Difference in Toyota Solid Axles

Anubiscougar · 03-18-2008, 09:45 PM

first off, search completed. found : nothing.

What are the differences in all the solid front axles that toyota has built.. which is the most desirable? Does it really matter(once you upgrade everything). What's the different widths. Is high pinion only dealing with the 3rd member, or is there a different in the housing too??(can you take a non HP axle and get a HP 3rd and put it in?). What's the difference between old land crusher axles vs truck/runner axles? Are all parts interchangeable? IE Axles, carriers, 3rd's, hubs, etc etc.

Also, what about the rear?

DeathCougar · 03-18-2008, 09:51 PM

thats a lot of questiong, but you need to tell us more spefically what you are looking to do.

SAS obviously, but Coils? Leafs? 3link, 4 link, 5 link? Hardcore? Show truck?

FJ-40 and 60 axles are 8.8" diffs. Not usable in truck housings.

FJ-80 front axles use a high pinion 8" carrier/diff assy, and will fit in any Toyota truck, 4runner, or 80-series landcruiser housing.

Dare44 · 03-18-2008, 09:54 PM

84 and 85 in the pickups and 4runners had more gussetings on the sfa than the other years. up to 83 they lack the strength of the later axles

WCorbett · 03-18-2008, 09:56 PM

and 79 to 81 have no gussets and 82 and 83 have medium lower gusseting.

WCorbett · 03-18-2008, 09:58 PM

oh and to answer your questions lol. they all are the same width and that is 55 inches WMS to WMS but the SAS kits come with wheel spacers to match the rear of IFS rigs. Strengh is proportionate to the gussets and the HP is just a third member. they came on FJ 80s

fillsrunner4 · 03-18-2008, 09:58 PM

youve got to be able to find it in search. Deathcougar is right with his info. search SAS. 84-85 has a bigger lower truss. the older have one but its smaller length wise. a fj80 with high pinion is desirable also cause its wided and the high pinion of a 8" third will fit right into all years pickup and 4runner solid front axles. its not a difference in the housing

dirtoyboy · 03-19-2008, 08:29 AM

Some people actually prefer the earlier axles with no gusset on the bottom for the increase in ground clearance

**Lysmachia** · 03-19-2008, 10:49 AM

You can always aftermarket gusset to your liking as well (Tons of write ups on that) IMHO If you are gonna wheel hard at least a top gusset is a must! Otherwise you are looking at axle bend-age...

C clip failed probably due to Axle housing stress. Lost my Wheel and shaft at 45 miles per hour....

BAD Axle shaft! (Splines totally stripped....

Look how bent the housing was once we got it out of there!

All the dirt on the issue that's fit to print here!!!
http://www.yotatech.com/f116/snap-re...t-ride-113260/

Obviously if you wheel hard with a stock Yota axle you really ought to have some kind of gusseting. Don't learn the hard way like I did!

tc · 03-19-2008, 11:21 AM

She says c-clip ... she means pressed on bearing. The point being, that if you're gonna wheel it hard (and if you're not, don't waste the money on a SAS) then it needs to be braced and converted to full float.

Most of the answers to your questions are here
http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/

**Lysmachia** · 03-19-2008, 12:35 PM

Sorry my Bad. Clips are in the front with the hubs DUH! Since I didn't have a full float I wouldn't have a clip! Schooled again by my better half!

AxleIke · 03-19-2008, 12:40 PM

I would say you definitely need a sas.

DeathCougar · 03-19-2008, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lysmachia

Sorry my Bad. Clips are in the front with the hubs DUH! Since I didn't have a full float I wouldn't have a clip! Schooled again by my better half!

You're actually right. There is a C-clip that holds on a retaining collar, that holds the bearing in place. If that c-clip comes off, the collar can back out, and the bearing wil be right behind it.

So NAH NAH NAH tc!

tc · 03-19-2008, 06:28 PM

No, that's a snap ring, not a c-clip

904_runner · 03-19-2008, 06:44 PM

All i can say is great job on guiding that to the curb!
Oh and glad nobody was hurt

**Lysmachia** · 03-19-2008, 07:12 PM

Troy (TC) was the driver and he did a hella job. The Tire bounded down a 4 lane main road in front of us, then bounced over my hood and into a new car dealership. Miraculously no other car was hit!!!!

DeathCougar · 03-19-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

No, that's a snap ring, not a c-clip

its a C-shaped clip!

THATS a snap-ring!

Lolol we both are right.

dirtoyboy · 03-20-2008, 01:06 PM

What the heck did you do that axle?

I dont think I would drive on a public street like that....for dee safety reasons

**Lysmachia** · 03-20-2008, 04:11 PM

Well we had no idea it was THAT bent till we took it out. You can't see a bend like that till you can stand over it! (From the side it looks straight!)

I have a feeling stunts like this is what did it...

ALL that shifted weight on the driver side probably bent the axle over time... I just never was able to see it. Needless to say my new axle will be gusseted more when I work on tippy's exo...

