3.4 swap started - Page 9

mt_goat · 09-29-2006, 06:45 PM

The battery is in and the key has been turned:

It's alive! Starts right up and seems to idle just fine. Sounds great! I stopped it to check fluid levels and I smell gas. I'm thinking it must be running pretty rich, until I see a huge wet spot under the engine. Fuel leak, bad one too. I look up from under the truck and find the high pressure fuel line is dripping wet. After more brief testing it's coming from here:

It sprays out right where the 5VZ fuel line connects to the ORS adapter hose. After talking with Mike he thinks the fitting adapter must be in backwards. So tommorrow off it comes to check it out.

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callmej75 · 09-29-2006, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

The battery is in and the key has been turned:

It's alive! Starts right up and seems to idle just fine. Sounds great! I stopped it to check fluid levels and I smell gas. I'm thinking it must be running pretty rich, until I see a huge wet spot under the engine. Fuel leak, bad one too. I look up from under the truck and find the high pressure fuel line is dripping wet. After more brief testing it's coming from here:

It sprays out right where the 5VZ fuel line connects to the ORS adapter hose. After talking with Mike he thinks the fitting adapter must be in backwards. So tommorrow off it comes to check it out.

Awesome! You'll have them little mishaps...but that is just minor stuff!

AH64ID · 09-29-2006, 07:28 PM

Very very cool

thefallman · 09-29-2006, 07:36 PM

same exact thing happend with my fuel line when i started the truck too

lol scared the ÅÅÅÅ out of me cause i started it first time with ought the cross over. so i was like ooooh ÅÅÅÅ i could have burnt the thing down.

anyway mine runs great with my 3vze autotranny A340H. Towed all my crap down here to denver with the truck got a couple issues i still need to work out but nothing major.

jim_patterson · 09-29-2006, 07:41 PM

Congrats I know the feeling, mine fired to life about three weeks ago after being down for 2.5months. The 5vze has proven to be a great motor so far. The power difference even thought mine is n/a has been great compared to the 3.0, I can actually hold steady 75 on the freeway without trying and it drives around town like a normal truck.

breknraj · 09-29-2006, 09:07 PM

Congrats, Mt. Goat!

You've done some outstanding work on your truck!

I'm really looking forward to hearing mine start the first time, too! I hope its not too far in the future!

mt_goat · 09-30-2006, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefallman

same exact thing happend with my fuel line when i started the truck too

lol scared the ÅÅÅÅ out of me cause i started it first time with ought the cross over. so i was like ooooh ÅÅÅÅ i could have burnt the thing down.

Yeah that was my main concern too, fuel was spraying out right next to the exhaust manifold

Not sure how long you could get away with that before flames are everywhere. Did you have the adapter in backwards?

You will have to start a thread about your experience with the 3.0 auto tranny/ 5VZ combo now. That's great!

mt_goat · 09-30-2006, 09:58 AM

Well the fitting was in correctly.
This side:

Was into the 5VZ fuel line:

But I noticed a possible problem with the adapter, it is steel, and so is the 5VZ fuel line. Is this cool to have a steel into steel compression fitting? I thought with compression fittings one metal was suppost to be softer than the other and conform to the other suface for a tight seal.

When I was talking to Mike yesterday he mentioned the adapter he sent me was blue. I told him that it was gold colored, and he seemed puzzled. Maybe this was a mistake and it is suppost to be a blue aluminum fitting?

thefallman · 09-30-2006, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

Well the fitting was in correctly.
This side:

Was into the 5VZ fuel line:

But I noticed a possible problem with the adapter, it is steel, and so is the 5VZ fuel line. Is this cool to have a steel into steel compression fitting? I thought with compression fittings one metal was suppost to be softer than the other and conform to the other suface for a tight seal.

When I was talking to Mike yesterday he mentioned the adapter he sent me was blue. I told him that it was gold colored, and he seemed puzzled. Maybe this was a mistake and it is suppost to be a blue aluminum fitting?

