Rage's SAS - Page 2

ScottyC · 03-14-2009, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 904_runner

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you mount the spring hanger forward 3/4"?

Hey i don't see any sawzalls!

Looks good so far!

He can't with the 3" springs. In fact, he needs to mount it 1/4" back of the front crossmember for a decent shackle angle and to have the tie rod and draglink clear each other on compression. Otherwise he'll be having to move the steering box forward.

I have all of these lifts down to a science at this point.
3" springs: 1/4" in back of the frame. Push the frame tube jig all the way forward in the body mount.
4" Springs 1/2" in front. Center the frame tube jib in the body mount
5" springs 3/4" in front. Center the frame tube jib in the body mount

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scuba · 03-14-2009, 08:38 AM

LOOKIN GOOD BRO !!

neoworm0 · 03-14-2009, 09:15 AM

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He can't with the 3" springs. In fact, he needs to mount it 1/4" back of the front crossmember for a decent shackle angle and to have the tie rod and draglink clear each other on compression. Otherwise he'll be having to move the steering box forward.

I had the same issue when I switched to the 3" springs. We mounted the spring hanger flush and then I just drilled new holes in the spring perches forward of the originals.

SAS is looking good. One thing I wanted to mention about the trail gear kit. It looks like your axle is done but if you used all the trail gear bearings in it I would consider changing them out for something of higher quality. Also if you are using the Trail gear high steer kit don't use the tie rod ends that came with it. At least if you do use them be prepared to be changing them in a month or two. Buy some 555 or something. You'll know when it's time when your truck tries to shake itself to pieces. LOL.

I also found that the spring and shackle bushings they suppy last a couple weeks. I think I read somewhere that they fixed that problem though.

They may have started supplying better bearings etc as well. I'm not sure.

Before all you Trail Gear groupies start going off, I'm not slagging the company. The kit is great but you get what you pay for. The consumables in that kit are cheap. Bearings, bushings etc. Save yourself some headaches down the road and toss in quality parts from the start and put the TG stuff in the trail spares box.

Enjoy the SAS! It was one of the best things I did to my truck.

904_runner · 03-14-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyC

He can't with the 3" springs.

Crap i forgot he was running a 3" kit. Thought he went with the 4" like i did..

Anyways..
Its still looking good! Looks like its moving along a lot faster than my rig did!

904_runner · 03-14-2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoworm0

SAS is looking good. One thing I wanted to mention about the trail gear kit. It looks like your axle is done but if you used all the trail gear bearings in it I would consider changing them out for something of higher quality. Also if you are using the Trail gear high steer kit don't use the tie rod ends that came with it. At least if you do use them be prepared to be changing them in a month or two. Buy some 555 or something. You'll know when it's time when your truck tries to shake itself to pieces. LOL.

We were discussing it before he started and i believe he used marlin bearings.

I also found that the spring and shackle bushings they suppy last a couple weeks. I think I read somewhere that they fixed that problem though.

That maybe true. Mine has lasted for the last 2-3months and i haven't had a problem yet.

They may have started supplying better bearings etc as well. I'm not sure.

Mine still say china on them, hence i went with the marlin kit

Before all you Trail Gear groupies start going off, I'm not slagging the company. The kit is great but you get what you pay for. The consumables in that kit are cheap. Bearings, bushings etc. Save yourself some headaches down the road and toss in quality parts from the start and put the TG stuff in the trail spares box.

That is exactly what i did, i believe Jeremy did too. Whats good about this is now we have spare parts for the trail, should anything happen.

Enjoy the SAS! It was one of the best things I did to my truck.

I couldn't agree more!

RaginYota · 03-14-2009, 09:12 PM

Mike-- I mounted it flush with the frame. Looks good I am about to post up the pics from today.

Yes I am using the marlins knuckle re-build kit w/ bearings

As far as the bushing and shackles, I am just gonna take it one day at a time. If they wear out then I will replace then with better quality stuff. I am extremely happy with the TG kit now. I am don't know what I will be saying in about a month or two, but like I said one day at time.
Thanks for the input about your TG issues, I will keep them in mind for future reference.

RaginYota · 03-14-2009, 09:34 PM

Another day done and tomorrow and we have about 4 hours of work left. We finished the front today and got the rear spring ready for welding.

1st thing this morning Rudy is finishing up the frame with the hole-saw and Zack starting laying the bead on the front hanger.

Here I am removing one support from the slider. It was causing probles with the hole-saw.

The front is complete

The back was still on jack stands

How sits tonight.

I will have completed pics tomorrow.

scuba · 03-14-2009, 09:40 PM

DDDDAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYMMMMMMMM

Quick freakin work on that beast!!

Looks great man..!!

TOYOTA 1 · 03-14-2009, 09:41 PM

looks good!

what size springs did you go with front and rear?

scuba · 03-14-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginYota

more to come tomorrow...

