corax

I just copied this from another thread I made somewhere else, thought I'd post it here for anyone who's looking Originally my rig had a 22-RE, so the information I’m giving is geared to a 22RE-7MGE swap, the 3.0 V6 is a bit different. Also, I swapped in a naturally aspirated engine, the turbo can also be bolted in but uses a different harness, AFM and ECU, plus there is intercooler plumbing to find room for. The biggest difficulty in this swap is finding room in front of the engine since it is an inline 6, but some creative trimming goes a long way. The 7MGE is built typical Toyota rock solid, but many have had problems with headgasket leakage - the problem with the headgasket was insufficient factory torque (52 ft/lbs) and is remedied by increasing the torque to 72 ft/lbs. A completely bullet-proof fix would include an MLS (multi-layer steel) headgasket and ARP head bolts or studs. Since everyone is considering fuel economy these days, I'll also say that my 22RE before the swap got 20mpg and I recently got 19.5 mpg highway cruising 80mph with the 7MGE (15mpg on the trails in Big Bear). I spent ~ 3 months researching this swap during down time at work and several more months searching for parts in Junkyards. This swap could also be done by buying a running Supra. The engine I got from a JDM importer for $375 off ebay (2006 price - I picked it up in person to avoid shipping). Total cost for the entire project was less than $1k (can’t beat junkyard prices). The entire swap took me about 2 -3 days once I had all the parts together, however I’ve since tweaked and changed a few things here and there after driving it awhile. The biggest obstacle is fitting a large enough radiator that will still allow for an electric fan, a lesser problem is exhaust routing since it needs to cross over form the passenger side to join the rest of the exhaust on the driver side. The majority of my research came from SupraCharged.com and the write-up that I liked best came from Andrew Hulse’s 1st gen 4runner swap. 1G 4runner swap pg 1 1G 4runner swap pg 2 1G 4runner swap pg 3 Here’s the thread 4RnrRick had when he swapped in a 7M 4RnrRick’s swap thread, though he concluded he would have been happier with a 3.4 swap. Here are the HP numbers from his thread Toyota Motors 20R, 2.2L, 90 HP@4800, 122 Ft-Lbs@2400 22R, 2.4L, 96 HP@4800, 129 Ft-Lbs@2800 22RE, 2.4L, 112 HP@4600, 142 Ft-Lbs@3400 22RTE, 2.4L, 135 HP@4800, 173 Ft-Lbs@2800, 6psi 20R/22R Hybrid, Estimated 135-155 HP depending on build 2RZFE, 2.4L, 142 HP@5000, 160 Ft-Lbs@4000 3RZFE, 2.7L, 150 HP@4800, 177 Ft-Lbs@4000 3VZ-E, 3.0L, 150 HP@4800, 180 Ft-Lbs@3400 5VZ-FE,3.4L, 190 HP@4800, 220 Ft-Lbs@3600 5M-GE, 2.7L, 143 HP@5200, 154 Ft-Lbs@4400 7M-GE, 3.0L, 199 HP@6000, 188 Ft-Lbs@3600 7M-GTE,3.0L, 232 HP@5600, 254 Ft-Lbs@3200, 5psi The write-ups above go through the actual install fairly well, so I’ll try to avoid repeating too much. What you’ll need to get the 7MGE bolted in: - Supra bellhousing, clutch fork & throwout bearing retaining spring, clutch slave cylinder & hose - Supra’s used a “W” series transmission which uses the same bellhousing-trans bolt pattern as the “W” series truck trans – you will use your stock “W” series trans and transfer case – use a pre ’89 bellhousing, after this Toyota changed the clutch and pressure plate design, pre ’89 is the standard “fork and throwout” style - 5MGE motor mount brackets – bolt on one position further back on the 7MGE block and allow you to use the stock 22RE rubber engine mounts - 7MGE Cressida oil pan and oil pump – the Cressida used a front sump oil pan (vs Supra mid sump which interfered with the IFS front diff) which clears the front tie rod perfectly though you do need to remove the steering damper - also the Supra used a mid sump oil pan, so