Starting the process of the SAS...

4Runner92sr5 · 06-26-2007, 07:04 PM

well boys and girls the wheels are in motion im going to check out this 85 front axle tomorrow the guy wants 350 but im offering him 250 cash but if that doesn't bite im goin down and pickin up a 81' front axle for 200 on friday. Just wanted to get this thread goin cuz ill be goin through the whole process of rebuilding the axle and doing the SAS and getting all the parts. wish me luck as i venture into the darkside haha pics will be up on friday of the axle and within the next weeks ill regear it from 4.10 to 4.88. I plan to do the trail gear kit and maintain the 33's for now since i just bought them then when they wear out get the lift for the 35's.

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Kaleb · 06-26-2007, 07:47 PM

Good luck man. It is a fun project, and a worth while one as well.

**waskillywabbit** · 06-26-2007, 07:50 PM

We have everything you need for a SAS...check out our website.

V8pickup · 06-26-2007, 08:00 PM

Nice web site wabbit

4Runner92sr5 · 06-26-2007, 08:25 PM

thats virtually the same kit offered by trail gear isn't?? ill keep in touch with you once i have that money saved up but it won't be for awhile.

**waskillywabbit** · 06-27-2007, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Runner92sr5

thats virtually the same kit offered by trail gear isn't?? ill keep in touch with you once i have that money saved up but it won't be for awhile.

We sell and install products from many vendors, including TG.

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 08:13 AM

oh ok good deal bro we will deff be in touch later on when i have the money for all of it

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 01:13 PM

ok this guy is selling an 85 front axle for 350 but its been on the market for 2 weeks so if show him 260 cash i think he'll bite but isn't 350 way too overpriced for a stock front axle. Im goin down on friday to see an 81 front axle but i heard the 85's are better gusseted so it worth the extra money??

AxleIke · 06-27-2007, 01:39 PM

Putting in longs?

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 02:22 PM

no ill be running the stock axles since ill be running this SAS with 33's for awhile cuz i just bought them once i move up to 35's or 37's ill start thinking about it or should i just do longs anyway?

44Runner · 06-27-2007, 02:46 PM

depends. I would go longs right out of the gate, but that's me. I like to have the piece of mind...

ORS · 06-27-2007, 04:03 PM

If you plan on adding a front locker you will need the longs, otherwise with 33's you should be fine with the stock units for the time being. If you can afford it I would do it right the first time and get the longs and hub gears, along with a full rebuild.

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 04:13 PM

yeah thats a good idea ill look into it but i mean its goin to be the same lift except coils that UKmeyers did with accomadates 35's and 37's so i misewell do the longs now that way when i where out the 33's and go up to 35's ill have that piece of mind. 645 dollars is a lot i think im gonna do it once i get ready for 35's cuz im running on a budget. The stock birfields can't be that weak can they??

AxleIke · 06-27-2007, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Runner92sr5

yeah thats a good idea ill look into it but i mean its goin to be the same lift except coils that UKmeyers did with accomadates 35's and 37's so i misewell do the longs now that way when i where out the 33's and go up to 35's ill have that piece of mind. 645 dollars is a lot i think im gonna do it once i get ready for 35's cuz im running on a budget. The stock birfields can't be that weak can they??

There are members here who've busted them with 33's and a locker. Open, you'll probably be okay.

Don't know how much i believe it, but some hold that the stock birfs are actually weaker than the CV's on IFS axles. From what i've seen, they are roughly the same strength.

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 05:13 PM

yeah im gonna leave it open since i have a locker in the rear already so the stocker birfields should be fine i hope now im goin to pick up an 81 axle is that gonna be fine are they any different than the 84 and 85's??

AxleIke · 06-27-2007, 05:27 PM

you'll need to get a truss for it

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 05:32 PM

yeah that comes wtih the trail gear kit good deal ill have pics of it up on friday

4Runner92sr5 · 06-27-2007, 09:48 PM

is the birfield eliminator kit from marlin crawler worth it because it replaces the birfields with dana 44 u joints anyone have any experience with this kit???

GA854R · 06-28-2007, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Runner92sr5

is the birfield eliminator kit from marlin crawler worth it because it replaces the birfields with dana 44 u joints anyone have any experience with this kit???

Eliminator Kits are junk man.. You will break them as they neck down to fit through the factory axle seal. Just buy the 30 spline longs and Hub gears from the go. It's nice knowing that you will never have to go back in there unless you break a Ring and Pinion.

