3.4 swap started - Page 5

mt_goat · 07-27-2006, 06:09 AM

This was the latest delay, designing and fabbing protection for the motor mounts:

I made one for each side, although the drivers side is the one under tension in forward gears, with dual cases, reverse has potental to rip a rubber mount apart too. (Pics were before I painted with truck bed spray, which should help deaden the chain rattle noises)

I decided to bolt down to the frame rather than welding it down to provide adjustment later. The adjustment seems very important to me with chaining down the mounts, I want some slack to allow the rubber to isolate vibrations, but not too much slack. With the new mounts provided by ORS I figure they will be settling in and squishing down over time. The old ones were squished down about 1/4 inch. The plate will be bolted down with grade 8 washers stacked under it, they can be removed later to tighten the chains or more added to provide more slack. Also the D-ring size can be changed for even more adjustment.

I'm also replacing the bolts from the motor mount bracket into the block. The stock 3.0 bolts were not quite long enough IMHO. Engineering basics say to provide at least 1 1/2 times the diameter of the bolt in thread depth. The stock bolts were just short of that safety factor. Probably fine for the stock 150 hp engine, but I'm going for double that hp. The 3.4 block is tapped for longer bolts, so I bought some longer ones.

By keeping a limit on engine movement I'm also keeping my fingers crossed that I can get away with just a one inch body lift and no hood scoop. I do plan on removing the hood insulation and cutting the hood bracing that's in the way. If not, I think I'll cut a hole in the hood before I add a taller BL.

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mt_goat · 07-27-2006, 01:16 PM

While the crank pulley has easy access I did a little more welding to make a SST for holding the crank. I fabbed it up out of scrap steel and used some 3/8" grade 8 bolts with the heads cut off for the pins. 3/8" is a perfect fit for the crank. Tried it out already, 217 ft-lbs didn't budge the crank bolt.

mt_goat · 07-29-2006, 03:59 PM

Got the EGT bung welded on:

Tanto · 07-29-2006, 04:10 PM

All very clean and looking good, Dale.

mt_goat · 08-07-2006, 06:12 PM

Sorry haven't made the time to update much,

The exhaust cross-over got a coat of Very high temp paint:

And a wrapping of header wrap. EDIT 1/8/09: The wrap didn't seem to work out too good, see page 29. It appears ceramic coating may be a better way to go.

The new (hopefully leak free) Marlin V6 adapter coupler is on now:

And the Ultimate Crawler ready to go on:

The crawler is on:

The mechanical speedo sender has to be removed from the crawler to work with my 93 SR5 instrument cluster and the electronic speedo sender from my 3.0 will go in its place (according to Marlin):

Elvota · 08-07-2006, 07:38 PM

It is just silly how nice your rig is going to be.

What are your thoughts on header wrap holding in moisture on a trail rig? Any worries?

mt_goat · 08-07-2006, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

It is just silly how nice your rig is going to be.

What are your thoughts on header wrap holding in moisture on a trail rig? Any worries?

Thanks!

Not too worried about moisture on a part that gets so hot. It will evaporate off by just running it a while after a soaking. The VHT paint was to protect from rusting too. Mike @ ORS recommends it for his cross-over and he's done a few of these already. I'm just following his advice.

Elvota · 08-07-2006, 08:30 PM

Oh yeah, the paint would help with that.

Keep up the good work and posts. Great source when I do my swap... one day.

Tim_Snapple76 · 08-07-2006, 09:29 PM

wow. super clean, and I wish you the best of luck. Keep us updated. Great pics. Truck of the month whenever you finish 4 sho. Tim

TNRabbit · 08-08-2006, 05:47 AM

Sorry, I came in late on this thread; do you have any pics of the outside of your truck?

Engine looks FANTASTIC!

mt_goat · 08-08-2006, 06:16 AM

Thanks guys!