the dipstick needs to be relocated is using a Supra block, there is already a boss to drill through and it's no big deal using a hand held drill, just make sure you use a drill bit the same size as the dipstick tube, brace the tube to a nearby bolt and seal it up with black RTV - wire harness – I junkyarded mine for $30 and made sure to be careful pulling it out – don’t break connectors pulling them off, don’t pull on wires and when you get to the big connectors that connect the engine harness to the rest of the vehicle (behind dash) leave yourself ~1’ of wire and take both sides of the connector (male and female side – it makes wiring everything together easier) - ECU – I was able to mount everything in the stock location down in the passenger side kick panel using the 22RE ECU brackets - it's a tight fit, but works nice if you keep wire length to manageable lengths and tuck them up and behind the ECU - Vane Airflow Meter to match your engine (smog will want everything to be the same year or newer as your vehicle, but they really have no visual way of checking) - igniter and ignition coil - I moved the ignition coil to the passenger side so I could use a shorter coil wire - Injector Resistor (leave this connected to the harness when you get it at the junkyard) - use the factory throttle cable and fab a simple cable holder –or- use the factory Supra cables, setup and linkages - factory 22RE fuel pump works fine, no upgrade needed, fuel filter will be factory mounted to the 7MGE block on driver side – need to bend fuel lines to run gas from the passenger side to driver side - the 7M mechanical fan can not be used, so an electric fan is in order. I looked for a thin electric fan and found that you can get one with decent CFM under 3" thick. I wired an electric thermo switch and an extra sensor to warn of possible overheating (220* puts the gauge about 3/4 of the way to the red) - the threads are 3/8" NPT - the 3 hole t-stat housing was sourced from a 7MGTE (turbo) and had the 220* sensor already in it - I was able to reuse the 22RE P/S pump by moving the reservoir down on the inner fender a bit and having the 7M pulley center bore machined to .710" and hand filing a keyway (7M uses a ribbed belt) - further the 7M A/C bracket needs to be cut up a bit and a simple bracket fabbed up to adapt the pump to the A/C bracket, I also made a nother bracket to brace the pump in an attempt to reduce vibration and bracket flex under belt tension - for the exhaust I bought 2 tight radius u-bent pieces from Jegs and cut off bits of angle as I needed them to route the exhaust under the Cressida oil pan (with heat shields on top of the pipe to keep heat away from the oil pan) – also try to keep the catalytic converter as close to the engine as possible so it can get hot enough to pass emissions – another option would be to run the exhaust down the passenger side and cross it over under the t-case, there is just enough room to fish the pipe through a hole between the t-case / crossmember / frame rail, this setup would also allow you to mount the cat converter just after the exhaust manifold (while this routing would be easier, I didn’t like it for a couple reasons) - firewall will need to be clearanced slightly for the EGR valve on the driver side and for the 90* coolant hose on the passenger side (hose barely touches metal if not clearanced) - relocated battery from passenger to driver side, I used the factory alternator wire to get power from the new battery location to the original fuse box (I later ran an additional 10 ga wire and added a 120 amp manual reset circuit breaker for accident safety) - the actual wiring of everything is in this link - 7M Wiring - if you are comfortable with a soldering iron and 12V electrical, there’s nothing to it.

