Project oxy-moron - Page 2

trbizwiz · 09-03-2008, 08:07 AM

Here are a few more pictures. I am getting dangerously close to having the 63 inch swap done!
i did drill out the mounting holes for the passy side leaf last night, but I had to soak the old hangers in PB over night they wont come off. the driver side leaf took 3 coatings of PB and 3 days to get off, not to mention alot of 3 pound sledge pounding. I would use a bigger sledge, but I would have a mushroom at the end of the bolt, I'll have to do a little grinding as it is.
this weekends hours:
sunday gringind and cutting and welding passy side...........5hrs
monday finish grinding install driver side leaf.....................3hrs
tuesday drill passy side hanger holes and attempt to remove chevy hangers........................................... ..........................2hrs
bj spacers........................................... .................................................. ......$117.00
__________________________________________________ _______________
project running total............................................. ....31.5hrs.........................$2240.95

zlathim · 09-03-2008, 11:20 AM

Cool. You are making some good progress. Keep the updates coming!

trbizwiz · 09-08-2008, 08:59 AM

Ok guys, I finally have the new springs on and the rear axel on and every thing bolted up, temporarily. I could not find 9/16 bolts so I used half inch ones. Ill order new bushings and bolts and replace then. I also had to use the stock U bolts, because I could not find any extended ubolts that fit locally so I'll have to order those too. The stock U bolts work ok, but when I shim the axel to point the pinion at the Xfr case the stockers wont reach.
Here are some pictures from last night, I'll try to get better ones today.

sunday bolting up the axel and third........................2.5 hrs
por 15 chassis kit x2................................................ .............$150
pressure sand blaster 90#............................................... .......$120
__________________________________________________ ______________
running total............................................. ........34 hrs.........$2510.95

bigtrucknwheels · 09-08-2008, 12:10 PM

very nice work. subscribed.

trbizwiz · 09-08-2008, 01:39 PM

If you are reading this and looking at my hours dont let that discourage you. I am working very slowly, because I have never done anything like this before. Also I have 2 small boys that I try to give some attention too, so I spend more time getting tools out and putting them away than i spend on the project it's self. I would say what I have done so far could have been done in a weekend or less if you had everything you needed and just worked straight through. I have never been able to do anything in the time I figured it should take either so who actually knows.

bigt · 09-09-2008, 05:46 PM

really looking good man.. its always takes longer and you always gotta get a tool to do a new job.. hey but soon youll have them all... i like these trucks and ill prolly drive one of the same vintage for a long time!

trbizwiz · 09-10-2008, 08:24 AM

thanks for the encouragement.
Where is a good supplier of grade 8 bolts and U bolts and such. I am having a terrible time finding anything locally?

trbizwiz · 09-17-2008, 01:52 PM

I am in the middle of sand blasting the frame. After that is done I'll throw a picture or two on here before I put the por 15 on. it is coming along pretty good. I am having a little trouble finding time to work on it though. i better hurry, it was cold this morning riding my Harley to work. I had planned on selling my Chevy diesel and just riding the bike for a year, then I got the urge to build a Toyota 4x4, so now I am in a rush with mother nature bring on 50 degree fall mornings. After the por 15 I should just about be able to drive it any time though, until the timing belt change I am sure that will take a month.

FishOutOfWater · 09-18-2008, 12:53 PM

Very interested in your engine mods. I am not sure about compression pressures using other fuels than gas, but the stock 3.0 headbolts suck. I know folks have had luck with the newer head gaskets and head bolts (which you must buy new, not re-use, and don't chase the block head bolt holes with a tap), but if propane yields higher compression pressures, you may want another option than a stock replacement.

I replaced my head bolts with 12mm ARP studs and so far everything is working out great. Only slight modifications (larger holes in the block and heads) are required. If you are interested, there is info in the thread titled "Head bolt size on 3.0L V6" Some decade I will do a detailed write up, but it looks like other head bolt options are also available without going to 12mm. Good luck, and keep up the quality work.

trbizwiz · 09-18-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FishOutOfWater

Very interested in your engine mods. I am not sure about compression pressures using other fuels than gas, but the stock 3.0 headbolts suck. I know folks have had luck with the newer head gaskets and head bolts (which you must buy new, not re-use, and don't chase the block head bolt holes with a tap), but if propane yields higher compression pressures, you may want another option than a stock replacement.

