Marijuana and other..

hostile · 12-08-2008, 07:09 PM

Started this so we can have a place to talk about this without going off topic.

Continue on with the conversation.
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Originally Posted by fustercluck

My eldest son, now 27, lost nearly a decade to drugs. The dope de jour varied, but his odessey began at pot because, "it is harmless and non-addictive". Over the years, the appetite for altered states that he deveoped, became more acute and since he tried and liked Marijane, he'd probably enjoy -fill in the blank-.

Not only was pot a gateway drug, but it introduced and associated him with the sort of folks who were addicted to other drugs and were more than willing to share the addiction. All in all, had he never smoked the "harmless" weed, he never would have done jail time for burglerizing a pharmacy to get enough oxycontin to sell and use. He never would have missed life edifying opportunities. He would have fulfilled his potential for good and productivity. Sadly, he'll likely suffer the ramifying consequences of drug use and addiction for the rest of his young life.

Some say marijuana is harmless. I say it stunts potential and steals opportunity.

But were it not for the car, many people wouldn't have gotten in accidents and killed... Were it not for the pencil, people wouldn't spell so many words wrong. You can't use it as an excuse for your son's bad choices. That's all on himself.

Recent study shows that only a small fraction of people move on to harder drugs after marijuana, and getting even more specific, 98% of people who DO move on to harder drugs after marijuana didn't have a father in their life at a young age... Are you still with your son's mother?

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Trustyrusty · 12-08-2008, 07:26 PM

Out of all the legal drugs there are I've done it all smoke, chew, drink.. You get the picture, out of all those things they can all kill you, Marijuana can't kill you, I don't know ANYONE who has EVER died from smoking weed, my grandparents got lung cancer from smoking and died, and some guy where I live died from alcohol poisoning last week... If you wanna get technical I'd say its the safest "drug" there is. I've never had the urge to try ANYTHING else previous to using it.. For instance when I drink, I like to smoke, anything I can get my hands on, usually cigars, I say alcahol and tobacco is the gateway to everything else...

Trustyrusty · 12-08-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hostile

Are you still with your son's mother?

Not to knock the discussion, but I think thats a bit personal...

**Tofer** · 12-08-2008, 07:33 PM

hostile · 12-08-2008, 07:39 PM

It can be and he has the choice to not answer it if he'd like.

As for my history with marijuana, I started when i was 14 camping on memorial day weekend. Used it a little off and on but never really got heavy into it until the last year when I realized while i was using it, my anxiety disorder didn't exist.. So i got a medical card and smoke at least once a week now.

I feel natural once i've smoked.

drew303 · 12-08-2008, 07:58 PM

Legalize Marijuana and ban Tobacco.

I to agree its NOT a gateway drug. I think it's the "i shouldnt do this at all cuz its wrong and illegal and frowned on" is the gateway. Its like if i can get away with this, Ill get away with something better.

And I too haven't heard of anyone dieing from smoking it.

It makes ya chill =)

SC4Runner · 12-08-2008, 07:59 PM

I started smoking when I was about 12 heavily till about 18 when I started having panic attacks. I am the exact opposite of Hostile.

I now can't do a lot of things (like being in a crowd, stadium, even a traffic jam) without having a panic attack where I need to take xanax (prescribed). I also take 30mg of Lexapro daily due to fainting/panic attacks.

Ya pot is OK for some I guess, but, I really think it has more ramifications than not. Not to mention, the hundreds of people being killed in Mexico with the drug cartels fighting for trafficking routes into the US to feed our drug desires...just scratching the surface.

drew303 · 12-08-2008, 08:05 PM

Where I'm from, the pot comes from BC and locally... not so much from Mexico

and I too am opposite of hostile. I don't do it anymore, never did it much only can remember a couple times, in the woods camping I actually found it fun. I to get panic attacks in crowds, usually only at fairs... last time i went to a fair, few years ago, the puyallup fair here in washington. I about started socking people cuz they wouldnt get the eff outta my way. I didnt wanna go, said i didnt wanna be there when i got there, then said i gotta go and got extremely pissed. Never been that bad before or since... I can't stand being around masses of people... lowlifes especially. I start freaking out lol

pot wouldnt help me.. it'd just make me more nervous. I worry to much when im high.

it's interesting, alcohol effects people quite differently to. Some get accute, funny outgoing, others get retarded and do dumb stuff and some just get angry.

so interesting

hostile · 12-08-2008, 08:06 PM

Usually something like that would be a chemical imbalance. Marijuana just makes it more noticeable.

