sas pregame . . . . ASCO?

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 05:46 PM

so i got an axle its anywhere from 79 to 84 i think, no lower truss. Hub to hub and all for 150

hell yes, going rate up here is round 250-300.

the only thing is it has asco hubs? is this just a brother company i have never seen before or what?

but anyway i have it down to just the housing and now its time for the grinding and welding of parts ;P hel yes!!!!

pics will be up soon.

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**waskillywabbit** · 03-22-2009, 06:18 PM

No lower truss is 79-80 more than likely. ASCO same as Aisin. You will have to replace the outers on the axle to use most mainstream SAS kits though.

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 07:38 PM

now im looking for a way to truss the bottom of the axle, any other ideas other than buying a top truss and cutting it down a bit?

**waskillywabbit** · 03-22-2009, 07:44 PM

Top truss is too big/wide for the bottom. I wouldn't sweat the bottom truss...you will have a bit more clearance and unless you are going extreme/hard core, it won't be an issue.

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 07:51 PM

well i was thinking maybe just take a section of pipe to match the od of the axle housing and just welding that on the long side of the bottom of the axle for a littke extra something ya know

904_runner · 03-22-2009, 07:54 PM

Like wabbit, said..

it shouldn't be a problem without it..
If anything you will have a little more clearance than anything else.

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 07:57 PM

ok, second question, my ifs is locked with a tru track locker and i love the front rear lockers. When i do the sas any opinions on the locker i should put in the front? air locker, e locker, what?

**waskillywabbit** · 03-22-2009, 07:59 PM

Selectable in the front.
Whatever in the rear.

904_runner · 03-22-2009, 08:00 PM

That would be the way to go.

What kind of terrain do you wheel?
I have a lockright in the rear and a detroit ezlocker in the front and i like that combo...
I haven't been to the rocks yet with it, but everywhere else i haven't had a problem..

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 08:01 PM

tru track in rear as of now, love it! any reason for e locker or air? or is it just personal pref kinda thing

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 08:02 PM

well its new england, rocks, slick rocks and during the thaw. . . . muddy slick rocks lol but its my DD as well

904_runner · 03-22-2009, 08:03 PM

well the selectable lockers you can choose whether or not they are locked.

With a locked front turning is worse than open diffs. So with a selectable you can control when it is locked or not, so it doesn't affect your steering when unlocked.

With a traditional locker in the front your stuck with the bad turning characteristics.

**waskillywabbit** · 03-22-2009, 08:04 PM

I prefer ARBs myself but I've welded up a couple rears in other stuff.

Personally, retrofitting an elocker looks like a PITA and for the $$$ get an ARB.

ARB is all about the install too...so make sure to have a reputable person do it or just by a built 3rd....it's what I do for gears/lockers...then sell off my other one to recoup some cash. Comes out cheaper that way in the long run.

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 08:04 PM

thats why i want the selectable lol but whats the word on the street as far as whats better air or elocker

Eric8889 · 03-22-2009, 08:06 PM

well my buddy vinny knows a tech thats all about third's so he's prob gonna lend a hand before our treck cross country . . . .like ma to ca lol

LTrunner · 03-23-2009, 05:00 PM

this will be interesting

Eric8889 · 03-27-2009, 05:29 PM

so for my front third i was thinking of a v6 diff, but they are kinda hard to come by. should i just build a 4cyl diff and keep an extra on stand by just because they are a dime a dozen???

03-22-2009, 06:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,546	No lower truss is 79-80 more than likely. ASCO same as Aisin. You will have to replace the outers on the axle to use most mainstream SAS kits though. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

03-22-2009, 07:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	now im looking for a way to truss the bottom of the axle, any other ideas other than buying a top truss and cutting it down a bit? __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-22-2009, 07:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,546	Top truss is too big/wide for the bottom. I wouldn't sweat the bottom truss...you will have a bit more clearance and unless you are going extreme/hard core, it won't be an issue. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

03-22-2009, 07:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	well i was thinking maybe just take a section of pipe to match the od of the axle housing and just welding that on the long side of the bottom of the axle for a littke extra something ya know __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-22-2009, 07:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,781	Like wabbit, said.. it shouldn't be a problem without it.. If anything you will have a little more clearance than anything else. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-22-2009, 07:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	ok, second question, my ifs is locked with a tru track locker and i love the front rear lockers. When i do the sas any opinions on the locker i should put in the front? air locker, e locker, what? __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-22-2009, 07:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,546	Selectable in the front. Whatever in the rear. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

03-22-2009, 08:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,781	That would be the way to go. What kind of terrain do you wheel? I have a lockright in the rear and a detroit ezlocker in the front and i like that combo... I haven't been to the rocks yet with it, but everywhere else i haven't had a problem.. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-22-2009, 08:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	tru track in rear as of now, love it! any reason for e locker or air? or is it just personal pref kinda thing __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-22-2009, 08:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	well its new england, rocks, slick rocks and during the thaw. . . . muddy slick rocks lol but its my DD as well __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-22-2009, 08:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,781	well the selectable lockers you can choose whether or not they are locked. With a locked front turning is worse than open diffs. So with a selectable you can control when it is locked or not, so it doesn't affect your steering when unlocked. With a traditional locker in the front your stuck with the bad turning characteristics. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-22-2009, 08:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,546	I prefer ARBs myself but I've welded up a couple rears in other stuff. Personally, retrofitting an elocker looks like a PITA and for the $$$ get an ARB. ARB is all about the install too...so make sure to have a reputable person do it or just by a built 3rd....it's what I do for gears/lockers...then sell off my other one to recoup some cash. Comes out cheaper that way in the long run. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

03-22-2009, 08:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	thats why i want the selectable lol but whats the word on the street as far as whats better air or elocker __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-22-2009, 08:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	well my buddy vinny knows a tech thats all about third's so he's prob gonna lend a hand before our treck cross country . . . .like ma to ca lol __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back

03-23-2009, 05:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
LTrunner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: spfld, MA Posts: 394	this will be interesting __________________ 1989 4runner 3.0L,5spd swaped,Marlin HD clucth,v6 to gear t-case,dual case x-member,chevy 63's,1" blocks,u-blot flip,shock trianglation,Marlin rear bumper,sliders,1"body lift,soft top,welded rear,steelies,33"BFG MTs,SAS frt w/ RUF--->http://www.yotatech.com/f116/my-very...runner-143762/ Destination...OFF ROAD

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03-27-2009, 05:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Eric8889 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ludlow, Ma Posts: 39	so for my front third i was thinking of a v6 diff, but they are kinda hard to come by. should i just build a 4cyl diff and keep an extra on stand by just because they are a dime a dozen??? __________________ Sick trucks don't just happen. . . you MAKE them happen! 1989 4Runner, 22re 5spd 205K, Locked front and rear, mt baja mtz 35's, u-bolt flip, shock /\, herculined tub, 57" ford custom leaf pack, flowmaster 40, 3.25" pipe cat back