I replaced my head bolts with 12mm ARP studs and so far everything is working out great. Only slight modifications (larger holes in the block and heads) are required. If you are interested, there is info in the thread titled "Head bolt size on 3.0L V6" Some decade I will do a detailed write up, but it looks like other head bolt options are also available without going to 12mm. Good luck, and keep up the quality work.

thanks for the tip and the kind words.
I have not given great consideration to the needed engine mods to make the pane conversion perfect, but after I get this thing in quality rolling stock shape I will research high and low.
Propane yields less btu's per unit than petrol, but more than nat gas. It does however burn fully as opposed to 75 to 80 of petro. Combine that with significantly higher octane, on average 105 and you potentially can make more power out of a similar displacement engine by increasing the compression taking advantage of the lack of pre ignition. I plan to free up the air flow as much as possible possibly with the Camry MAF mod and cold induction and a hood scoop on the intake side. And maybe headers and free flowing exhaust minus the core of the cat converter, since it is silly to run a cat with pane as there are little to no hydro carbons in pane, but the core will be needed to pass inspection because the law is the law, also I will block off the ERG valve, because propane's lower combustion temps make an erg valve redundant. Also with the type of propane system I plan to run it will only balance the propane to the amount of air allowed in the engine, so since the exhaust gases wont burn the ERG most likely will hinder performance, and do nothing to help the environment.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for the environment and protecting it, this is half the reason I am doing this mod anyway. I even build a very energy efficient house with out concern for cost because I want to do my part (and the idea of alternative energy and using what is naturally available and recycling fascinates the heck out of me). I don't expect everyone to follow my lead, but I believe if I do my part, then my contribution will help to make the world a little better place, and I am trying to instill the same in my children. Oh yea and I am a conservative (read republican go figure) but I believe recycling and alternative energy sources and working with the environment not against it should be a conservative trait. But I also believe that human life is sacred, animals are here to eat, a man should be able to be armed to protect his family from harm (he has a responsibility to do so, but also a responsibility to be trained and safe with those weapons and I pay far too many taxes that eat up my time and money better spent on family and fun (read: hobbies like working on my truck). If my personal views offend anyone, well you are wrong, but I will agree to disagree

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Back on subject, but now everyone knows who I am.
The way I see it take advantage of an abundant and domestic supply of fuel, that costs less than petrol, and if fueling a properly set up engine can provide more power and better economy while being less of an impact on the environment, what could be wrong with that.

I definitely will look over your head bolt idea, it was something I was considering anyway. I think to increase the compression I will need a thinner head gasket or alternatively a domed piston, as well as more air. The ideas expressed earlier are a few I am considering, but I am sure more will turn up from all of my forum friends. I really don't have any experience with anything like this, other than hours of reading and research, but it fascinates me so much I know I will make it work at some point. I am not really sure why it hasn't been done on the 3vze yet other than maybe fewer people have them and the ones that tend to tinker have the 22re, kind of a demographics thing. I myself actually set out to buy a truck with a 22re, but this one just seems to fit my plans perfectly, and it was red, red is my weakness.

I am going kind of slow, but I am trying to be thorough. I don't want to go back and redo anything, or say I wish I had...... Hopefully in the end if there is some sorry sucker that thinks like I do, I will have provided a road map for them to do this as well. Not every one is dumb enough to jump into something they know nothing about and just hope they get it right. I am a little stubborn though, and very curious. My curiosity actually eats at me, and if I don't feed it I can't think straight. But it also hasn't lead me astray yet, and always pays off.....so far.

I am sand blasting tonight, maybe I'll have pictures tomorrow definitely Monday.

Tacoclimber · 09-18-2008, 03:07 PM

I'm digging this build.

I don't know that I've ever seen anyone do a running total of hours and cost. That's pretty cool.

trbizwiz · 09-19-2008, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tacoclimber

I'm digging this build.

I don't know that I've ever seen anyone do a running total of hours and cost. That's pretty cool.

