Try and Keep 4link or do leaf swap??

4Runner92sr5 · 08-11-2007, 09:02 AM

as titled im in a debate whether or not to do a leaf swap in the rear or buy the all pro lower and upper links. I know i can fabricate extensions on the axle to make the upper link angle a lot less severe so it won't hit the gas tank. But its gonna be about the same amount to do either of them. What are the pros and cons of this am i going to lose stability on road with all leaves and what are the differences offroad from coil in the rear to leaf in the rear?? thanks ahead of time.

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Blizzard · 08-11-2007, 09:17 AM

I'm not an expert but I've decide to go leaves in all corners when I do my SAS.

I think leaves are easier, and will be simillar manners to the front, I have the impression than having coils in the rear and leaves in the front would make my truck more tippy when offroading. Also, if you buy the upper and lower links you're almost spending what a leaves kit cost...

David

4Runner92sr5 · 08-11-2007, 10:47 AM

yeah thats exactly what i was thinking i think ill be savin my nickels and dimes for the rear leaf swap hahaha

Wheelingnoob · 08-13-2007, 12:20 PM

When I do my SAS I will be putting in 63" chev leafs, to upgrade the coil set up will cost me 3x as much.

Jeremy

4Runner92sr5 · 08-13-2007, 07:09 PM

no it won't be 3x as much cuz the all pro links are 500 for all 4 and that takes care of MOST of the problem then im fabricating extenders for my upper link mounts on my axle to make the angle almost parallel with the ground and that takes care of it for around the same as the leaf swap.

Elvota · 08-13-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Runner92sr5

no it won't be 3x as much cuz the all pro links are 500 for all 4 and that takes care of MOST of the problem then im fabricating extenders for my upper link mounts on my axle to make the angle almost parallel with the ground and that takes care of it for around the same as the leaf swap.

Didn't you forget about the price of your springs? Assuming you are going to try and gain more travel with long travel coil overs or similiar. I think links will cost more in the long run, but if done right they are probably well worth it if you plan is to really hit some aggressive trails.

But then again, what are your thoughts as to where to stuff such long springs under the back of your 4Runner? You might find that overall wheel travel is similiar between leafs and coils on a 4Runner unless you are prepared to move the coils through the bed. Links have other benefits as well though, so I can see why you are looking into them.

I wouldn't mind trying to link mine one day, but you have to be pretty much spot on with the geometry to get the ride characteristics and handling to work well. Leaves are hard to mess up. I'd be interested to learn how you are getting around some of the link complications on your 4Runner... should you go that route.

User "Flygtenstein" has a rear linked 2nd Gen if you are still looking for design ideas.

Marc P · 08-13-2007, 11:38 PM

I have kept my stock configuration for now.....but..

I have the All-Pro upper links, adjustable panhard bar, panhard drop bracket, high angle driveline, OME 860's, and adjustable Procomp shocks..

Everything I have in the back was bought used or free. If I was starting from scratch I would probably go with leaves.

4Runner92sr5 · 08-14-2007, 09:52 AM

yeah i keep lookin at my 4link and its just too much of a hassle to try to get it right when i can just do a leaf swap and be done with it...Ill be doing a 5" leaf swap and while im back there ill do a rear disc brake conversion as well..

4Runner92sr5 · 08-18-2007, 09:08 AM

hey all im looking at the rear leaf swap kit and it doesn't have upper shock mounts just wondering where and how everybody mounted their shocks thanks for the help pictures would be ideal...

Elvota · 08-18-2007, 01:41 PM

I got a hanger kit from Sky Manufacturing originally. Runs $60 and welds between the rear frame rails.

However, the shocks sit like this / \ which seems to reduce their performance. I just finished making my own cross bar to allow my shocks to sit like this ||.

Was cheaper and really made a difference with body roll and general axle control.

4RunnerKid · 08-18-2007, 06:25 PM

mine are | | also: http://www.yotatech.com/50535160-post133.html

Blizzard · 08-19-2007, 02:25 AM

Mike, did you custom made that upper supports?

David

4RunnerKid · 08-19-2007, 10:33 AM

yeah, fabbed them up myself

AlphaOffRoad · 08-23-2007, 08:49 AM

The link/leaf debate comes down to a few things IMO.
-Budget - leafs will be much less, figure 2X [min.] for coils/coilovers
-Fabrication skills - Can you weld? Like fabricating? Again, coils will be more work
-Performance - Links will flex better, period. But they are less stable in some situations, and are not as predicatable as leafs...