NCSU-4runner · 06-28-2007, 12:07 PM

He just came and helped me tear my front axle down and install the HP 5.29/ARB and 30 spliners so at least he knows what he's doing now. I would suggest since the budget is so slim keep the 33s and open diff front this year, then next year try to save up for the upgrades. Nothing wrong with doing it in steps when on a tight budget. I've had my SAS for 4 years and just now but ANY gears or shafts in it and I'm still a cool guy right ?

I have a good excuse though b/c the truck was immobile for 3.5 of those 4 years so there was no motivation to spend the $$$ till now.

4Runner92sr5 · 06-28-2007, 12:24 PM

hahaha yeah breaking down your axle today was fun man it will be close to the same thing as to what im doin and your exactly right doing it in steps is cool theres nothin wrong my middle finger still hurts like a biatch from diff slipping but eh oh well good times i can't wait to get this SAS started!!!

westy44runner · 06-28-2007, 12:36 PM

I ran 35s and no front locker for several years on stock birfields. Never had any problems. Wait until you get a front locker, then put Longfields in.

The most important part of a stock Toy axle housing to be trussed is the outter balls, where they connect to the housing. Trail Gear has a good truss for this.

BTW - Even the more affordable, 27 spline Longfields are very strong.

4Runner92sr5 · 06-28-2007, 01:30 PM

yeah thats another thing to think about i forgot about that good call but im goin down tonight at 630 to check out this 85 axle if its straight it'll be at my house and ill have pics tonight im excited as hell right now hahaha

4Runner92sr5 · 06-28-2007, 11:10 PM

ok here some pics of the 85 axle so far i have the tie rod off and the cover of the aisin hubs but those flippin hubs aren't budgin one bit ive tried every technique that ive searched: hitting the stuff with a drift, hitting hte cone washer with flat head screw driver. Im damaging the washer and yet the cone washers aren't moving i dont' get it and its really pissing me off now after 4 hours of trying everything can anybody shed any light on this????

NCSU-4runner · 06-29-2007, 04:42 AM

Hit it harder !

Don't be too concerned with dinging the housing. You won't hurt it if you hit it in the right place. That rubber hammer is a little weanie excuse for a hammer. Get a bigger one. If it still isn't coming off get a brass punch and a sledge and you can really wail on it.

you could try some of that rusted/corroded bolt loosening stuff, the name escapes me but someone else will remember. If I was at the auto parts store I'd know it when i saw it !

06-26-2007, 07:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kaleb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oregon City, OR Posts: 635	Good luck man. It is a fun project, and a worth while one as well. __________________ MY BUILD

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06-26-2007, 08:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	thats virtually the same kit offered by trail gear isn't?? ill keep in touch with you once i have that money saved up but it won't be for awhile. __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-27-2007, 08:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	oh ok good deal bro we will deff be in touch later on when i have the money for all of it __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-27-2007, 01:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	ok this guy is selling an 85 front axle for 350 but its been on the market for 2 weeks so if show him 260 cash i think he'll bite but isn't 350 way too overpriced for a stock front axle. Im goin down on friday to see an 81 front axle but i heard the 85's are better gusseted so it worth the extra money?? __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-27-2007, 01:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,887	Putting in longs? __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

06-27-2007, 02:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	no ill be running the stock axles since ill be running this SAS with 33's for awhile cuz i just bought them once i move up to 35's or 37's ill start thinking about it or should i just do longs anyway? __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-27-2007, 02:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
44Runner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mount Pleasant, SC Posts: 993	depends. I would go longs right out of the gate, but that's me. I like to have the piece of mind... __________________ Buggy in progress - 22RE on pane, A340, 4.7, 8"s, 4Ds 1989 4Runner 3.slow 5spd and big plans... 2005 Ram 2500 4x4 CTD 6spd QC SWB

06-27-2007, 04:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
ORS Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 176	If you plan on adding a front locker you will need the longs, otherwise with 33's you should be fine with the stock units for the time being. If you can afford it I would do it right the first time and get the longs and hub gears, along with a full rebuild. __________________ Off Road Solutions Arvada, CO 303-278-6267 www.offroadsolutions.com Offering offroad products, engine conversions & custom fab work for your Toyota (& much more...)

06-27-2007, 04:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	yeah thats a good idea ill look into it but i mean its goin to be the same lift except coils that UKmeyers did with accomadates 35's and 37's so i misewell do the longs now that way when i where out the 33's and go up to 35's ill have that piece of mind. 645 dollars is a lot i think im gonna do it once i get ready for 35's cuz im running on a budget. The stock birfields can't be that weak can they?? __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/ Last edited by 4Runner92sr5; 06-27-2007 at 04:16 PM.