I don't do it non-stop or anything. I still like to enjoy sober life. It's more of a night time thing with me because once i have it in my system, it'll keep me relaxed for a day or two and i don't suffer from my anxiety in that time.

hostile · 12-08-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by drew303

Where I'm from, the pot comes from BC and locally... not so much from Mexico

and I too am opposite of hostile. I don't do it anymore, never did it much only can remember a couple times, in the woods camping I actually found it fun. I to get panic attacks in crowds, usually only at fairs... last time i went to a fair, few years ago, the puyallup fair here in washington. I about started socking people cuz they wouldnt get the eff outta my way. I didnt wanna go, said i didnt wanna be there when i got there, then said i gotta go and got extremely pissed. Never been that bad before or since... I can't stand being around masses of people... lowlifes especially. I start freaking out lol

pot wouldnt help me.. it'd just make me more nervous. I worry to much when im high.

it's interesting, alcohol effects people quite differently to. Some get accute, funny outgoing, others get retarded and do dumb stuff and some just get angry.

so interesting

lol, No one likes being in a large crowd.. Whether you're smoking or not, huge crowds that don't move out of the way are frustrating. But if it was legal, what would you have to worry about? People get paranoid because they're scared of getting caught. Eliminate that risk and you won't be paranoid.

sa51 · 12-08-2008, 08:13 PM

hmm pot actually helps my anxietyin a way and i am more social and calm. but its just not something i enjoy doing and i refuse to pay for it when i could be spending money on something much more productive[like my truck]so i dont smoke it . i used to drink every day after work but it would make my mood swings worse and ended up losing my gf because of it. alcohol actually made me more paranoid and prone to anger easily. i've been sober since september. and i do miss drinking but my mood swings arent nearly as bad.

it all depends on the person, some people get stupid and unruly on pot, some people just act "normal".

very interesting

hostile · 12-08-2008, 08:25 PM

Yeah, everyone is different and i've heard of people feeling no effect from marijuana at all.

I'd agree and say i'm much more social while high. I'm the lead sales rep at work and sell a lot more when i'm high than when i'm sober.. it makes me more patient and i'm willing to take more time to explain things to the customers and give them more satisfying answers.

VSU_4runnin · 12-08-2008, 08:29 PM

eeh i see both sides... i smoked.. and ive seeen many of my friends move on to just crazy ... but then i have never even thought hmmm i wonder what ________ would be like... so my 2 cents is it really depends on the person, and im no dooctor, but i would assume that alot of those people that move on to harder drugs have some sort of disposition to do so, like alcoholics it runs in familys.... but then again ive done it so much i have needed bigger and bigger hits go get the same effect.. yaay tolerence (and sorry for sp mistakes im severly dyslecix not high haha)

87LVRunner · 12-08-2008, 08:39 PM

It's been years since I smoked pot. I have absolutely nothing against it. I have friends that treat it as a part of their life. Very successful people at that! Will I again? I never say no, but I know that I don't need it. It is fun, but I found that really all I do is eat like a pig, laugh like crazy, then fall asleep. If it's a gateway drug for some, I would think booze would be too then. I've seen some chitty drunks, but never a mean pothead. It should be legal, but the government would loose too much money.

hostile · 12-08-2008, 08:40 PM

lol, well tolerance only gets noticeably high if you smoke a LOT for a long period of time.. If you feel your tolerance is getting to high then don't smoke for a month and then that first hit after a t-break (as they're called in the marijuana world), it'll feel like your first time all over again.

VSU_4runnin · 12-08-2008, 08:44 PM

GOODY! haha

scuba · 12-08-2008, 08:45 PM

I guess I'll chime in..

Started smoking heavily at 15, Since I was a way youngin my mom, a Physician btw, has always said I was borderline ADHD.
After about 6 months I would get mood swings when something would get in the way of smoking..I knew lots of people, just didnt have any REAL FRIENDS. Other then the ones that I actually smoked with everyday, of course.
I did lots of stupid things, Ridin dirty..Networking..wanna be dealer BS.
Although I never tried anything harder other then RX crap lying around the house...
I also did alot of Fd up things to people that didnt deserve it, And I have been told numerous times by people that are close to me (sister, old GF's) that im actually a really great person..
at 17 1/2, I decided I didnt like myself when I was smoking, The after affect lasted 2 days even 3, But I never noticed that cause I was smoking every day.
So I tried quitting, Wasnt hard, I just had to ditch all my friends and figure out what to do with my life, Ironically thats when I got my truck..