AOR is going to be looking at building a Ftoy in the next year, and even if I had the choice to link it, I would still keep leafs. Just my $.03

08-11-2007, 09:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
Blizzard Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 912	I'm not an expert but I've decide to go leaves in all corners when I do my SAS. I think leaves are easier, and will be simillar manners to the front, I have the impression than having coils in the rear and leaves in the front would make my truck more tippy when offroading. Also, if you buy the upper and lower links you're almost spending what a leaves kit cost... David __________________ '94 Toyota 4Runner 3.0 Turbo Diesel Intercooler Auto – Trail-Gear 4'' SAS front, Trail-Gear 5'' rear leaves swap, 35's, FR&RR E-Lockers and too many things more to write...

08-11-2007, 10:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	yeah thats exactly what i was thinking i think ill be savin my nickels and dimes for the rear leaf swap hahaha __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

08-13-2007, 07:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	no it won't be 3x as much cuz the all pro links are 500 for all 4 and that takes care of MOST of the problem then im fabricating extenders for my upper link mounts on my axle to make the angle almost parallel with the ground and that takes care of it for around the same as the leaf swap. __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

08-13-2007, 11:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Marc P Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Santee, CA Posts: 2,736	I have kept my stock configuration for now.....but.. I have the All-Pro upper links, adjustable panhard bar, panhard drop bracket, high angle driveline, OME 860's, and adjustable Procomp shocks.. Everything I have in the back was bought used or free. If I was starting from scratch I would probably go with leaves. __________________ 1995 4Runner---SAS with goodies

08-14-2007, 09:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	yeah i keep lookin at my 4link and its just too much of a hassle to try to get it right when i can just do a leaf swap and be done with it...Ill be doing a 5" leaf swap and while im back there ill do a rear disc brake conversion as well.. __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

08-13-2007, 12:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wheelingnoob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 267	When I do my SAS I will be putting in 63" chev leafs, to upgrade the coil set up will cost me 3x as much. Jeremy

08-18-2007, 09:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	hey all im looking at the rear leaf swap kit and it doesn't have upper shock mounts just wondering where and how everybody mounted their shocks thanks for the help pictures would be ideal... __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

08-18-2007, 01:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	I got a hanger kit from Sky Manufacturing originally. Runs $60 and welds between the rear frame rails. However, the shocks sit like this / \ which seems to reduce their performance. I just finished making my own cross bar to allow my shocks to sit like this \|\|. Was cheaper and really made a difference with body roll and general axle control. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

08-18-2007, 06:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
4RunnerKid Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sac + SLO, CA Posts: 1,033	mine are \| \| also: http://www.yotatech.com/50535160-post133.html __________________ -Mikey- 1993 4Runner ~ TG HD/RUF front \| All Pro rear \| 37" Krawlers \| Marlin UM06s \| 12" King 2.5s \| 2" air bumps \| 12" Fox 2.0s \| Aussie front \| Lock-Right rear \| 5-speed swap \| TG 4.7s \| 5.29s \| 4xInnovations cage \| bumpers \| sliders \| t-case skid \| K&N intake \| Flowmaster 40 \| Optima red top \| clear lenses \| PIAA 1400s \| LED rock lights \| PIAA superwhites \| stereo Polygoats 4-Wheel Drive Club Poly Performance

08-19-2007, 02:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
Blizzard Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 912	Mike, did you custom made that upper supports? David __________________ '94 Toyota 4Runner 3.0 Turbo Diesel Intercooler Auto – Trail-Gear 4'' SAS front, Trail-Gear 5'' rear leaves swap, 35's, FR&RR E-Lockers and too many things more to write...

08-19-2007, 10:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
4RunnerKid Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sac + SLO, CA Posts: 1,033	yeah, fabbed them up myself __________________ -Mikey- 1993 4Runner ~ TG HD/RUF front \| All Pro rear \| 37" Krawlers \| Marlin UM06s \| 12" King 2.5s \| 2" air bumps \| 12" Fox 2.0s \| Aussie front \| Lock-Right rear \| 5-speed swap \| TG 4.7s \| 5.29s \| 4xInnovations cage \| bumpers \| sliders \| t-case skid \| K&N intake \| Flowmaster 40 \| Optima red top \| clear lenses \| PIAA 1400s \| LED rock lights \| PIAA superwhites \| stereo Polygoats 4-Wheel Drive Club Poly Performance

08-23-2007, 08:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
AlphaOffRoad Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the '307' Posts: 22	The link/leaf debate comes down to a few things IMO. -Budget - leafs will be much less, figure 2X [min.] for coils/coilovers -Fabrication skills - Can you weld? Like fabricating? Again, coils will be more work -Performance - Links will flex better, period. But they are less stable in some situations, and are not as predicatable as leafs... AOR is going to be looking at building a Ftoy in the next year, and even if I had the choice to link it, I would still keep leafs. Just my $.03 __________________ -WILL@AlphaOffroad www.ALPHAOFFROAD.COM (307)-630-0856 Alpha OffRoad Inc. - 'The Dominant Source for Hardcore Off-Road Parts' www.ALPHAOFFROAD.com

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