I actually didnt use an adapter i just loosened the bolt on the fuel rail rotated the fuel line over so it was going over the end of the valve cover and then bolted it right up to the stock fitting.

as far as the thread goes ill work on that this week but things are a bit on the disorganized side here right now cause of the move, and the baby is due on thanksgiving day. We are actually still looking for a place still, and are staying in my wifes parents basement for the moment. So i will post as soon as i can ill post a pic of the engine bay tomorrow PROMISE.

mt_goat · 10-01-2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefallman

I actually didnt use an adapter i just loosened the bolt on the fuel rail rotated the fuel line over so it was going over the end of the valve cover and then bolted it right up to the stock fitting.

Interesting, so where did your's leak from and how did you fix it?

Tragic Drive · 10-01-2006, 01:05 PM

Dale,
When I did my fuel line I bought a 4' stick of new line from the auto store.
I then cut the existing fuel line down on the frame and used a flare fitting to connect the existing to the new line and A couple of bends later and I had a solid fuel line up in the engine compartment.
There is a brass fitting on the piece that gets cut out just flare it on the new line and hook it up to the 3.4 hose. It's only three connections and works great.

Oh yeah that engine really looks nice in its new home .

mastacox · 10-01-2006, 01:33 PM

Very sweet!

I'm sure you'll have the fuel leak fixed soon, I look forward to seeing some pics of the finished truck in action

mastacox · 10-01-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

It is just silly how nice your rig is going to be.

I'd like to agree with this, BTW

mt_goat · 10-01-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragic Drive

Dale,
When I did my fuel line I bought a 4' stick of new line from the auto store.
I then cut the existing fuel line down on the frame and used a flare fitting to connect the existing to the new line and A couple of bends later and I had a solid fuel line up in the engine compartment.
There is a brass fitting on the piece that gets cut out just flare it on the new line and hook it up to the 3.4 hose. It's only three connections and works great.

Oh yeah that engine really looks nice in its new home .

Thanks guys! So Thomas what size (diameter) line did you get? Was it the same as the factory line? Did you do any special flare on it or just a standard flare?

thefallman · 10-01-2006, 03:12 PM

okay here's the deal

i was having trouble with the direct link so i put the second thumb nail link in.

1. Stock 3.0 Fuel Line Connector.

2. Stock 3.0 Fuel Line and Connector from Engine Cut and Brazed to T Connector.

3. Plug in T for will this part of T will Later be used for a Fuel Pressure Gauge.

4. Stock 3.0 Fuel Line Union. is the same thread as the 3.4 Fuel Line. 3.4 Fuel line can be connected to #1 if it is flipped over so the upper steel portion is going over the passenger valve cover.

5. T connector for Fuel pressure gauge to be added later.

6. New Connector on the end of fuel line to accomidate T.

When Flipped the fuel line will be Slightly long. but can be used as is with No modifications. I modified my line as i said to accomidate a fuel pressure gauge later.

here is a picture of the flip.

Tragic Drive · 10-01-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

Thanks guys! So Thomas what size (diameter) line did you get? Was it the same as the factory line? Did you do any special flare on it or just a standard flare?

Dale,
The fit was really close if not perfect but its been about a year since I had to match this up so I took some pics for you. I used a regular flare (single) tool and haven't had any problems so far. Really this connection should not be a problem for you once it's all said and done especially since you used the ORS crossover.
That crossover should eliminate any close to header collector contact I had on my swap.

I do however want to give you props for a very inspirational write up and appreciate all the pics. To all the second gen owners this is a very viable swap that is very rewarding on so many levels.

thefallman · 10-01-2006, 03:59 PM

Can you see the first pic i posted

i cant

thefallman · 10-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Top line on fire wall is return from tank to Evap box
Bottom line on firewall is the return line from fuel rail

3.4 Cruise Control Actuator. I used 3.4 Cruise ECU as well.

3.4 Evap Box

Routed 0/1 Gage Cable from batter to this Distribution block i got from a stereo shop. Then routed 2 Gage to the Starter.

mt_goat · 10-01-2006, 06:57 PM

Wow, lots of help! Thanks Thomas and Fallman, it's good to know there are other ways to do it. At this point ORS will be open in the morning and I'll give Mike a chance to make it right since I already paid for his conversion kit. I hope I don't have to take off the supercharger and flip the fuel line around. I'm hoping I just got the wrong adapters or something. I'll see what Mike says tommorrow.

