help wanted-clutch replacement

northfacer581 · 11-13-2005, 05:53 PM

administraters: sorry if this belongs in another section, move if needed.

im looking for anyone relatively close to charlotte to replace my clutch and anything else that goes along with it (flywheel resurfacing). im simply looking for someone trustworthy to do the job, and ill pay an appropriate fee. the stock clutch is slipping like crazy, and its only been 5k since the toyota dealership replacement. i dont trust them for this job. if anyone can, or knows someone that can do this, please let me know via this thread or pm. thanks!

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keisur · 11-13-2005, 06:10 PM

Shouldn't the dealership replace it or adjust it for you since it's only been 5k miles? I've always thought they have a guaranty on their work.

northfacer581 · 11-13-2005, 06:15 PM

i sure hope so...im going up there tommorrow. its funny, everytime i go up there, they tell me the same reason for why anything is wrong, even if it was their own mistake...

trust worthy toyota mechanic: "well it looks like that leak we fixed last time is back"

me: "o, thats funny, i was in here one week ago, and ive driven to and from school since then"

trust worthy toyota mechanic: "i believe its due to all these modifications you have done to this 4runner, you should really keep this thing modification free, it runs much better that way"

me: "so youre going to make me pay for this, even though im positive theres nothing i could have done to it, and that it was due to your error?"

trust worthy toyota mechanic: "that is correct"

jimbo74 · 11-13-2005, 06:21 PM

have you thought of attempting it yourself? its not that hard...

i beleive a few members here helped keggo replace his clutch recently

northfacer581 · 11-13-2005, 06:44 PM

ive thought about it...im just really bad with that kind of do it yourself...im more of an electrical/audio kind of guy. i can wire up anything complete with all doo dads and whatnot, but engine/transmission type of stuff, im about as useful as my girlfriend. i just guess i need more time and practice, im only 17...but i really want it done this week because im going to uwharrie (really the only place in nc to wheel) this weekend.

anyone up for helping/doing most of the work haha?

tc · 11-13-2005, 06:55 PM

Never replaced a clutch, but I'll be down there at my folks next week if you need a hand.

northfacer581 · 11-13-2005, 07:30 PM

preciate it, ill update as soon as i visit dealership tommorrow.

keisur · 11-14-2005, 05:36 PM

me and beaux replaced my clutch last march and it's still going strong. I could have done it myself but the extra pair of eyes for aligning the tranny to mate back up to the engine was very helpful. So it's doable. Wild Bill did it himself too.

What kind of leak do you have (reoccuring) northface? I've had real leak problems with my rear wheel seals, both sides I've had replaced 3 or so times at the dealership and finally did it myself and stopped the leaks.

northfacer581 · 11-14-2005, 06:15 PM

the leaks were coming from the transfer case. the dealership did fix it the second time though.

looks like im going to get the centerforce dual friction clutch. i am going to have 4wheelparts install it.

i would love to hear everyones first thoughts after reading that previous sentence. however the reason i chose this is because they are an authorized dealer and the install comes with a warranty. this is key.

i talked with the toyota place today-basically they said theyll look at it for a fee, and most likely wouldnt replace anything, fix anything, for free, no matter what they see when they open. im not going back there. ever.

keisur · 11-14-2005, 09:05 PM

I wouldn't go back there ever either. That is one of the reasons I stopped going to the dealer to have work done after the warranty was up, that and the shoddy workmanship left me with a non-trusting feeling towards toyota "techs" as they claim themselves as.

The dual force is a good choice in my opinion. I went oem from the stealership (parts only) and did the install in my garage. but I only went with the oem because of the money I had at the time. had I had the money for the dual friction centerforce then, I would have gotten it instead. I believe the pedal will be a little, maybe alot, stiffer than it is now so if you have bad knees as I do, be aware. Other than that I think it's a good choice.

PS> for future referrence for my own info for later when I need a new clutch, what did they quote you for the parts and install?

northfacer581 · 11-15-2005, 09:26 AM

i didnt ask. once he told me they couldnt do anything, i basically hung up. if i remember correctly when they last installed, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 1500. i could be way off. i have yet to call 4wheelparts.

as for the stiffness, i do have one advantage. im 17 and right now it seems whatever i do i still have plenty of energy or whatever. however im a soccer player, so i have targets on my knees. hopefully the stiffness wont bother me too much.

rimpainter.com · 11-15-2005, 11:29 AM

Dude, I think you gave up way too early on the dealer. Over the phone they will do anything they can to get out of warranty work. This is just ridiculous. Get an adult, like your dad, to go in there with you and have a constructive discussion with the service manager. Know exactly what you want out of this, and be prepared to demand it. Document everything and take this right up the chain of command. 5K miles, unless you did smokey clutch-burning 1st gear launches all the time, shouldn't be anywhere close to the clutch slipping. Pursue this, seriously.