I met a girl, while the quitting was on and off, Finally one day I snapped thinking the FBI was after me, Went to rehab for drug induced phycosis/chemical dependency...
after I got out after a week One of my old friends was there for me, wouldnt let me touch the stuff, I wasnt allowed to do much, and My GF hated the crap.
Ive sinced moved away from the small suburbian town and here in cali I havent met many people due to not wanting bad influences, I wheel any
chance I get and wrench on the truck whenever..
Technically ive been clean for 4 months

Going to Comm. college, getting things back in order

I just realized its not the best thing right now, as I want to get a good education and have a good life for myself, I dont think pot can play a role in my life if I want to accomplish things..

All in all, If you can control yourself and how you use it, by all means have a great time...

Sorry for the rant, Just putting in my 2 cents.

burnscore1 · 12-08-2008, 09:48 PM

Honestly, it depends on you as to whether you are going to move to hard stuff or not. It depends on who you surround yourself with.
Personally, I've done it all except for tap a veign.
Was it pot that moved to it?
No.
It was me. It was me who decided to do what was in front of me.
Pot is addictive however. I'm not, nor have I ever been addicted to it.
But I do have friends that have done it forever and when they try to quit, even for a week, they go through some serious withdrawl effects.
However, drink everyday and try to quit and you'll go through the same things.
Any smokers tried to quit cold turkey? Ever been around someone who's quitting?
Tell me there is no withdrawl effects there!!
I don't advocate the using of any illegal drugs.....
But it all comes down to the actions of one person as to what is right for you, and that person is you. You control your destiny.
Don't Blame it on the drugs.

nc994run · 12-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 87LVRunner

It should be legal, but the government would loose too much money.

Big tobacco corps probably already have patents for marijuana cigarettes. The government can do as they currently do to tobacco and put a high "sin tax" on it. Due to it being legal for the first time in a while, I'm sure they would sell like crazy and the government would get a lot of income from it. Plus there would be less spending for Drug Agencies and jails, since they could focus on criminals caught with harder drugs. I feel that legalization should be part of the economic package, but I'm sure there are tons of other factors that play a role.

shaw_j · 12-08-2008, 10:55 PM

Growing up here in BC I have seen a LOT of pot, hell I even had a neighbor grow a six foot plant in the ditch (I live in the boones) growing across the road from my house.

Here it is just not a big deal. Most cops here will just take the pot and destroy it. No criminal charges or anything like that.

With that being said, I started when I was thirteen, then didn't smoke for nearly an entire year, and on and off throughout high-school and I hit my peak last summer.

Did I personally find it addicting? No. Do I know people that are addicted to it? You bet.

I haven't smoked pot since December 30th 2007 and have no current desire. I did try mushrooms over the Canadian thanksgiving holiday, but I do not feel that pot was a gateway for me to try it. That was entirely my own choice.

Sure I have friends that have gone downhill since they started smoking pot, but if you look at their family situations there are no negative connotations to their addiction, almost as thought it is encouraged. Many of the kids I grew up with smoked with their parents around the age of 15.

scuba · 12-08-2008, 11:18 PM

Well, Speaking of legalization...
I know Obama will share his stash...

shaw_j · 12-08-2008, 11:28 PM

Haha, well not legal here, but close!

I think Bush was the main reason it didn't pass in the last eight years.

Edit: In Canada anyways

85TurboRunner · 12-08-2008, 11:54 PM

The only reason pot is labeled the gateway drug is because it is so easy to get and not that expensive. If coke was 10 bucks a gram it would be the new gateway drug. its all about ease of access.

As far as being addictive yeah sure it is to some people. I have a few friends who basically need to smoke it everyday, at least they THINK they do. If they were to quit I'm almost positive they'd see they don't need it.

Its kind of a crutch just like most things, it helps people deal with reality. I drink and I know I have a problem but I don't let it control my life and I don't blame it for my problems.

Basically I think marijuana is no worse then any legal drug sold today, probably better in fact since it has soothing and relaxing qualities.You don't ever hear about two stoners firing shots into a crowd of people or stealing money for pot, theyre too damn lazy and just want a burrito. The only reason it is illegal in my opinion is because it is very easy to manufacture yourself which means no taxing by the gov't and it would remove a large amount of funding for the war on drugs.