thefallman · 10-01-2006, 07:05 PM

Well my computer crashed yesterday so i cant post any of the other swap pics up till i get it back from dell. motherboard got some shorts in it i think. harddrives fine though

mt_goat · 10-02-2006, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefallman

Well my computer crashed yesterday so i cant post any of the other swap pics up till i get it back from dell. motherboard got some shorts in it i think. harddrives fine though

Fallman when you get your computer going again please start a whole new thread for your pics. Your swap looks great and deserves it's own thread, you don't want it buried on page 9 or 10 of this one, and neither do I. Don't forget to cover your tranny too!

mt_goat · 10-02-2006, 09:23 AM

Well Mike is sending me out a couple of aluminum adapters to try. They used the steel before without problems but maybe these will work better.

I noticed one thing about the steel fitting I took off, the hole through the middle was slightly off center, so the mating surface was slightly oval shaped.

It also appeared that the contact marks made from the other suface didn't go all the way around, which would explain why it was leaking. This minor misalignment was probably something that would seal up if one metal was softer than the other and could conform some, but being that both were steel perfect alignment is more critical.

mt_goat · 10-02-2006, 09:57 AM

My old tranny cooler is now a power steering cooler:

I hooked it up to the low pressure return line. I've heard these newer 5VZ power steering pumps are more prone to burning up than the older 3VZ pump. Some Taco guys have been through 3 or more pumps. The guys having the worst trouble are running solid axle though. So the cooler and synthetic Mobil 1 ATF should help. I think some have fit the older pumps with the 5VZ pulley and used them. The rack and pinion steering system uses a higher pressure pump, or so I heard. Maybe the higher pressure pump generates more heat?

Here it is with the skid plate on:

thefallman · 10-02-2006, 03:36 PM

well i will do that this week i talked to dell earlier and they informed me that it was just the battery LOL oops. so now im just using my computer with the ac adapter and no battery till i get one from dell.

mt_goat · 10-03-2006, 08:53 AM

I got the other end of the high pressure fuel line provided by ORS disconnected while waiting for delivery of the new adapters. There appeared to be a leak at this end too, but not as bad as the other end which was spraying out. Here's what I found on this adapter, which like the other side is a steel on steel connection.

Unlike the other one, this one appeared to have the hole drilled in the center of the fitting, BUT it had machining chatter marks all over the sealing surface. I wish I had a macro lens for my digital camera, but you can still see them:

With a magnifing glass I could tell the marks from the mating surface were just hitting the tops of the chatter marks, leaving the valleys without contact to the mating surface and free to leak fuel right by.

There is no doubt in my mind that both of these fittings are defective, at least for a steel on steel connection. If they were mating up to a brass or aluminum coupler they might seal, but not steel on steel. Machining of steel fittings needs to be precise.

To ORS credit they are providing some different fittings at no charge and are not currently using the steel fittings anymore.

09-29-2006, 07:28 PM	#203 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	Very very cool __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

09-29-2006, 07:36 PM	#204 (permalink)
thefallman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 550	same exact thing happend with my fuel line when i started the truck too lol scared the ÅÅÅÅ out of me cause i started it first time with ought the cross over. so i was like ooooh ÅÅÅÅ i could have burnt the thing down. anyway mine runs great with my 3vze autotranny A340H. Towed all my crap down here to denver with the truck got a couple issues i still need to work out but nothing major. __________________ ~Brian GETTING FIXED 89 Ex-Cab 3.4 Conv. T100 Auto Tranny ~Phoenix 94 Ex-Cab 22re 5spd Came with parts truck. Doesnt run yet. 90 4runner 3.0 Auto (Wifes Toy) 92 4runner 3.0 Auto (Currently With Blown Engine) (New 3.4 Swap i think)

09-30-2006, 09:58 AM	#208 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,919	Well the fitting was in correctly. This side: Was into the 5VZ fuel line: But I noticed a possible problem with the adapter, it is steel, and so is the 5VZ fuel line. Is this cool to have a steel into steel compression fitting? I thought with compression fittings one metal was suppost to be softer than the other and conform to the other suface for a tight seal. When I was talking to Mike yesterday he mentioned the adapter he sent me was blue. I told him that it was gold colored, and he seemed puzzled. Maybe this was a mistake and it is suppost to be a blue aluminum fitting? __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 03:24 PM.