I am mostly doing it to keep track for myself, but I thought it might be helpful to others too. However if anyone leaks this to my wife, I'll hunt you down and find dirty secrets of yours too. She thinks I am doing this all for $50, well maybe she just isnt paying real close attention.LOL. If whe ever says anything I'll just tell her it's cheaper than a mistress, probably takes more time though. Oh and it's alot more fun.

trbizwiz · 09-19-2008, 08:22 AM

I bought some more parts yesterday:
New fuel pump bracket, gasket, and screws....................$80
WRONG PART DID NOT PICK IT UP................................-$80
energy suspension master kit red.................................$155
energy suspension Chevy leaf kit...................................$42
grade 8 9/16 bolts 4.5 inches long.................................$50
.................................................. .................................................. .
setting up sand blaster and draping the truck in the garage, and blasting about 1/3 or the rear part of the frame..............2.5 hrs
__________________________________________________ _______________
total so far............................................... ...36.5 hrs...$2757.95

I sure hope that bracket is the right one, it sounds a little cheap to me, everyone said they are like $125 at a discount. I called Reliable Toyota, and gave them the vin and told them exactly what I needed and that's the price he gave. I asked are you sure, does it have the 3 hard fuel lines coming out the top and everything? He said yes, so I guess it is it, but I don't really believe it yet. I will find out tomorrow when I pick it up, they called this morning and it is in already.

trbizwiz · 09-23-2008, 02:32 PM

Well I found a new fuel pump bracket from a guy in Minnesota today that says it's in stock and ships out today.

.................................................. ..............$125.00
__________________________________________________ _______________
total............................................. ...........$2882.95

yotasavg · 09-23-2008, 02:51 PM

hey awesome build i'll be following.

trbizwiz · 09-23-2008, 02:59 PM

Thanks, hopefully i'll get this puppy sandblasted soon. I am going to try to finish it tonight. But so far something always causes a delay.
I almost scored a set of used 31x10.50 coopers with over half of their tread left for $50 bucks last night, but I was an hour late, some one beat me to them. I am hoping to get some used 31's to get me through the winter, then after the propane conversion get a new set of Kuhmo KL71 33's or 35's. maybe an SAS then too.

trbizwiz · 09-24-2008, 06:26 AM

Yea I pretty much got the rear sand blasted last night. I smashed a finger and got some very painfull sand in my eye, but I think I got her done. I was too tired to clean up the truck and the sand last night, so I'll get pictures later and post them. I tried to get all the bad areas all the way down to shiny metal, and the not so bad areas scuffed up good so the por 15 and acid stuff will stick good.
I plan on washing it friday with the por 15 cleaner, and then coating it Saturday. THen I'll put the new custom spring shackels on and tak her for a spin. Hopefully the shackels will eliminate the small viberation. If not hopefully the energy suspension bushings in the front will. They should be here by this weekend too. Of course it could also be out of balance tires or any other number of things.

trbizwiz · 09-29-2008, 09:43 AM

OK, I finally got the sand blasting done. I spent all day Saturday, disassembling the rear suspension again. i finished some rotten frame repair 9welding) I cut from the bottom of the frame up about 1 1/4 inches to move the front Chevy spring hanger upward. I am hoping this will make my pinion point more to the transfer case, and also make my home made hanger more low profile. I'll probably do some cutting and shaping on the hanger tonight before I paint.
I also used the quart of marine clean in my POR 15 frame kit and cleaned the frame. Even cut 50% by water this stuff is strong, I have the red spots to prove it. I then power washed the frame and dried it with a leaf blower and about an hour of sitting in direst sunlight, then sprayed it with the phos acid stuff from POR 15. Then I put the truck back together and rolled it back in the garage, for paint tonight. I have some photos to post. Note the light surface rust and discoloration is from the power washing and the acid stuff.

trbizwiz · 09-29-2008, 09:47 AM

a couple more pictures

09-03-2008, 08:07 AM	#26 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	Here are a few more pictures. I am getting dangerously close to having the 63 inch swap done! i did drill out the mounting holes for the passy side leaf last night, but I had to soak the old hangers in PB over night they wont come off. the driver side leaf took 3 coatings of PB and 3 days to get off, not to mention alot of 3 pound sledge pounding. I would use a bigger sledge, but I would have a mushroom at the end of the bolt, I'll have to do a little grinding as it is. this weekends hours: sunday gringind and cutting and welding passy side...........5hrs monday finish grinding install driver side leaf.....................3hrs tuesday drill passy side hanger holes and attempt to remove chevy hangers........................................... ..........................2hrs bj spacers........................................... .................................................. ......$117.00 __________________________________________________ _______________ project running total............................................. ....31.5hrs.........................$2240.95 Attached Thumbnails __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/ Last edited by trbizwiz : 09-03-2008 at 08:12 AM.