As for the original post about the whole son gone wrong. That is horrible and I've seen people go down that path but it takes alot more than some grass to turn someone to a life of crime, weed is just a scapegoat.

hostile · 12-09-2008, 10:36 AM

Yeah, it's always sad when you hear about someone going over the deep end. I only hope this thread has helped him see things differently.

As for the addiction thing. All the studies show that there are no addiction causing agents in marijuana so it's all an emotional addiction. The same way people would get addicted to porn or addicted to video games. You spend so much time in your life doing 1 thing and you can't imagine living your life without it. I've seen the symptoms range from sleeplessness, sweating, to eating disorders but they only last a week, week and a half max and usually only a few days. That's not even comparable to things like alcohol, cigs, or harder drugs. It just has to be done responsibly just like everything else in this world.

Tacoclimber · 12-09-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hostile

Yeah, it's always sad when you hear about someone going over the deep end. I only hope this thread has helped him see things differently.

As for the addiction thing. All the studies show that there are no addiction causing agents in marijuana so it's all an emotional addiction. The same way people would get addicted to porn or addicted to video games. You spend so much time in your life doing 1 thing and you can't imagine living your life without it. I've seen the symptoms range from sleeplessness, sweating, to eating disorders but they only last a week, week and a half max and usually only a few days. That's not even comparable to things like alcohol, cigs, or harder drugs. It just has to be done responsibly just like everything else in this world.

Just to add another interesting spin on the discussion...did you know that your brain becomes "addicted" to the chemicals produced when engaging in the above examples, as well as countless more?

Just because marijuana isn't physically addictive doesn't mean that it's effect on the human brain isn't a problem.

There are a plethora of things that can put a person into a state of bondage. The question is, is worth finding out what will and what won't?

12-08-2008, 07:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
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drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,032	Legalize Marijuana and ban Tobacco. I to agree its NOT a gateway drug. I think it's the "i shouldnt do this at all cuz its wrong and illegal and frowned on" is the gateway. Its like if i can get away with this, Ill get away with something better. And I too haven't heard of anyone dieing from smoking it. It makes ya chill =) __________________ 1987 Pickup, single cab, 22R, new head, 260 cam TG 3" SAS, rear disc brakes, chromoly rear axles, Chromoly Birfs, Tcase brake, 37x12.50R15 MT/Rs, 5.29 gears, rear Aussie Locker, front Detroit Truetrac.

12-08-2008, 07:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,885	I started smoking when I was about 12 heavily till about 18 when I started having panic attacks. I am the exact opposite of Hostile. I now can't do a lot of things (like being in a crowd, stadium, even a traffic jam) without having a panic attack where I need to take xanax (prescribed). I also take 30mg of Lexapro daily due to fainting/panic attacks. Ya pot is OK for some I guess, but, I really think it has more ramifications than not. Not to mention, the hundreds of people being killed in Mexico with the drug cartels fighting for trafficking routes into the US to feed our drug desires...just scratching the surface. __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe.

12-08-2008, 08:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,032	Where I'm from, the pot comes from BC and locally... not so much from Mexico and I too am opposite of hostile. I don't do it anymore, never did it much only can remember a couple times, in the woods camping I actually found it fun. I to get panic attacks in crowds, usually only at fairs... last time i went to a fair, few years ago, the puyallup fair here in washington. I about started socking people cuz they wouldnt get the eff outta my way. I didnt wanna go, said i didnt wanna be there when i got there, then said i gotta go and got extremely pissed. Never been that bad before or since... I can't stand being around masses of people... lowlifes especially. I start freaking out lol pot wouldnt help me.. it'd just make me more nervous. I worry to much when im high. it's interesting, alcohol effects people quite differently to. Some get accute, funny outgoing, others get retarded and do dumb stuff and some just get angry. so interesting __________________ 1987 Pickup, single cab, 22R, new head, 260 cam TG 3" SAS, rear disc brakes, chromoly rear axles, Chromoly Birfs, Tcase brake, 37x12.50R15 MT/Rs, 5.29 gears, rear Aussie Locker, front Detroit Truetrac.