10-01-2006, 01:05 PM	#211 (permalink)
Tragic Drive Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 410	Dale, When I did my fuel line I bought a 4' stick of new line from the auto store. I then cut the existing fuel line down on the frame and used a flare fitting to connect the existing to the new line and A couple of bends later and I had a solid fuel line up in the engine compartment. There is a brass fitting on the piece that gets cut out just flare it on the new line and hook it up to the 3.4 hose. It's only three connections and works great. Oh yeah that engine really looks nice in its new home . __________________ *,Thomas* Supercharged 3.4 in a ARB Locked 95 Runner

10-01-2006, 01:33 PM	#212 (permalink)
mastacox Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 2,650	Very sweet! I'm sure you'll have the fuel leak fixed soon, I look forward to seeing some pics of the finished truck in action __________________ Brian 1998 4Runner SR5

09-29-2006, 07:41 PM	#205 (permalink)
jim_patterson Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 11	Congrats I know the feeling, mine fired to life about three weeks ago after being down for 2.5months. The 5vze has proven to be a great motor so far. The power difference even thought mine is n/a has been great compared to the 3.0, I can actually hold steady 75 on the freeway without trying and it drives around town like a normal truck.

09-29-2006, 09:07 PM	#206 (permalink)
breknraj Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Summit County, Colorado Posts: 898	Congrats, Mt. Goat! You've done some outstanding work on your truck! I'm really looking forward to hearing mine start the first time, too! I hope its not too far in the future!

10-01-2006, 03:12 PM	#215 (permalink)
thefallman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 550	okay here's the deal i was having trouble with the direct link so i put the second thumb nail link in. 1. Stock 3.0 Fuel Line Connector. 2. Stock 3.0 Fuel Line and Connector from Engine Cut and Brazed to T Connector. 3. Plug in T for will this part of T will Later be used for a Fuel Pressure Gauge. 4. Stock 3.0 Fuel Line Union. is the same thread as the 3.4 Fuel Line. 3.4 Fuel line can be connected to #1 if it is flipped over so the upper steel portion is going over the passenger valve cover. 5. T connector for Fuel pressure gauge to be added later. 6. New Connector on the end of fuel line to accomidate T. When Flipped the fuel line will be Slightly long. but can be used as is with No modifications. I modified my line as i said to accomidate a fuel pressure gauge later. here is a picture of the flip. __________________ ~Brian GETTING FIXED 89 Ex-Cab 3.4 Conv. T100 Auto Tranny ~Phoenix 94 Ex-Cab 22re 5spd Came with parts truck. Doesnt run yet. 90 4runner 3.0 Auto (Wifes Toy) 92 4runner 3.0 Auto (Currently With Blown Engine) (New 3.4 Swap i think) Last edited by thefallman; 10-01-2006 at 04:13 PM.

10-01-2006, 03:59 PM	#217 (permalink)
thefallman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 550	Can you see the first pic i posted i cant __________________ ~Brian GETTING FIXED 89 Ex-Cab 3.4 Conv. T100 Auto Tranny ~Phoenix 94 Ex-Cab 22re 5spd Came with parts truck. Doesnt run yet. 90 4runner 3.0 Auto (Wifes Toy) 92 4runner 3.0 Auto (Currently With Blown Engine) (New 3.4 Swap i think) Last edited by thefallman; 10-01-2006 at 06:02 PM.

10-01-2006, 06:02 PM	#218 (permalink)
thefallman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 550	Top line on fire wall is return from tank to Evap box Bottom line on firewall is the return line from fuel rail 3.4 Cruise Control Actuator. I used 3.4 Cruise ECU as well. 3.4 Evap Box Routed 0/1 Gage Cable from batter to this Distribution block i got from a stereo shop. Then routed 2 Gage to the Starter. __________________ ~Brian GETTING FIXED 89 Ex-Cab 3.4 Conv. T100 Auto Tranny ~Phoenix 94 Ex-Cab 22re 5spd Came with parts truck. Doesnt run yet. 90 4runner 3.0 Auto (Wifes Toy) 92 4runner 3.0 Auto (Currently With Blown Engine) (New 3.4 Swap i think) Last edited by thefallman; 10-01-2006 at 06:13 PM.