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'88 4runner SR5 - 3.0 7MGE eng swap - Marlin HD W56 - 4.56 V6 Thirds - '82 Toyota Celica Supra LSD up front - 33x10.5 BFG KM2's - NWMP Aux Gas Tank - home fab front and rear bumpers - Hannemann fenders - OME Dakar rear springs w/ Bilstein 5150 reservoir shocks Garage Thread

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corax

*edit* added content in first post that I forgot to copy over

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idayota

nice write up! how happy are you with the swap? would you go with 4nrrick's assessment of going with the 3.4 instead? i like the idea of the older straight six's...cheap and fairly common. would you ever consider a 7mgte?

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corax

the only problem I had was with desert temps and cooling capacity . . . but that may have just been my choice of radiator (should have probably gone with at least a 2 core instead of large 1 core). I like the 7MGE, it's enough for my needs - it'll pull a 3,500 lb trailer with no problem and still get 20mpg with less expense than te 3.4L swap. I think I spent less than $1000 on the whole job withsome careful junkyarding.

By nature, inline 6's have good torque characteristics (just about every tractor trailer on the road uses an inline 6) - this is attributed to the firing order or "spacing" between firing events.

The 7MGTE would be nice, but I decided not to go with it to keep the reliability of the W56 trans I already had (though it is a Marlin HD rebuild). The Supra uses a W series trans also, but it isn't pulling as much weight or aerodynamic drag as the 4runner . . . .

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"Speed doesn't kill, suddenly becoming stationary does." - Richard Hammond

7m4x4dude

i'll be doing this swap soon with my 87 pu, i have played with supra's for awhile, mostly turbo, i like the idea of a 7m truck.

hopefully my planes will play out and i can supercharge my n/a.

corax

do your research, collect your parts before you start, double check everything before you tear into it and you should be fine - this took me about (2) 8hour days to get running and on the road, a bit longer to make it look nice and sort out any issues (there's always something with a swap)

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7m4x4dude

thanks corax, definitly am searching every thing i can think of here and google..

i haven't learned if i could use a newer electric pump hanger in an older tank, say 89 hanger into 87 tank.. or maybe a 87 hanger for intank pump?

annoyingrob

Good job on the swap.

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want2wheel

That makes it sound so easy. I just got my 7mge torn down and am looking at what I need to do next. I got a 89 Cressida and am putting it into my 93 extended cab.

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ronnie4

Thanks a lot for the writeup, im about to start mine within the next month and the info shoud help out a lot. Where did you pick up you brakes lines from?

Did you put the engine and transmission in the truck as together or seperate? It doesn't look easy either way, that's the part I am least looking forward to.

corax

The brake lines, which I used to get fuel to the driver side, can be bought at just about any car parts store. Just ask for 5/16 diameter in whatever length you want - here's a tip, buy a foot longer than you think you might need

I put a floor jack under the front of the transmission, pulled just the 22RE out, took the bolts out of the trans mount and slid it back a bit (you won't be able to move it that much because the bellhousing will hit the firewall), to get the 7MGE in the engine bay you might want to take off the crank pulley - although I left it on and ended up bending the radiator support the 1/4" that I needed and then just bent it back.

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ronnie4

I didn't think of taking the crank pulley off, that's a good idea. Were you able to get to the top transmission bolts with the 7M in, from the pictures it doesn't look easy at all. Do you have a body lift?

corax

You should be able to get to all the trans-eng bolts from underneath with an extension and a u-joint on the socket.

I put a 1" body lift on after the engine was in, but I only needed that to make the upper radiator hose clear the alternator pulley because of the radiator I chose.

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ronnie4

The wiring info on supracharged says it applies to 89-95 22re's. From what I can conclude form the wiring diagrams in my Hayne's manual the wiring colors look the same for my pre 89 (my truck is a 87). Did that hold true for you?

Did you splice the wire for the fuel pump? Supracharged says its for turbo only, but I know the turbo and non-turbo supras use the same pump.

Here is what they say:

Fuel pump - turbo only
The fuel pump is a green wire on the B1(6) connector. You need to connect this to the green/yellow on the IH1(23) connector. Again, this will supply a ground signal to your Circuit Opening Relay.

7m4x4dude

thye turbo model uses the same pump but has a 6v/12v relay that the ecu controls and if removed run's 12v "which is perfectly fine". and the green wire to the cor is to cut the fuel pump if the motor shut's off, the n/a modles use the flapper door to cut the fuel pump, if the door shut's it cut's pump's ground. iirc.



also i was able to install my motor with out removing the pully, or moving the transmission back.

i installed the motor and had it at about a 20-30* angle, and twisted the front of the motor towards the washer fluide bottle on the passenger side.

it cleared fine, i even have to pull it back out cause i forgot to clearence the fire wall and install the egr. it fit but i could tell i had the coolant hose pressed against the fire wall.

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corax

a question I got that I figured I'd post the answer to since I've been asked the same thing before

removing the steering damper really makes no difference, though if you really want you can always fab up a simple bracket later on to mount a damper on the bottom side of the steering linkage.

I passed the visual inspection with no problems (actually, the first time they failed me for not having an EGR), second time failed the tailpipe test (found an injector seal torn causing a vacuum leak) - when I was supposed to go back for a retest the stations were all shut down due to the budget crisis. Then I moved back east, so no final smog results (actually pisses me off because I wanted the sticker)

Just do your research and make a list of parts you'll need. The swap itself can be easy if you have everythig you need, though if you can do it, I would wait till the engine is in to worry about the radiator and fan. It is a tight fit, though I've heard a toyota V6 radiator will fit nicely

The engine I used was a JDM, they won't be able to tell the difference (or care) so long as you put all the "american parts" on it.