12-08-2008, 07:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
hostile Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 397	It can be and he has the choice to not answer it if he'd like. As for my history with marijuana, I started when i was 14 camping on memorial day weekend. Used it a little off and on but never really got heavy into it until the last year when I realized while i was using it, my anxiety disorder didn't exist.. So i got a medical card and smoke at least once a week now. I feel natural once i've smoked.

12-08-2008, 08:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
hostile Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 397	Usually something like that would be a chemical imbalance. Marijuana just makes it more noticeable. I don't do it non-stop or anything. I still like to enjoy sober life. It's more of a night time thing with me because once i have it in my system, it'll keep me relaxed for a day or two and i don't suffer from my anxiety in that time.

12-08-2008, 08:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
hostile Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 397	Yeah, everyone is different and i've heard of people feeling no effect from marijuana at all. I'd agree and say i'm much more social while high. I'm the lead sales rep at work and sell a lot more when i'm high than when i'm sober.. it makes me more patient and i'm willing to take more time to explain things to the customers and give them more satisfying answers.

12-08-2008, 08:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
VSU_4runnin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Georgia Posts: 657	eeh i see both sides... i smoked.. and ive seeen many of my friends move on to just crazy ... but then i have never even thought hmmm i wonder what ________ would be like... so my 2 cents is it really depends on the person, and im no dooctor, but i would assume that alot of those people that move on to harder drugs have some sort of disposition to do so, like alcoholics it runs in familys.... but then again ive done it so much i have needed bigger and bigger hits go get the same effect.. yaay tolerence (and sorry for sp mistakes im severly dyslecix not high haha) __________________ 1998 Toyota 4Runner: 33" BFG A/T T/A: KO 2.5" Lift CB Radio Brush Guard Yakima roof rack manikin head (Viola), and more to come! Clicky For Picky Buildup GATTORA KJ4HVQ Skywarn Ga 208 ΦΣK DAMN PROUD!

12-08-2008, 08:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
87LVRunner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 279	It's been years since I smoked pot. I have absolutely nothing against it. I have friends that treat it as a part of their life. Very successful people at that! Will I again? I never say no, but I know that I don't need it. It is fun, but I found that really all I do is eat like a pig, laugh like crazy, then fall asleep. If it's a gateway drug for some, I would think booze would be too then. I've seen some chitty drunks, but never a mean pothead. It should be legal, but the government would loose too much money. __________________ 87 4Runner 4 Banger ProComp Stage II 4:88 w/ LS

12-08-2008, 08:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
hostile Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 397	lol, well tolerance only gets noticeably high if you smoke a LOT for a long period of time.. If you feel your tolerance is getting to high then don't smoke for a month and then that first hit after a t-break (as they're called in the marijuana world), it'll feel like your first time all over again.

12-08-2008, 08:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
VSU_4runnin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Georgia Posts: 657	GOODY! haha __________________ 1998 Toyota 4Runner: 33" BFG A/T T/A: KO 2.5" Lift CB Radio Brush Guard Yakima roof rack manikin head (Viola), and more to come! Clicky For Picky Buildup GATTORA KJ4HVQ Skywarn Ga 208 ΦΣK DAMN PROUD!

12-08-2008, 08:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
scuba Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WHEELIN BIG BEAR Posts: 6,968	I guess I'll chime in.. Started smoking heavily at 15, Since I was a way youngin my mom, a Physician btw, has always said I was borderline ADHD. After about 6 months I would get mood swings when something would get in the way of smoking..I knew lots of people, just didnt have any REAL FRIENDS. Other then the ones that I actually smoked with everyday, of course. I did lots of stupid things, Ridin dirty..Networking..wanna be dealer BS. Although I never tried anything harder other then RX crap lying around the house... I also did alot of Fd up things to people that didnt deserve it, And I have been told numerous times by people that are close to me (sister, old GF's) that im actually a really great person.. at 17 1/2, I decided I didnt like myself when I was smoking, The after affect lasted 2 days even 3, But I never noticed that cause I was smoking every day. So I tried quitting, Wasnt hard, I just had to ditch all my friends and figure out what to do with my life, Ironically thats when I got my truck.. I met a girl, while the quitting was on and off, Finally one day I snapped thinking the FBI was after me, Went to rehab for drug induced phycosis/chemical dependency... after I got out after a week One of my old friends was there for me, wouldnt let me touch the stuff, I wasnt allowed to do much, and My GF hated the crap. Ive sinced moved away from the small suburbian town and here in cali I havent met many people due to not wanting bad influences, I wheel any chance I get and wrench on the truck whenever.. Technically ive been clean for 4 months Going to Comm. college, getting things back in order I just realized its not the best thing right now, as I want to get a good education and have a good life for myself, I dont think pot can play a role in my life if I want to accomplish things.. All in all, If you can control yourself and how you use it, by all means have a great time... Sorry for the rant, Just putting in my 2 cents. __________________ Screw you guys I'm goin to TTORA Mods, please be mature and leave my sig alone, thanks. No, I will not be your friend.

