Squaw Ridge/Pardoe trail/ NorCal

dark_fairytales · 01-03-2010, 11:18 AM

http://www.gentryoffroad.com/php/tra...squawridgeohv/
this is the first obstacle

this is the second obstacle

this is how far i have been so far, my bro chickened out right here.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...10114&t=h&z=12

there are the directions to the meeting spot at Bear Rez.

If coming up Hwy 50 the last spot to gas up is Polllock Pines.

I hop to Meat up at Bear Rez. to head out to the trail by 9:00am.

John101477 · 01-03-2010, 11:51 AM

sounds good so far. late may/early june should be do-able. keep me informed as to dates and specifics. headed to yosemite area the 15th of this month for images. should be fun and slick as gorilla snot

dark_fairytales · 01-03-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John101477

sounds good so far. late may/early june should be do-able. keep me informed as to dates and specifics. headed to yosemite area the 15th of this month for images. should be fun and slick as gorilla snot

cool get some nice pics of the snow. I need to head that way my self, Sheenha has been begging me to take her.

89silverpu · 01-03-2010, 03:20 PM

Depends on when it is exactly and whats going on with my training etc but looks like a pretty trail...not tryin to thread jack, but I'm also tryin to get a group of rigs together for a Rubicon run around the same time...maybe beginning to mid May though.

dark_fairytales · 01-03-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 89silverpu

Depends on when it is exactly and whats going on with my training etc but looks like a pretty trail...not tryin to thread jack, but I'm also tryin to get a group of rigs together for a Rubicon run around the same time...maybe beginning to mid May though.

I was going to send you an invite but you got to it before i could, lol.

I would love to do the CON but im sure I wont have my duel case in by then. I also need to get my armor, we will see though. I could always spot and film.

John101477 · 01-03-2010, 05:35 PM

hell I have been all over this country this year. seen a lot of snow and trucked through it fairly well. have only used my winch rope once and that was to move a log (3ft tallx40ft) out of my way. took another trip over the peligreen 2 weeks ago. it was cool until I found a locked gate at 9:30 pm after crossing the hardest area. remember the first creek we came to? I did the trail in reverse and the gate was at that creek. look me near 4 hours to back track my butt out of there.

dark_fairytales · 01-03-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John101477

hell I have been all over this country this year. seen a lot of snow and trucked through it fairly well. have only used my winch rope once and that was to move a log (3ft tallx40ft) out of my way. took another trip over the peligreen 2 weeks ago. it was cool until I found a locked gate at 9:30 pm after crossing the hardest area. remember the first creek we came to? I did the trail in reverse and the gate was at that creek. look me near 4 hours to back track my butt out of there.

nice, i would like to go there again

904_runner · 01-03-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by John101477

have only used my winch rope once and that was to move a log (3ft tallx40ft) out of my way.

How ya liking that smitty built john?? Im gonna get one soon i think

904_runner · 01-03-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 89silverpu

but I'm also tryin to get a group of rigs together for a Rubicon run around the same time...maybe beginning to mid May though.

Thats where i wanna go!

89silverpu · 01-03-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dark_fairytales

I was going to send you an invite but you got to it before i could, lol.

I would love to do the CON but im sure I wont have my duel case in by then. I also need to get my armor, we will see though. I could always spot and film.

If ya need any help, I could most likely lend you a hand, it really isn't that hard to put them together, you just need a tranny jack to throw 'em up there

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Originally Posted by 904_runner

Thats where i wanna go!

You should come! I'll make a trip planning section as soon as I figure out dates etc...I'd probably do it in a 2.5 day trip like leave friday afternoon come home sunday.

904_runner · 01-03-2010, 08:59 PM

I have no idea what my schedule is that far in advance..

I would like to go out there though.. we went for MCR last year and it was awesome, wish i had brought my truck.

highonpottery · 01-04-2010, 11:18 AM

that's pretty far in advance, but i'm down anyways. it's my goal to get out camping and wheeling at least once a month once the weather is nice this year, so let's do it! my truck should be well equipped by then, too. First, I gotta figure out why my engine hates me so bad right now. anyways, i might also be able to round up some other yotas out there and possibly a k5 if we'll let him in on a YT run.

John101477 · 01-04-2010, 11:53 AM

Mike I bought the rope line seperate and for the most part I like the winch I wish it was a little looser in free spool. it is a PITA to roll out the line. I took it apart yesterday to see if it was needing grease or what but it seemed in good order. probably gonna have to call the guys at PL and see what the deal is.
Fairy it is pretty nice up there right now. no dust or anything... If I go through again before summer I want to try to make it through to cohassett. not sure where the snow line is right now though. My dad said after last year it was near undrivable so i am trying to figure where the rough spot is.