Here you go TN: http://community.webshots.com/album/399172301OQQGRv

Next projects are sliders and a rear bumper so don't laugh at the chrome nurf bars please.

TNRabbit · 08-08-2006, 06:28 AM

SWEET! Nice job.

1jznatruck · 08-14-2006, 09:48 PM

Very nice looking truck, I've got an 86' 2WD SR5 Turbo with a 1jz-gte in it, signed up because im looking for a 4Runner to put a 5vzfe in it and use it to tow my 86' to the track! Looks great!

mt_goat · 08-15-2006, 06:15 AM

Thanks guys, I dropped the engine in this weekend for some test fitting. The ORS exhaust crossover looks to fit great. The 5VZ air box is a tight fit but I'm going to make it work, the front of the box will be almost touching the windshield washer bottle and the intake of the box is almost touching the interfender. I marked the interfender for a little hole cutting job later, that will have it breathing from inside the fender like the Tacos do, minus the elbow.

1jznatruck · 08-15-2006, 09:10 AM

That should give it quite a bit of pep, what kind of extra power are you expecting out of the supercharger? Like I said I'd like to do a 3.4L swap but I have a extra 7m-gte laying around so I'm just debating between the two. I'd love to hear what you think of the 3.4!

Cebby · 08-15-2006, 09:18 AM

Looks like the hood won't close without a little surgery.

mt_goat · 08-15-2006, 10:36 AM

Yeah Cebby I plan on removing the insulation and cutting the bracing under the hood. If that doesn't do it I'll be looking for that hood scoop. If I'm real close to fitting I may try a couple washers between the hood and hinges just to see what it looks like before I cut the hole. I will have a hard time cutting the hole because I've taken such good care of the paint job for 13 years. :cry:

mt_goat · 08-15-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1jznatruck

That should give it quite a bit of pep, what kind of extra power are you expecting out of the supercharger? Like I said I'd like to do a 3.4L swap but I have a extra 7m-gte laying around so I'm just debating between the two. I'd love to hear what you think of the 3.4!

Not sure yet, but stay tuned.

Tragic Drive · 08-21-2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

Thanks, yeah purty until the first mud hole anyway lol.

But you will always have these pics to drool over

. Any updates ?

mt_goat · 08-21-2006, 06:38 PM

Well since you ask Thomas, I got a few things done. The tranny is about ready to go in, just have a little more heat shielding to do on the tranny wiring harness, it goes right by the exhaust.

I got the 4crawler short throw shifter kit on:

So here it is ready to bolt up:

I found a shifter boot for the 2nd transfer case shifter at Pepboys that should work to keep the elements out of the cab:

Here is a test fit of the ECU, I was able to get one bracket to fit:

The URD FTC fit good behind the glove box, with a little trimming on the glove box:

Got some of the dash put back together:

Elvota · 08-21-2006, 10:46 PM

That shifter boot is a good find.

Your attention to details on this build should really help others following in your foot steps.

mt_goat · 08-22-2006, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

That shifter boot is a good find.

Your attention to details on this build should really help others following in your foot steps.

It was a lucky find because 2 of the workers at Pepboys told me they didn't have any rubber shift boots (one was a manager) but I couldn't believe it so I looked anyway and found 2 different sizes in their hotrod section. It was only $12. O'Reillys could order one from Hurst for $20. I'll probably end up hiding it anyway, I just needed something to seal up the hole below the console.

I've been trying to focus a lot of attention on the auto tranny parts of this swap because there isn't much info out there on the auto, most guys doing this swap have 5 speeds. Ironic because the 3.0 auto is the biggest dog of the two. Without the power and proper gearing the 3.0 auto is basicly a 3 speed truck.

hause64oz · 08-22-2006, 08:49 PM

mt goat - considering the swap in my 95 5 spd... are the ORS instructions pretty thorough? from this thread it sounds pretty intense, but Im wondering if just the engine swap is more standard than a lot of the additional mods you are making... where else can I find information on this swap - ie other forums? Thanks.

mt_goat · 08-23-2006, 06:20 AM

The ORS instructions are very good and are even better now than when I started because Mike has added more pics and tips and also clarified some things.