12-08-2008, 10:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
shaw_j Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Nelson, BC, Canada Posts: 299	Growing up here in BC I have seen a LOT of pot, hell I even had a neighbor grow a six foot plant in the ditch (I live in the boones) growing across the road from my house. Here it is just not a big deal. Most cops here will just take the pot and destroy it. No criminal charges or anything like that. With that being said, I started when I was thirteen, then didn't smoke for nearly an entire year, and on and off throughout high-school and I hit my peak last summer. Did I personally find it addicting? No. Do I know people that are addicted to it? You bet. I haven't smoked pot since December 30th 2007 and have no current desire. I did try mushrooms over the Canadian thanksgiving holiday, but I do not feel that pot was a gateway for me to try it. That was entirely my own choice. Sure I have friends that have gone downhill since they started smoking pot, but if you look at their family situations there are no negative connotations to their addiction, almost as thought it is encouraged. Many of the kids I grew up with smoked with their parents around the age of 15. __________________ ________________________________ \| \|---------\|-------------\|---------\| \| \| \|----------\|--TOYOTA---\|----------\| \| \| \|-----------\|-------------\|----V6----\| \| _____________________________________________ \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\| \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / TOYOTA / \ \|\| \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\| \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|

12-08-2008, 11:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
scuba Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WHEELIN BIG BEAR Posts: 6,968	Well, Speaking of legalization... I know Obama will share his stash... __________________ Screw you guys I'm goin to TTORA Mods, please be mature and leave my sig alone, thanks. No, I will not be your friend.

12-08-2008, 11:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
shaw_j Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Nelson, BC, Canada Posts: 299	Haha, well not legal here, but close! I think Bush was the main reason it didn't pass in the last eight years. Edit: In Canada anyways __________________ ________________________________ \| \|---------\|-------------\|---------\| \| \| \|----------\|--TOYOTA---\|----------\| \| \| \|-----------\|-------------\|----V6----\| \| _____________________________________________ \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\| \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / TOYOTA / \ \|\| \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\| \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|\ / \ / \|\|/ \ / \ \|\|

12-08-2008, 11:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
85TurboRunner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 1,063	The only reason pot is labeled the gateway drug is because it is so easy to get and not that expensive. If coke was 10 bucks a gram it would be the new gateway drug. its all about ease of access. As far as being addictive yeah sure it is to some people. I have a few friends who basically need to smoke it everyday, at least they THINK they do. If they were to quit I'm almost positive they'd see they don't need it. Its kind of a crutch just like most things, it helps people deal with reality. I drink and I know I have a problem but I don't let it control my life and I don't blame it for my problems. Basically I think marijuana is no worse then any legal drug sold today, probably better in fact since it has soothing and relaxing qualities.You don't ever hear about two stoners firing shots into a crowd of people or stealing money for pot, theyre too damn lazy and just want a burrito. The only reason it is illegal in my opinion is because it is very easy to manufacture yourself which means no taxing by the gov't and it would remove a large amount of funding for the war on drugs. As for the original post about the whole son gone wrong. That is horrible and I've seen people go down that path but it takes alot more than some grass to turn someone to a life of crime, weed is just a scapegoat. __________________ 1985 4runner 22re 5spd.

12-09-2008, 10:36 AM	#24 (permalink)
hostile Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 397	Yeah, it's always sad when you hear about someone going over the deep end. I only hope this thread has helped him see things differently. As for the addiction thing. All the studies show that there are no addiction causing agents in marijuana so it's all an emotional addiction. The same way people would get addicted to porn or addicted to video games. You spend so much time in your life doing 1 thing and you can't imagine living your life without it. I've seen the symptoms range from sleeplessness, sweating, to eating disorders but they only last a week, week and a half max and usually only a few days. That's not even comparable to things like alcohol, cigs, or harder drugs. It just has to be done responsibly just like everything else in this world.

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