Glenn · 11-15-2005, 11:59 AM

^^^
What he said. My clutch has lasted well over 100K miles. I have seen the stock Toyota clutches go for 200K or more.

northfacer581 · 11-15-2005, 01:48 PM

will do. ive only had the clutch smoke on me one time, and that was this summer when i was wheeling. other than that, ive never smelled my clutch.

i will try to go in with my dad, but he has a very busy work schedule. i wonder what they did/could have done wrong?

garrett1478 · 11-15-2005, 01:50 PM

not used a new clutch?? maybe?

northfacer581 · 11-15-2005, 04:31 PM

haha. if that is true, i dont even know what to say. i hope whenever i can get up there it goes smoothly.

someone mentioned sometimes they dont resurface the flywheel, i wonder if that could be it, and if why after 5k, all of a sudden it would slip like crazy one day.

keisur · 11-15-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northfacer581

i didnt ask. once he told me they couldnt do anything, i basically hung up. if i remember correctly when they last installed, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 1500. i could be way off. i have yet to call 4wheelparts..

I was talking about the 4wheelparts clutch install. let us know the price on that when you get it. I know that when I priced it at the dealership they told me $1200+ and I talked them down to just under $1000. If he'd a told me $1500 I would have hung up too, haha.

I'm a soccer player, er wuz in highschool and college, and my knees are trashed so I don't think they'd like me much if I stepped up to a stiffer clutch. haha.

keisur · 11-15-2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northfacer581

will do. ive only had the clutch smoke on me one time, and that was this summer when i was wheeling. other than that, ive never smelled my clutch.

i will try to go in with my dad, but he has a very busy work schedule. i wonder what they did/could have done wrong?

For the record, I smoked my clutch really good once pulling a Ford F250 out of the mud when I had 85k miles on it, then I smoked it 2 other times doing some stupid stuff on the trails after 100k miles. I just recently replaced my clutch at about 125k miles but I wheel and have lower gears and bigger tires so mine wasn't going to last to 200k as it started slipping at 120k. But only smoking it once shouldn't have caused it to fail like it has, unless you didn't let it cool after the smoke and just tried to power through it after you saw smoke.

Another thing to consider, unless you checked for oil around the bottom of the bell, is maybe the rear main seal is leaking oil and that somehow got on the clutch and is causing the slippage. Maybe they got grease on it when they installed it. either way, your mods shouldn't have anything to do with the clutch unless you put bigger tires on or lowered your gears so don't let them blame it on that.

northfacer581 · 11-15-2005, 06:06 PM

i havent changed anything to the 4runner since the clutch was installed, except a rear locker.

the time im talking that i smoked the clutch, first it scared the crap out of me, then i smelled wat it was, i let it sit for over an hour.

keisur · 11-15-2005, 06:54 PM

yea, that shouldn't be the cause then.

I'm not saying any changes AFTER the clutch install, I was saying if you are running bigger than stock tires and/or lower than stock gears (whether installed before or after the new clutch) then they could use that as an excuse, but a cheap one. It sounds like you are still running stock sized tires and gears so they really have no basis for saying the mods are the cause since you have changed any driveline stuff besides the locker, which doesn't put any more stress on the clutch than open diff does.

northfacer581 · 11-15-2005, 07:02 PM

well i have 33's, but stock gearing.

DamiJab · 11-15-2005, 08:50 PM

First thing to do is find a new dealer. They should repair the new clutch that the other dealer put in. Also never take it back to the dealer that you are using now.