Through this whole thread I have purposely not repeated any of Mike's instructions as ORS does not authorize the sharing of them. I have instead tried to focused on things not covered by the ORS instructions and the extra goodies I'm installing that are not part of the basic swap, and as mentioned earlier the auto tranny part of the swap. I wish I had put auto transmission in the title of this thread now, maybe I can still add it. Nope it didn't let me, Mods could you help me with that?

The swap with a manual tranny is easier and is covered a lot on forums like here. Also try over at 4x4wire: http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/postli...t=&Board=UBB11
And of course ORS: http://www.offroadsolutions.com/tech...ersion_kit.htm
Also some good info on Pirate but they don't have free search anymore so use Google advanced search features to search for them by adding Pirate to your search words: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Mike and the ORS staff have been very helpful to me and I never could have done this swap without them. They provide a great product and stand behind it with customer support. It's a good thing my cell phone has a free long distance plan, because I can't count the number of calls I've made for help. They may not always answer the phone but they do return calls and are very helpful.

mastacox · 08-23-2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1jznatruck

That should give it quite a bit of pep, what kind of extra power are you expecting out of the supercharger? Like I said I'd like to do a 3.4L swap but I have a extra 7m-gte laying around so I'm just debating between the two. I'd love to hear what you think of the 3.4!

My guess, with the entire package (water injection, URD kit, 2.2" pulley) he'll be pushing 360 hp at the crank. Basically, all the added stuff will tack on about 175hp, he will have effectively doubled the output of the 3.4!!!

My guess, he might even be able to go with bigger injectors and a 2.1" pulley later on, since the WI will keep the EGT's down, going up to perhaps 380-400 hp

07-27-2006, 01:16 PM	#102 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	While the crank pulley has easy access I did a little more welding to make a SST for holding the crank. I fabbed it up out of scrap steel and used some 3/8" grade 8 bolts with the heads cut off for the pins. 3/8" is a perfect fit for the crank. Tried it out already, 217 ft-lbs didn't budge the crank bolt. Attached Thumbnails __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 10:11 AM.

07-29-2006, 03:59 PM	#103 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Got the EGT bung welded on: Attached Thumbnails __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 10:11 AM.

08-07-2006, 06:12 PM	#105 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Sorry haven't made the time to update much, The exhaust cross-over got a coat of Very high temp paint: And a wrapping of header wrap. EDIT 1/8/09: The wrap didn't seem to work out too good, see page 29. It appears ceramic coating may be a better way to go. The new (hopefully leak free) Marlin V6 adapter coupler is on now: And the Ultimate Crawler ready to go on: The crawler is on: The mechanical speedo sender has to be removed from the crawler to work with my 93 SR5 instrument cluster and the electronic speedo sender from my 3.0 will go in its place (according to Marlin): Attached Thumbnails __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 01-17-2009 at 08:44 AM.

08-07-2006, 07:38 PM	#106 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	It is just silly how nice your rig is going to be. What are your thoughts on header wrap holding in moisture on a trail rig? Any worries? __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

08-07-2006, 08:30 PM	#108 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	Oh yeah, the paint would help with that. Keep up the good work and posts. Great source when I do my swap... one day. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

08-07-2006, 09:29 PM	#109 (permalink)
Tim_Snapple76 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SouthEast Arkansas Posts: 156	wow. super clean, and I wish you the best of luck. Keep us updated. Great pics. Truck of the month whenever you finish 4 sho. Tim

08-08-2006, 06:16 AM	#111 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Thanks guys! Here you go TN: http://community.webshots.com/album/399172301OQQGRv Next projects are sliders and a rear bumper so don't laugh at the chrome nurf bars please. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 08-08-2006 at 06:26 AM.