10-01-2006, 06:57 PM	#219 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,919	Wow, lots of help! Thanks Thomas and Fallman, it's good to know there are other ways to do it. At this point ORS will be open in the morning and I'll give Mike a chance to make it right since I already paid for his conversion kit. I hope I don't have to take off the supercharger and flip the fuel line around. I'm hoping I just got the wrong adapters or something. I'll see what Mike says tommorrow. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

10-01-2006, 07:05 PM	#220 (permalink)
thefallman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 550	Well my computer crashed yesterday so i cant post any of the other swap pics up till i get it back from dell. motherboard got some shorts in it i think. harddrives fine though __________________ ~Brian GETTING FIXED 89 Ex-Cab 3.4 Conv. T100 Auto Tranny ~Phoenix 94 Ex-Cab 22re 5spd Came with parts truck. Doesnt run yet. 90 4runner 3.0 Auto (Wifes Toy) 92 4runner 3.0 Auto (Currently With Blown Engine) (New 3.4 Swap i think)

10-02-2006, 09:23 AM	#222 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,919	Well Mike is sending me out a couple of aluminum adapters to try. They used the steel before without problems but maybe these will work better. I noticed one thing about the steel fitting I took off, the hole through the middle was slightly off center, so the mating surface was slightly oval shaped. It also appeared that the contact marks made from the other suface didn't go all the way around, which would explain why it was leaking. This minor misalignment was probably something that would seal up if one metal was softer than the other and could conform some, but being that both were steel perfect alignment is more critical. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 03:26 PM.

10-02-2006, 09:57 AM	#223 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,919	My old tranny cooler is now a power steering cooler: I hooked it up to the low pressure return line. I've heard these newer 5VZ power steering pumps are more prone to burning up than the older 3VZ pump. Some Taco guys have been through 3 or more pumps. The guys having the worst trouble are running solid axle though. So the cooler and synthetic Mobil 1 ATF should help. I think some have fit the older pumps with the 5VZ pulley and used them. The rack and pinion steering system uses a higher pressure pump, or so I heard. Maybe the higher pressure pump generates more heat? Here it is with the skid plate on: __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 03:27 PM.

10-02-2006, 03:36 PM	#224 (permalink)
thefallman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 550	well i will do that this week i talked to dell earlier and they informed me that it was just the battery LOL oops. so now im just using my computer with the ac adapter and no battery till i get one from dell. __________________ ~Brian GETTING FIXED 89 Ex-Cab 3.4 Conv. T100 Auto Tranny ~Phoenix 94 Ex-Cab 22re 5spd Came with parts truck. Doesnt run yet. 90 4runner 3.0 Auto (Wifes Toy) 92 4runner 3.0 Auto (Currently With Blown Engine) (New 3.4 Swap i think)

10-03-2006, 08:53 AM	#225 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,919	I got the other end of the high pressure fuel line provided by ORS disconnected while waiting for delivery of the new adapters. There appeared to be a leak at this end too, but not as bad as the other end which was spraying out. Here's what I found on this adapter, which like the other side is a steel on steel connection. Unlike the other one, this one appeared to have the hole drilled in the center of the fitting, BUT it had machining chatter marks all over the sealing surface. I wish I had a macro lens for my digital camera, but you can still see them: With a magnifing glass I could tell the marks from the mating surface were just hitting the tops of the chatter marks, leaving the valleys without contact to the mating surface and free to leak fuel right by. There is no doubt in my mind that both of these fittings are defective, at least for a steel on steel connection. If they were mating up to a brass or aluminum coupler they might seal, but not steel on steel. Machining of steel fittings needs to be precise. To ORS credit they are providing some different fittings at no charge and are not currently using the steel fittings anymore. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 03:29 PM.

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