I see " TG-F3" and TG-R4" " Im guessing 3" front and 4" rear...

scuba · 03-14-2009, 09:47 PM

Oh, Can I have some Girl scout cookies..?

RaginYota · 03-14-2009, 10:05 PM

Scuba.. you are to much bro LMAO!!!!... and yes you are correct, 3" front and 4" rear. It should level out nice since the front 3" will actually provide 4" of lift, hopefully..

About the girl scout cookies..... you don't want any. The damn things are like crack.. My daughter was selling them and.... yeah.... 42 bucks later and extra 10 pounds that I don't need..... i still want them... friggin thin mints and shortbreads are gonna break me.

scuba · 03-14-2009, 10:09 PM

bhahah, thread jack : standing outside at work some little girl aske me to buy some, I couldnt refuse...
I just thought that was funny...

Like I said, Cant wait to see er finished !!

904_runner · 03-14-2009, 10:16 PM

hey man it looks sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ScottyC · 03-14-2009, 10:36 PM

FWIW, TG fixed all of their bushing issues around nine months ago.

The trunion bearings aren't as good IMO as the others, but in most cases, you can reuse the stock ones by simply cleaning and repacking them. I just wish someone else gave you a COMPLETE knuckle rebuild kit like TG does. Neither Marlin nor All-Pro provide the half moon felt protectors, nor the copper inner ring in their kits. At least TG does.

I have installed all of the "BIG 3's" SAS kits numerous times. So, I have a lot of experience with all of the kits available. I actually prefer the TG over all others based on how complete the kit is, and the fact that you just get soooooo much more in their kit. Yes, I am a TG dealer, but I also run the products on my own rig. I have built three personal rigs on top of at least 20 customer rigs. My first rig was an All-Pro rig (when I worked there). I still chose to use TG for my last two personal rigs.

TOYOTA 1 · 03-15-2009, 10:29 AM

doh!

guess i missed that pic

RaginYota · 03-15-2009, 02:28 PM

Done, finally done, everything went smoothly and the TG kit is really a great kit. I would highly recommend this kit to anyone looking or wanting to complete and SAS. The only thing left to do now, is get an alignment, front drive shaft, install the gears in the rear to match the front and install another tube for the sliders.

Before and after

Laterz

904_runner · 03-15-2009, 02:30 PM

Wheeling this weekend.

lets go!

!!!

How do you like the ride?

RaginYota · 03-15-2009, 03:03 PM

I still need to get the front DS. Hopefully this week I will have it.

The ride is different and will take a little to get used to. I know that my wheels are a little out of wack, so that is also causing some new-weird-cool-funny feeling when driving it. I like it though and excited to see how it preforms off road. Maybe next weekend if I get the DS.

904_runner · 03-15-2009, 03:16 PM

Ragin if you take your time you can make a square one for under $40

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...are+driveshaft

RaginYota · 03-15-2009, 03:35 PM

I was thinking about but being that I am a noise nazi, I really couldn't stand it, seriously rattles, clicks and clunks make me nuts. LMAO

904_runner · 03-15-2009, 03:40 PM

oh yea

but $40 or so over $250+

RaginYota · 03-15-2009, 03:45 PM

can't put a price on comfort and not getting so mad that you just want to punch everyone is face...lol... But we will see about the DS, I have a buddy that might be able to work some magic. Not sure though.

904_runner · 03-15-2009, 03:52 PM

Yea...

So now that your truck runs wanna help me with this 3.4 swap?

We need some flex pics...
Loading ramp yet?

RaginYota · 03-15-2009, 04:06 PM

not today. most likely tomorrow after work I will get on to the ramp. Kinda hanging around the house today. That swap wore me out.

What do you need help with on the swap?

03-14-2009, 08:38 AM	#27 (permalink)
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03-14-2009, 09:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	Mike-- I mounted it flush with the frame. Looks good I am about to post up the pics from today. Yes I am using the marlins knuckle re-build kit w/ bearings As far as the bushing and shackles, I am just gonna take it one day at a time. If they wear out then I will replace then with better quality stuff. I am extremely happy with the TG kit now. I am don't know what I will be saying in about a month or two, but like I said one day at time. Thanks for the input about your TG issues, I will keep them in mind for future reference. __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it Last edited by RaginYota; 03-14-2009 at 09:38 PM.

03-14-2009, 09:34 PM	#32 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	Another day done and tomorrow and we have about 4 hours of work left. We finished the front today and got the rear spring ready for welding. 1st thing this morning Rudy is finishing up the frame with the hole-saw and Zack starting laying the bead on the front hanger. Here I am removing one support from the slider. It was causing probles with the hole-saw. The front is complete The back was still on jack stands How sits tonight. I will have completed pics tomorrow. __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it Last edited by RaginYota; 03-14-2009 at 10:13 PM.