08-14-2006, 09:48 PM	#113 (permalink)
1jznatruck Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2	Very nice looking truck, I've got an 86' 2WD SR5 Turbo with a 1jz-gte in it, signed up because im looking for a 4Runner to put a 5vzfe in it and use it to tow my 86' to the track! Looks great!

08-15-2006, 06:15 AM	#114 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Thanks guys, I dropped the engine in this weekend for some test fitting. The ORS exhaust crossover looks to fit great. The 5VZ air box is a tight fit but I'm going to make it work, the front of the box will be almost touching the windshield washer bottle and the intake of the box is almost touching the interfender. I marked the interfender for a little hole cutting job later, that will have it breathing from inside the fender like the Tacos do, minus the elbow. Attached Thumbnails __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 08-15-2006 at 06:22 AM.

08-15-2006, 09:10 AM	#115 (permalink)
1jznatruck Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2	That should give it quite a bit of pep, what kind of extra power are you expecting out of the supercharger? Like I said I'd like to do a 3.4L swap but I have a extra 7m-gte laying around so I'm just debating between the two. I'd love to hear what you think of the 3.4!

08-15-2006, 09:18 AM	#116 (permalink)
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08-15-2006, 10:36 AM	#117 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Yeah Cebby I plan on removing the insulation and cutting the bracing under the hood. If that doesn't do it I'll be looking for that hood scoop. If I'm real close to fitting I may try a couple washers between the hood and hinges just to see what it looks like before I cut the hole. I will have a hard time cutting the hole because I've taken such good care of the paint job for 13 years. :cry: __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

08-21-2006, 06:38 PM	#120 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Well since you ask Thomas, I got a few things done. The tranny is about ready to go in, just have a little more heat shielding to do on the tranny wiring harness, it goes right by the exhaust. I got the 4crawler short throw shifter kit on: So here it is ready to bolt up: I found a shifter boot for the 2nd transfer case shifter at Pepboys that should work to keep the elements out of the cab: Here is a test fit of the ECU, I was able to get one bracket to fit: The URD FTC fit good behind the glove box, with a little trimming on the glove box: Got some of the dash put back together: __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 02-02-2008 at 10:23 AM.

08-21-2006, 10:46 PM	#121 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	That shifter boot is a good find. Your attention to details on this build should really help others following in your foot steps. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

08-22-2006, 08:49 PM	#123 (permalink)
hause64oz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 42	mt goat - considering the swap in my 95 5 spd... are the ORS instructions pretty thorough? from this thread it sounds pretty intense, but Im wondering if just the engine swap is more standard than a lot of the additional mods you are making... where else can I find information on this swap - ie other forums? Thanks.

08-23-2006, 06:20 AM	#124 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	The ORS instructions are very good and are even better now than when I started because Mike has added more pics and tips and also clarified some things. Through this whole thread I have purposely not repeated any of Mike's instructions as ORS does not authorize the sharing of them. I have instead tried to focused on things not covered by the ORS instructions and the extra goodies I'm installing that are not part of the basic swap, and as mentioned earlier the auto tranny part of the swap. I wish I had put auto transmission in the title of this thread now, maybe I can still add it. Nope it didn't let me, Mods could you help me with that? The swap with a manual tranny is easier and is covered a lot on forums like here. Also try over at 4x4wire: http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/postli...t=&Board=UBB11 And of course ORS: http://www.offroadsolutions.com/tech...ersion_kit.htm Also some good info on Pirate but they don't have free search anymore so use Google advanced search features to search for them by adding Pirate to your search words: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Mike and the ORS staff have been very helpful to me and I never could have done this swap without them. They provide a great product and stand behind it with customer support. It's a good thing my cell phone has a free long distance plan, because I can't count the number of calls I've made for help. They may not always answer the phone but they do return calls and are very helpful. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 08-23-2006 at 06:48 AM.

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