11-13-2005, 06:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
keisur Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,376	Shouldn't the dealership replace it or adjust it for you since it's only been 5k miles? I've always thought they have a guaranty on their work. __________________ Front: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Rear: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Lift: Suspension - F: Sway-A-Way Coilovers; R: OME Coils/Shocks Body - 2" HDPE Pucks w/ higher strength bolts Recovery: TJM T15 Bull Bumper w/ Warn M8000 Winch Lighting: Lightforce Striker 170's Multimedia: Kenwood DNX5120 DVD/GPS/USB/iPod/SAT Sound: Focal 165A1 Component Front w/ Focal 130CA1 Rear Infiniti Kappa Perfect 10.1 Sub 500W RMS amp for fronts and rears; 500W RMS amp for sub Power: Optima Blue Top 1400 Watt Power Inverter

11-13-2005, 06:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	i sure hope so...im going up there tommorrow. its funny, everytime i go up there, they tell me the same reason for why anything is wrong, even if it was their own mistake... trust worthy toyota mechanic: "well it looks like that leak we fixed last time is back" me: "o, thats funny, i was in here one week ago, and ive driven to and from school since then" trust worthy toyota mechanic: "i believe its due to all these modifications you have done to this 4runner, you should really keep this thing modification free, it runs much better that way" me: "so youre going to make me pay for this, even though im positive theres nothing i could have done to it, and that it was due to your error?" trust worthy toyota mechanic: "that is correct" __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-13-2005, 06:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	ive thought about it...im just really bad with that kind of do it yourself...im more of an electrical/audio kind of guy. i can wire up anything complete with all doo dads and whatnot, but engine/transmission type of stuff, im about as useful as my girlfriend. i just guess i need more time and practice, im only 17...but i really want it done this week because im going to uwharrie (really the only place in nc to wheel) this weekend. anyone up for helping/doing most of the work haha? __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-13-2005, 06:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,377	Never replaced a clutch, but I'll be down there at my folks next week if you need a hand. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

11-13-2005, 07:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	preciate it, ill update as soon as i visit dealership tommorrow. __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-13-2005, 06:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
jimbo74 Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nor*Cal Posts: 6,582	have you thought of attempting it yourself? its not that hard... i beleive a few members here helped keggo replace his clutch recently

11-14-2005, 05:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
keisur Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,376	me and beaux replaced my clutch last march and it's still going strong. I could have done it myself but the extra pair of eyes for aligning the tranny to mate back up to the engine was very helpful. So it's doable. Wild Bill did it himself too. What kind of leak do you have (reoccuring) northface? I've had real leak problems with my rear wheel seals, both sides I've had replaced 3 or so times at the dealership and finally did it myself and stopped the leaks. __________________ Front: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Rear: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Lift: Suspension - F: Sway-A-Way Coilovers; R: OME Coils/Shocks Body - 2" HDPE Pucks w/ higher strength bolts Recovery: TJM T15 Bull Bumper w/ Warn M8000 Winch Lighting: Lightforce Striker 170's Multimedia: Kenwood DNX5120 DVD/GPS/USB/iPod/SAT Sound: Focal 165A1 Component Front w/ Focal 130CA1 Rear Infiniti Kappa Perfect 10.1 Sub 500W RMS amp for fronts and rears; 500W RMS amp for sub Power: Optima Blue Top 1400 Watt Power Inverter

11-14-2005, 06:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	the leaks were coming from the transfer case. the dealership did fix it the second time though. looks like im going to get the centerforce dual friction clutch. i am going to have 4wheelparts install it. i would love to hear everyones first thoughts after reading that previous sentence. however the reason i chose this is because they are an authorized dealer and the install comes with a warranty. this is key. i talked with the toyota place today-basically they said theyll look at it for a fee, and most likely wouldnt replace anything, fix anything, for free, no matter what they see when they open. im not going back there. ever. __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-14-2005, 09:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
keisur Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,376	I wouldn't go back there ever either. That is one of the reasons I stopped going to the dealer to have work done after the warranty was up, that and the shoddy workmanship left me with a non-trusting feeling towards toyota "techs" as they claim themselves as. The dual force is a good choice in my opinion. I went oem from the stealership (parts only) and did the install in my garage. but I only went with the oem because of the money I had at the time. had I had the money for the dual friction centerforce then, I would have gotten it instead. I believe the pedal will be a little, maybe alot, stiffer than it is now so if you have bad knees as I do, be aware. Other than that I think it's a good choice. PS> for future referrence for my own info for later when I need a new clutch, what did they quote you for the parts and install? __________________ Front: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Rear: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Lift: Suspension - F: Sway-A-Way Coilovers; R: OME Coils/Shocks Body - 2" HDPE Pucks w/ higher strength bolts Recovery: TJM T15 Bull Bumper w/ Warn M8000 Winch Lighting: Lightforce Striker 170's Multimedia: Kenwood DNX5120 DVD/GPS/USB/iPod/SAT Sound: Focal 165A1 Component Front w/ Focal 130CA1 Rear Infiniti Kappa Perfect 10.1 Sub 500W RMS amp for fronts and rears; 500W RMS amp for sub Power: Optima Blue Top 1400 Watt Power Inverter Last edited by keisur; 11-14-2005 at 09:07 PM.