03-18-2008, 09:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Anubiscougar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 97	Difference in Toyota Solid Axles first off, search completed. found : nothing. What are the differences in all the solid front axles that toyota has built.. which is the most desirable? Does it really matter(once you upgrade everything). What's the different widths. Is high pinion only dealing with the 3rd member, or is there a different in the housing too??(can you take a non HP axle and get a HP 3rd and put it in?). What's the difference between old land crusher axles vs truck/runner axles? Are all parts interchangeable? IE Axles, carriers, 3rd's, hubs, etc etc. Also, what about the rear? __________________ 90 4Runner 5spd V6 4x4 = blown motor. Result = 350sbc, TH400, NP203 IN AND RUNNING.

03-18-2008, 09:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dare44 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: grass valley, ca Posts: 901	84 and 85 in the pickups and 4runners had more gussetings on the sfa than the other years. up to 83 they lack the strength of the later axles __________________ 1997 Toyota 4x4 SR5 4runner 3.4 auto Toytec 3 inch coil spring Lift Trail Gear Rock Sliders Maxxis Bighorn M/T's Amp Custom Rims Cobra CB, 5ft Firestik KC Daylighters http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3008195 Near Future List Bumpers Lockers 1st Gen Roll Bar Winning the Lottery?

03-18-2008, 09:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
fillsrunner4 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sammamish, wa Posts: 2,363	youve got to be able to find it in search. Deathcougar is right with his info. search SAS. 84-85 has a bigger lower truss. the older have one but its smaller length wise. a fj80 with high pinion is desirable also cause its wided and the high pinion of a 8" third will fit right into all years pickup and 4runner solid front axles. its not a difference in the housing __________________ 94' toyota 4runner (Many a change!) purchased bone stock, NOW... SAS, 37x14" Iroks, Rear Leafs, 5.29's , Air locked front, Welded rear, 4.3L, Chevy V6 , 5spd swapped, dual T/C's MC10R10, flatbelly with custom skids, sliders, and so much more. Might as well start reading this if ya want know more Fillsrunner4 3.4crawler Build Thread Fillsrunner4.3 crawler (Part Two) build thread

03-19-2008, 10:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Lysmachia Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,603	You can always aftermarket gusset to your liking as well (Tons of write ups on that) IMHO If you are gonna wheel hard at least a top gusset is a must! Otherwise you are looking at axle bend-age... C clip failed probably due to Axle housing stress. Lost my Wheel and shaft at 45 miles per hour.... BAD Axle shaft! (Splines totally stripped.... Look how bent the housing was once we got it out of there! All the dirt on the issue that's fit to print here!!! http://www.yotatech.com/f116/snap-re...t-ride-113260/ Obviously if you wheel hard with a stock Yota axle you really ought to have some kind of gusseting. Don't learn the hard way like I did! __________________ Molly aka Lysmachia 93 4 Runner SAS - All Fixed in Junk Yard Goodness Get your 4x4 VIDEO pr0n here

03-19-2008, 11:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,813	She says c-clip ... she means pressed on bearing. The point being, that if you're gonna wheel it hard (and if you're not, don't waste the money on a SAS) then it needs to be braced and converted to full float. Most of the answers to your questions are here http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/ __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

03-18-2008, 09:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
WCorbett Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 596	and 79 to 81 have no gussets and 82 and 83 have medium lower gusseting.

03-18-2008, 09:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
WCorbett Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 596	oh and to answer your questions lol. they all are the same width and that is 55 inches WMS to WMS but the SAS kits come with wheel spacers to match the rear of IFS rigs. Strengh is proportionate to the gussets and the HP is just a third member. they came on FJ 80s

03-19-2008, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lysmachia Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,603	Sorry my Bad. Clips are in the front with the hubs DUH! Since I didn't have a full float I wouldn't have a clip! Schooled again by my better half! __________________ Molly aka Lysmachia 93 4 Runner SAS - All Fixed in Junk Yard Goodness Get your 4x4 VIDEO pr0n here

03-19-2008, 12:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,536	I would say you definitely need a sas. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.

03-19-2008, 06:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,813	No, that's a snap ring, not a c-clip __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

03-19-2008, 07:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lysmachia Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,603	Troy (TC) was the driver and he did a hella job. The Tire bounded down a 4 lane main road in front of us, then bounced over my hood and into a new car dealership. Miraculously no other car was hit!!!! __________________ Molly aka Lysmachia 93 4 Runner SAS - All Fixed in Junk Yard Goodness Get your 4x4 VIDEO pr0n here

03-20-2008, 04:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
Lysmachia Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,603	Well we had no idea it was THAT bent till we took it out. You can't see a bend like that till you can stand over it! (From the side it looks straight!) I have a feeling stunts like this is what did it... ALL that shifted weight on the driver side probably bent the axle over time... I just never was able to see it. Needless to say my new axle will be gusseted more when I work on tippy's exo... __________________ Molly aka Lysmachia 93 4 Runner SAS - All Fixed in Junk Yard Goodness Get your 4x4 VIDEO pr0n here