09-03-2008, 11:20 AM	#27 (permalink)
zlathim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,006	Cool. You are making some good progress. Keep the updates coming! __________________ Do you think Einstein walked around thinking everyone was a bunch of dipsticks? Idiocracy (edited for family friendly viewing)

09-08-2008, 08:59 AM	#28 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	Ok guys, I finally have the new springs on and the rear axel on and every thing bolted up, temporarily. I could not find 9/16 bolts so I used half inch ones. Ill order new bushings and bolts and replace then. I also had to use the stock U bolts, because I could not find any extended ubolts that fit locally so I'll have to order those too. The stock U bolts work ok, but when I shim the axel to point the pinion at the Xfr case the stockers wont reach. Here are some pictures from last night, I'll try to get better ones today. sunday bolting up the axel and third........................2.5 hrs por 15 chassis kit x2................................................ .............$150 pressure sand blaster 90#............................................... .......$120 __________________________________________________ ______________ running total............................................. ........34 hrs.........$2510.95 Attached Thumbnails __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-08-2008, 12:10 PM	#29 (permalink)
bigtrucknwheels Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Selinsgrove, PA Posts: 1,257	very nice work. subscribed. __________________ 1990 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6. 4wd/V6/Auto. Complete Part Out! Click or PM! 1990 Toyota Pickup Xtra Cab DLX. 4wd/V6/Auto 1989 Toyota Pickup Std. Cab DLX. 4wd/I4/5spd. FOR SALE SOON!

09-08-2008, 01:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	If you are reading this and looking at my hours dont let that discourage you. I am working very slowly, because I have never done anything like this before. Also I have 2 small boys that I try to give some attention too, so I spend more time getting tools out and putting them away than i spend on the project it's self. I would say what I have done so far could have been done in a weekend or less if you had everything you needed and just worked straight through. I have never been able to do anything in the time I figured it should take either so who actually knows. __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-09-2008, 05:46 PM	#31 (permalink)
bigt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: chippawa niagara falls ontario Posts: 1,934	really looking good man.. its always takes longer and you always gotta get a tool to do a new job.. hey but soon youll have them all... i like these trucks and ill prolly drive one of the same vintage for a long time! __________________ 1991 HILUX SURF SSR-X 2-lte turbo diesel with upgraded head tons of cool options you dont get in north America RIGHT HAND DRIVE,auto,push button 4wd,turbo timer,31.1-.50.15 bfgs,factory fender flares,window flares. CAR DOLLY sirius TUNED TO HOWARD 100 trail ifs rig goldie fate unknown blue 93 srf 4runner NEW TRAIL RIG IN POGRESS ifs welded rear few mods for now rebuilding fj 60 series front axle for future s.a.s

09-10-2008, 08:24 AM	#32 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	thanks for the encouragement. Where is a good supplier of grade 8 bolts and U bolts and such. I am having a terrible time finding anything locally? __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-17-2008, 01:52 PM	#33 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	I am in the middle of sand blasting the frame. After that is done I'll throw a picture or two on here before I put the por 15 on. it is coming along pretty good. I am having a little trouble finding time to work on it though. i better hurry, it was cold this morning riding my Harley to work. I had planned on selling my Chevy diesel and just riding the bike for a year, then I got the urge to build a Toyota 4x4, so now I am in a rush with mother nature bring on 50 degree fall mornings. After the por 15 I should just about be able to drive it any time though, until the timing belt change I am sure that will take a month. __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-18-2008, 12:53 PM	#34 (permalink)
FishOutOfWater Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 12	Egnition pressures Very interested in your engine mods. I am not sure about compression pressures using other fuels than gas, but the stock 3.0 headbolts suck. I know folks have had luck with the newer head gaskets and head bolts (which you must buy new, not re-use, and don't chase the block head bolt holes with a tap), but if propane yields higher compression pressures, you may want another option than a stock replacement. I replaced my head bolts with 12mm ARP studs and so far everything is working out great. Only slight modifications (larger holes in the block and heads) are required. If you are interested, there is info in the thread titled "Head bolt size on 3.0L V6" Some decade I will do a detailed write up, but it looks like other head bolt options are also available without going to 12mm. Good luck, and keep up the quality work.

