny how this thread shows how many idiot pot heads there are in this group. if you think ADD is cured by smoking pot, you obviously don't have ADD. i have ADD, and being stoned all day would only make things worse. Al __________________ 81 Toyota pickup 22r, 5spd, 4x4, longbed on 33's... custom suspension in the works. 79 Cherokee Chief Widetrack "Kronk" TBI350, SM465, NP205, Hydraulic clutch, Hydroboost, Custom aluminum radiator, Flowtech headers, SOA D44HD w/ Hi-steer, D60, 36" TSL/SX's, LED tail conversion... 91 Chevy K1500 - The Hauler TBI350, built 700r4, NP241, awaiting 4" lift... 90 XJ - 5.5" lift, 33's, bushwhacker cutouts, sliders, bumpers, winch... 08 Mazda CX9 - Zoom-Zoom!

02-03-2009, 12:00 AM	#28 (permalink)
scuba Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Temecula, Or on the rocks Posts: 6,968	that was probably some nice tree, but on the real, Why is the general public really worried about it, we have so many more legit things in this world to be worried about. __________________ Screw you guys I'm goin to TTORA Mods, please be mature and leave my sig alone, thanks. No, I will not be your friend.

02-03-2009, 05:47 AM	#30 (permalink)
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mrdoug Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 88	Damn, he's like a normal person and had to apologize for it? yeah, yeah, ok, so there are alot of folks who don't smoke pot. What's the current stat for the # of people who have at least tried it or smoked at one point in their lives? Perhaps he should be apologizing for hanging out with 'friends' that took pictures and leaked them. Poor choice in friends, shame on you Michael. is this where we're at? we're apologizing to people we don't even know because we did something that most people do, has no effect on other people (as long as you stay home) and is generally harmless? If anything he's handicapped himself slightly. Pot just can't be called a performance enhancing drug with a straight face (unless you're competing at a pink floyd listening contest). I'm off to start writing my apology letters now. __________________ DD - 02 ext-cab Taco, SAW/AAL lift, Armor a la budbuilt, bentup and badlands, manual hub conversion, 265/75-16 TKO's Project - 85 ext-cab lawn ornament

02-03-2009, 06:59 AM	#35 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,893	Im confused...the picture is all wrong... It looks as if he's already inhaled right? There is no smoke in the bong, so that means its either been sucked in or just started, but, he looks like he's full of air, so I thought he sucked in already. The problem is that you can see the reflection of the lighter still ON... Anyways, it doesn't make much sense to me. You light it suck for a while and turn off the lighter. The only way to "clear" it is to pull up the stem from the bong...and thus the lighter has already gone out... Lastly, who the HELL would take a picture of you and then release it to the public like that? What a douche... Still I think its pretty lame he was smoking. Its funny to think such an athlete can do well even while doing that stuff. __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe.

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BT17R Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Da Gorge, Oregon Posts: 5,674	Quote: For argument's sake, let's say this was not Phelps' first time with his thumb on a bong's carburetor. If the guy can get high during his vacation and then set world records when he's at work, how bad can it really be for him? Pretty bad since he's already had a DUI = endangering the public with a deadly weapon (car). If he wants to party, stay put. __________________ '07 FJ Cruiser TRD SE 6M/T

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*fustercluck* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: right here. Posts: 7,061	I suppose this is the trouble with elevating human beings to role model status. We will ultimately be disappointed and our standards will decay as we excuse poor judgment and behavior. A role model to kids should behave well at all times else we raise generations of miscreants __________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

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hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,170	i dont think his smoking the refer will tarnish his image for other countries..... I was always raised that a man is based on who he is as a whole and not to look on singular faults. You could have a person who never breaks a law--but be worthless as a person. Who would you rather have on your side? We all do illegal stuffs--what he did just so happens to be illegal to the masses--but I do believe that will change here in the next decade because it is a huge cash crop and alot of people are indifferent about it. And California needs another source of Tax revenue ....to get out of the ditch they are in. Absinthe used to be illegal here in the states--until logic prevailed over petty arguments. If something is not extraordinarly worse than another--then whats the problem? __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

02-03-2009, 10:58 AM	#47 (permalink)
*fustercluck* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: right here. Posts: 7,061	For the record, I think Mr Phelps (if he hasn't already..) should only apologize for acting feloniously while being a role model paid by private enterprise to move public behavior. I think if he can successfully separate his behavior from the image and example he has tried to present to kids, then no harm done. Let him smoke dope until he adopts it as an identity as so many seem to do. Just let innocence prevail a little while longer for those too under developed to distinguish moral nuances. __________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

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rdharper Contributing Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 1,048	If Phelps could get caught cheating on his taxes, he'd be a perfect candidate for Obama's team. Sorry, they just announced Daschle is out. Good for Obama. I heard Obama quoted at a "private" roast... over the weekend: "The girls want a Labradoodle... I've been looking all over DC... can't find one that hasn't cheated on his taxes." __________________ Richard "Science by consensus... is not Science." Richard Harper -1988 '94 Toyota 4Runner V6 3L 158K miles 14mpg '85 Toyota 22rec 4WD SR5 LB PU 208K miles 18mpg '08 Honda Ridgeline RT 2.6K miles 16mpg '06 Honda Rincon ATV 410miles/65hrs 22 mpg Last edited by rdharper; 02-03-2009 at 11:51 AM.

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