03-14-2009, 09:40 PM	#33 (permalink)
scuba Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WHEELIN BIG BEAR Posts: 6,968	DDDDAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYMMMMMMMM Quick freakin work on that beast!! Looks great man..!! __________________ Screw you guys I'm goin to TTORA Mods, please be mature and leave my sig alone, thanks. No, I will not be your friend.

03-14-2009, 09:47 PM	#36 (permalink)
scuba Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WHEELIN BIG BEAR Posts: 6,968	Oh, Can I have some Girl scout cookies..? __________________ Screw you guys I'm goin to TTORA Mods, please be mature and leave my sig alone, thanks. No, I will not be your friend.

03-14-2009, 10:05 PM	#37 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	Scuba.. you are to much bro LMAO!!!!... and yes you are correct, 3" front and 4" rear. It should level out nice since the front 3" will actually provide 4" of lift, hopefully.. About the girl scout cookies..... you don't want any. The damn things are like crack.. My daughter was selling them and.... yeah.... 42 bucks later and extra 10 pounds that I don't need..... i still want them... friggin thin mints and shortbreads are gonna break me. __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it Last edited by RaginYota; 03-14-2009 at 10:06 PM.

03-14-2009, 10:09 PM	#38 (permalink)
scuba Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WHEELIN BIG BEAR Posts: 6,968	bhahah, thread jack : standing outside at work some little girl aske me to buy some, I couldnt refuse... I just thought that was funny... Like I said, Cant wait to see er finished !! __________________ Screw you guys I'm goin to TTORA Mods, please be mature and leave my sig alone, thanks. No, I will not be your friend.

03-14-2009, 10:16 PM	#39 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	hey man it looks sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-14-2009, 10:36 PM	#40 (permalink)
ScottyC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Windsor/Greeley, CO Posts: 1,179	FWIW, TG fixed all of their bushing issues around nine months ago. The trunion bearings aren't as good IMO as the others, but in most cases, you can reuse the stock ones by simply cleaning and repacking them. I just wish someone else gave you a COMPLETE knuckle rebuild kit like TG does. Neither Marlin nor All-Pro provide the half moon felt protectors, nor the copper inner ring in their kits. At least TG does. I have installed all of the "BIG 3's" SAS kits numerous times. So, I have a lot of experience with all of the kits available. I actually prefer the TG over all others based on how complete the kit is, and the fact that you just get soooooo much more in their kit. Yes, I am a TG dealer, but I also run the products on my own rig. I have built three personal rigs on top of at least 20 customer rigs. My first rig was an All-Pro rig (when I worked there). I still chose to use TG for my last two personal rigs. __________________ Scotty http://www.addictedoffroad.com/ 970-420-4198 Toyota Winch bumpers on SALE!

03-15-2009, 02:28 PM	#42 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	Done, finally done, everything went smoothly and the TG kit is really a great kit. I would highly recommend this kit to anyone looking or wanting to complete and SAS. The only thing left to do now, is get an alignment, front drive shaft, install the gears in the rear to match the front and install another tube for the sliders. Before and after Laterz __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it Last edited by RaginYota; 03-15-2009 at 02:33 PM.

03-15-2009, 02:30 PM	#43 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	Wheeling this weekend. lets go! !!! How do you like the ride? __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-15-2009, 03:03 PM	#44 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	I still need to get the front DS. Hopefully this week I will have it. The ride is different and will take a little to get used to. I know that my wheels are a little out of wack, so that is also causing some new-weird-cool-funny feeling when driving it. I like it though and excited to see how it preforms off road. Maybe next weekend if I get the DS. __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it Last edited by RaginYota; 03-15-2009 at 03:05 PM.

03-15-2009, 03:16 PM	#45 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	Ragin if you take your time you can make a square one for under $40 http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...are+driveshaft __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-15-2009, 03:35 PM	#46 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	I was thinking about but being that I am a noise nazi, I really couldn't stand it, seriously rattles, clicks and clunks make me nuts. LMAO __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it

03-15-2009, 03:40 PM	#47 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	oh yea but $40 or so over $250+ __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-15-2009, 03:45 PM	#48 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	can't put a price on comfort and not getting so mad that you just want to punch everyone is face...lol... But we will see about the DS, I have a buddy that might be able to work some magic. Not sure though. __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it

03-15-2009, 03:52 PM	#49 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	Yea... So now that your truck runs wanna help me with this 3.4 swap? We need some flex pics... Loading ramp yet? __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

03-15-2009, 04:06 PM	#50 (permalink)
RaginYota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beale AFB Ca ( Marysville) Posts: 272	not today. most likely tomorrow after work I will get on to the ramp. Kinda hanging around the house today. That swap wore me out. What do you need help with on the swap? __________________ I did have a 1990 X-cab P/U, 3.0 SAS'd w/ 3" Trail Gear IFS Eliminator Kit, 4" Trail Gear Rear Lift Kit, 35" KM2s, Yukon 4.88s, Locked Front and Rear w/ Aussie and a Detroit, Sliders, M-8000 Warn Winch, But I sold it

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