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ronnie4

FWIW, I couldn't get the stock 4 cyl radiator to fit in the stock location without interference with the crank pulley.

corax

I kinda thought that was the case, I know how tight everything is in my engine bay & I have the front all kinds of trimmed out to move parts forward. I swear I read on Supracharged though where someone used a Toy P/U V6 radiator, might have been 4RnrRick's write-up (just looked at his thread and all the photos are gone). Meh, it's better to go aluminum anyway.

BTW, I'm looking to upgrade to this beauty


AFCO double pass radiator, $235 from Speedway

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'88 4runner SR5 - 3.0 7MGE eng swap - Marlin HD W56 - 4.56 V6 Thirds - '82 Toyota Celica Supra LSD up front - 33x10.5 BFG KM2's - NWMP Aux Gas Tank - home fab front and rear bumpers - Hannemann fenders - OME Dakar rear springs w/ Bilstein 5150 reservoir shocks Garage Thread

"Speed doesn't kill, suddenly becoming stationary does." - Richard Hammond

lilblasterboy12

so i ve been looking and i cant find a wiring diagram for the swap. i have a 86 and its not on supracharged and cant find it on here. can u send me the one u used

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corax

This is the info I used for my '88 -> Wiring your 7M Supra engine <- the majority or it should be accurate for your '86 since Toyota didn't really change the wire colors (not that I found anyway)

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motorhead

I started with a running supra, so getting the harness was not difficult...I have a re-cored 22re rad (told them I needed to cool a 350 so they put in a triple core) that is now sitting in front of the rad support and just behind the grill. Took the upper two mounts for the bumper off, removed the rad support (to be fabbed in later) and gutted the front of the hood to make room for the top of the rad. Will use hood pins later. As far as wiring, I think I have everything mapped out afaik except for the "small black/orange" wire in B1...it seems that is referenced in the instructions later on and used to run the efi relay in an optional configuration; I don't see the need to overcomplicate the wiring so I don't wish to go that way. I assume then that the wire should simply go to an key-on source? Will be trying a v6 PS hose to see if it is close enough to fit the 7m pump in the stock location, then use the trans cooler in the rad to bring the return from the box to the reservoir which I'll relocate to the other side of the engine compartment.

Thanks

corax

Both Black/Orange wires need to go to a switched ignition source. All I did was strip a small amount of insulation off the large B/O wire and wrap/solder the thin B/O wire around that then take the large B/O wire to switched ignition

One other thing I did with the wiring was snip off extra truck connectors at a junkyard so I could make the entire harness plug-n-play without cutting into the factory body harness

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motorhead

Thanks...I copied the info to a side document but must have had cranial-anal immersion and didn't grab the part about what to do with the small black/orange wire if one did not want to do all the extra wiring with the efi relay.

I skimmed through your build a few times, but can't find how you dealt with the tach. If I can't score a v6 sr5 cluster, I will attempt the resistor on the stock cluster, as I already have a factory tach and would rather not have a dead gauge in the cluster and a pod one as well. If I have to go with the resistor, I will try to ghetto the supra cluster up so I can read that one while mucking with the truck one.

Thanks again

corax

Here's a write-up on how to adjust it with a bit of solder and a resistor
http://www.mindspring.com/~jayk3/toyota/tachmod.htm

Here's what I did (I think my cluster came froma 4cyl also, so yours should be similar), there's a dashpot on the tach you can play with. What I did was hook my DVOM (has a tach function) to the coil and taped it to the windshield so I could read it. I then drove around for awhile with the cluster still apart/open and adjusted it till the rpm on my DVOM was the same as the tach at all RPM - simple adjustment really.
http://yotatech.com/f116/tachometer-...-screw-177658/

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wyoming9

Wow i just happened to notice your from Eastern Pa.

Just where i am looking to go with the 7MGTE only because I have a Celica with that motor in. i am looking for a pick up with more power for towing.

Would love to see this in person

I also plan on putting a 5mge in a 4runner

a very good thread thanks for all the good information.