06-27-2007, 05:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	yeah im gonna leave it open since i have a locker in the rear already so the stocker birfields should be fine i hope now im goin to pick up an 81 axle is that gonna be fine are they any different than the 84 and 85's?? __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-27-2007, 05:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,887	you'll need to get a truss for it __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

06-27-2007, 05:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	yeah that comes wtih the trail gear kit good deal ill have pics of it up on friday __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-27-2007, 09:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	is the birfield eliminator kit from marlin crawler worth it because it replaces the birfields with dana 44 u joints anyone have any experience with this kit??? __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-28-2007, 12:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
NCSU-4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 1,597	He just came and helped me tear my front axle down and install the HP 5.29/ARB and 30 spliners so at least he knows what he's doing now. I would suggest since the budget is so slim keep the 33s and open diff front this year, then next year try to save up for the upgrades. Nothing wrong with doing it in steps when on a tight budget. I've had my SAS for 4 years and just now but ANY gears or shafts in it and I'm still a cool guy right ? I have a good excuse though b/c the truck was immobile for 3.5 of those 4 years so there was no motivation to spend the $$$ till now. __________________ Jeremy, 94 4Runner Turbo Leaf Spring SAS front - Coilover 4link rear (starts December) / Supra Swap My Truck is featured on Supracharged.com - Home of the original Supra swap and Forum One of two things will happen, I will die, or the truck will be finished. I'm not sure which will be first.

06-28-2007, 12:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	hahaha yeah breaking down your axle today was fun man it will be close to the same thing as to what im doin and your exactly right doing it in steps is cool theres nothin wrong my middle finger still hurts like a biatch from diff slipping but eh oh well good times i can't wait to get this SAS started!!! __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-28-2007, 12:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
westy44runner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 967	I ran 35s and no front locker for several years on stock birfields. Never had any problems. Wait until you get a front locker, then put Longfields in. The most important part of a stock Toy axle housing to be trussed is the outter balls, where they connect to the housing. Trail Gear has a good truss for this. BTW - Even the more affordable, 27 spline Longfields are very strong. __________________ '86 Toy Flatbed with a few modifications

06-28-2007, 01:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	yeah thats another thing to think about i forgot about that good call but im goin down tonight at 630 to check out this 85 axle if its straight it'll be at my house and ill have pics tonight im excited as hell right now hahaha __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-28-2007, 11:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
4Runner92sr5 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holly Springs, North Carolina Posts: 340	Damn Hubs!!! ok here some pics of the 85 axle so far i have the tie rod off and the cover of the aisin hubs but those flippin hubs aren't budgin one bit ive tried every technique that ive searched: hitting the stuff with a drift, hitting hte cone washer with flat head screw driver. Im damaging the washer and yet the cone washers aren't moving i dont' get it and its really pissing me off now after 4 hours of trying everything can anybody shed any light on this???? __________________ "doing a body lift is like sleeping with a blow up doll, it might make you feel better for now, but it just doesn't feel right in the morning" 1992 4Runner Auto 3.0 135K SASed Free Flow (no cat) Flowmaster 40 exhaust 33x12.5 BFG Mud Terrains Marlin Crawler Rear Bumper All Pro Front Bumper 1984 Front Axle TG SAS kit 4'' w/ bilstein 5150's OME 863 coils ProComp 4" Panhard drop bracket My SAS Thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/startin...ss-sas-118997/

06-29-2007, 04:42 AM	#25 (permalink)
NCSU-4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 1,597	Hit it harder ! Don't be too concerned with dinging the housing. You won't hurt it if you hit it in the right place. That rubber hammer is a little weanie excuse for a hammer. Get a bigger one. If it still isn't coming off get a brass punch and a sledge and you can really wail on it. you could try some of that rusted/corroded bolt loosening stuff, the name escapes me but someone else will remember. If I was at the auto parts store I'd know it when i saw it ! __________________ Jeremy, 94 4Runner Turbo Leaf Spring SAS front - Coilover 4link rear (starts December) / Supra Swap My Truck is featured on Supracharged.com - Home of the original Supra swap and Forum One of two things will happen, I will die, or the truck will be finished. I'm not sure which will be first. Last edited by NCSU-4runner; 06-29-2007 at 04:44 AM.

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