09-18-2008, 03:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
Tacoclimber Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Between a rock and a hard place, AZ Posts: 3,495	I'm digging this build. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone do a running total of hours and cost. That's pretty cool. __________________ CJ ...<>< 03 DC TRD Tacoma 4wd with a bunch of junk. Just wheel the stupid thing!!! But do it responsibly, ok?

09-19-2008, 08:22 AM	#38 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	I bought some more parts yesterday: New fuel pump bracket, gasket, and screws....................$80 WRONG PART DID NOT PICK IT UP................................-$80 energy suspension master kit red.................................$155 energy suspension Chevy leaf kit...................................$42 grade 8 9/16 bolts 4.5 inches long.................................$50 .................................................. .................................................. . setting up sand blaster and draping the truck in the garage, and blasting about 1/3 or the rear part of the frame..............2.5 hrs __________________________________________________ _______________ total so far............................................... ...36.5 hrs...$2757.95 I sure hope that bracket is the right one, it sounds a little cheap to me, everyone said they are like $125 at a discount. I called Reliable Toyota, and gave them the vin and told them exactly what I needed and that's the price he gave. I asked are you sure, does it have the 3 hard fuel lines coming out the top and everything? He said yes, so I guess it is it, but I don't really believe it yet. I will find out tomorrow when I pick it up, they called this morning and it is in already. __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/ Last edited by trbizwiz : 09-23-2008 at 02:16 PM.

09-23-2008, 02:32 PM	#39 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	Well I found a new fuel pump bracket from a guy in Minnesota today that says it's in stock and ships out today. .................................................. ..............$125.00 __________________________________________________ _______________ total............................................. ...........$2882.95 __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-23-2008, 02:51 PM	#40 (permalink)
yotasavg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chico Republic, NOR*CAL Posts: 1,522	hey awesome build i'll be following. __________________ -Andrew 94 4Runner 3.0 Auto. I got mods

09-23-2008, 02:59 PM	#41 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	Thanks, hopefully i'll get this puppy sandblasted soon. I am going to try to finish it tonight. But so far something always causes a delay. I almost scored a set of used 31x10.50 coopers with over half of their tread left for $50 bucks last night, but I was an hour late, some one beat me to them. I am hoping to get some used 31's to get me through the winter, then after the propane conversion get a new set of Kuhmo KL71 33's or 35's. maybe an SAS then too. __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-24-2008, 06:26 AM	#42 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	Yea I pretty much got the rear sand blasted last night. I smashed a finger and got some very painfull sand in my eye, but I think I got her done. I was too tired to clean up the truck and the sand last night, so I'll get pictures later and post them. I tried to get all the bad areas all the way down to shiny metal, and the not so bad areas scuffed up good so the por 15 and acid stuff will stick good. I plan on washing it friday with the por 15 cleaner, and then coating it Saturday. THen I'll put the new custom spring shackels on and tak her for a spin. Hopefully the shackels will eliminate the small viberation. If not hopefully the energy suspension bushings in the front will. They should be here by this weekend too. Of course it could also be out of balance tires or any other number of things. __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/ Last edited by trbizwiz : 10-02-2008 at 07:31 AM.

09-29-2008, 09:43 AM	#43 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	OK, I finally got the sand blasting done. I spent all day Saturday, disassembling the rear suspension again. i finished some rotten frame repair 9welding) I cut from the bottom of the frame up about 1 1/4 inches to move the front Chevy spring hanger upward. I am hoping this will make my pinion point more to the transfer case, and also make my home made hanger more low profile. I'll probably do some cutting and shaping on the hanger tonight before I paint. I also used the quart of marine clean in my POR 15 frame kit and cleaned the frame. Even cut 50% by water this stuff is strong, I have the red spots to prove it. I then power washed the frame and dried it with a leaf blower and about an hour of sitting in direst sunlight, then sprayed it with the phos acid stuff from POR 15. Then I put the truck back together and rolled it back in the garage, for paint tonight. I have some photos to post. Note the light surface rust and discoloration is from the power washing and the acid stuff. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Tom H Mt Vernon, MO chief designer of the oxy-moron (head moron reporting) http://www.yotatech.com/f151/project-oxy-moron-151018/

09-29-2008, 09:47 AM	#44 (permalink)
trbizwiz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	a couple more pictures Attached Thumbnails