11-15-2005, 09:26 AM	#11 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	i didnt ask. once he told me they couldnt do anything, i basically hung up. if i remember correctly when they last installed, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 1500. i could be way off. i have yet to call 4wheelparts. as for the stiffness, i do have one advantage. im 17 and right now it seems whatever i do i still have plenty of energy or whatever. however im a soccer player, so i have targets on my knees. hopefully the stiffness wont bother me too much. __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-15-2005, 11:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	Dude, I think you gave up way too early on the dealer. Over the phone they will do anything they can to get out of warranty work. This is just ridiculous. Get an adult, like your dad, to go in there with you and have a constructive discussion with the service manager. Know exactly what you want out of this, and be prepared to demand it. Document everything and take this right up the chain of command. 5K miles, unless you did smokey clutch-burning 1st gear launches all the time, shouldn't be anywhere close to the clutch slipping. Pursue this, seriously. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

11-15-2005, 11:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
Glenn Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ELN Posts: 1,651	^^^ What he said. My clutch has lasted well over 100K miles. I have seen the stock Toyota clutches go for 200K or more. __________________ -Glenn-

11-15-2005, 01:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	will do. ive only had the clutch smoke on me one time, and that was this summer when i was wheeling. other than that, ive never smelled my clutch. i will try to go in with my dad, but he has a very busy work schedule. i wonder what they did/could have done wrong? __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-15-2005, 01:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
garrett1478 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 0	not used a new clutch?? maybe?

11-15-2005, 04:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	haha. if that is true, i dont even know what to say. i hope whenever i can get up there it goes smoothly. someone mentioned sometimes they dont resurface the flywheel, i wonder if that could be it, and if why after 5k, all of a sudden it would slip like crazy one day. __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

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11-15-2005, 06:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	i havent changed anything to the 4runner since the clutch was installed, except a rear locker. the time im talking that i smoked the clutch, first it scared the crap out of me, then i smelled wat it was, i let it sit for over an hour. __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-15-2005, 06:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
keisur Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,376	yea, that shouldn't be the cause then. I'm not saying any changes AFTER the clutch install, I was saying if you are running bigger than stock tires and/or lower than stock gears (whether installed before or after the new clutch) then they could use that as an excuse, but a cheap one. It sounds like you are still running stock sized tires and gears so they really have no basis for saying the mods are the cause since you have changed any driveline stuff besides the locker, which doesn't put any more stress on the clutch than open diff does. __________________ Front: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Rear: 4.88's w/ ARB Locker Lift: Suspension - F: Sway-A-Way Coilovers; R: OME Coils/Shocks Body - 2" HDPE Pucks w/ higher strength bolts Recovery: TJM T15 Bull Bumper w/ Warn M8000 Winch Lighting: Lightforce Striker 170's Multimedia: Kenwood DNX5120 DVD/GPS/USB/iPod/SAT Sound: Focal 165A1 Component Front w/ Focal 130CA1 Rear Infiniti Kappa Perfect 10.1 Sub 500W RMS amp for fronts and rears; 500W RMS amp for sub Power: Optima Blue Top 1400 Watt Power Inverter

11-15-2005, 07:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
northfacer581 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ASU in Boone....Charlotte is hometown Posts: 994	well i have 33's, but stock gearing. __________________ -Andy 99 4runner 5speed Lift: 3" revtek & 2" body; swaybar discos; diff drop Performance: TRD s/c & 7th injector kit, deckplate closed, elbow removed, TMC 1.1, lock-rite in rear Protection: tjm15 w/ tabor 9k, custom sliders Shoes: 305/70/16 nitto terra graps on 16x8 helo maxx 6's Stuff: lots of lights on the surco, yakima big powderhound right now, shackle hangers, sony head unit, aux fuse box, full time power outlets, seat covers, and home of the herculiner mod

11-15-2005, 08:50 PM	#22 (permalink)
DamiJab Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Littleton CO Posts: 2	First thing to do is find a new dealer. They should repair the new clutch that the other dealer put in. Also never take it back to the dealer that you are using now.

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