John101477 · 01-04-2010, 11:56 AM

Brian - I am not opposed to wheelin with other makes. IMO unless it is a meet up style trip all are welcome and even then it is hard to segregate.

dark_fairytales · 01-04-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 89silverpu

If ya need any help, I could most likely lend you a hand, it really isn't that hard to put them together, you just need a tranny jack to throw 'em up there

the case is already put together, i just need to get the shifters and install it then get my drive shafts done. Im also planing on a three inch drive train lift to match my body lift.

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Originally Posted by highonpottery

that's pretty far in advance, but i'm down anyways. it's my goal to get out camping and wheeling at least once a month once the weather is nice this year, so let's do it! my truck should be well equipped by then, too. First, I gotta figure out why my engine hates me so bad right now. anyways, i might also be able to round up some other yotas out there and possibly a k5 if we'll let him in on a YT run.

Well Brian, if you want some company camping, Im game just send me a pm. Also the k5 blazer my be to big. The trail is vary narrow at points and even I had to work at squeezing between trees. Narrow my not describe it well enough, it is just tight. Brian if you need any help with that engine send me a pm. ive been getting real handy with them 22re's, I almost feel like an expert know.

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Originally Posted by John101477

Fairy it is pretty nice up there right now. no dust or anything... If I go through again before summer I want to try to make it through to cohassett. not sure where the snow line is right now though. My dad said after last year it was near undrivable so i am trying to figure where the rough spot is.

well let me know if you plan to do it again, im sure brian would be game too.

highonpottery · 01-04-2010, 02:23 PM

hmmm...too tight for a k5?....oh well, yotas only

if its that tight, i dunno about taking out the hundy as a 2nd rig - gotta get that one paid off first!

fairy - engine hasn't really been giving me "problems", it just has a few issues that need some attention before i take my truck out. i haven't been driving the truck much at all and did the t-chain about a month ago (i think it was the donuts in the mud at rattlesnake bar that finally broke the guides off). drove it for like the first time the other day and noticed some new sounds that worried me. could be nothing...just gotta check it out. i dunno, i guess i just don't feel confident in MY engine work even though she starts up and seems to run just fine. maybe it'll be sooner than later that i build up a 22re in the garage to swap in.

anyone know when the rest of the trails up 80/50 start being accessible? i'm pretty sure everything's got lots of snow right now, but i kinda wanna hit some trails with less or partial snow if possible, but i'm fairly certain the forestry guys would say otherwise. also, anyone know when rattlesnake bar is gonna open back up? my buddy wants to get back out there and hit up that sweet hill climb when it's wet. wish i knew about that place a couple years ago when i first moved to the area, we could have had so much fun...now it's time to make up for it now that i can semi-afford to break stuff.

and if anyone is hitting up any trails between now and the Squaw run, let us know, even if they're last minute or just day trips!

dark_fairytales · 01-04-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by highonpottery

hmmm...too tight for a k5?....oh well, yotas only

if its that tight, i dunno about taking out the hundy as a 2nd rig - gotta get that one paid off first!

fairy - engine hasn't really been giving me "problems", it just has a few issues that need some attention before i take my truck out. i haven't been driving the truck much at all and did the t-chain about a month ago (i think it was the donuts in the mud at rattlesnake bar that finally broke the guides off). drove it for like the first time the other day and noticed some new sounds that worried me. could be nothing...just gotta check it out. i dunno, i guess i just don't feel confident in MY engine work even though she starts up and seems to run just fine. maybe it'll be sooner than later that i build up a 22re in the garage to swap in.

anyone know when the rest of the trails up 80/50 start being accessible? i'm pretty sure everything's got lots of snow right now, but i kinda wanna hit some trails with less or partial snow if possible, but i'm fairly certain the forestry guys would say otherwise. also, anyone know when rattlesnake bar is gonna open back up? my buddy wants to get back out there and hit up that sweet hill climb when it's wet. wish i knew about that place a couple years ago when i first moved to the area, we could have had so much fun...now it's time to make up for it now that i can semi-afford to break stuff.

and if anyone is hitting up any trails between now and the Squaw run, let us know, even if they're last minute or just day trips!

I am tempted and I am contemplating fix the issue with rattlesnakebar. So ill let you know when it is open. lol

John101477 · 01-04-2010, 11:22 PM

hell I thought i posted this but I guess not. called my parts house about the stiff free spool on my winch. they in turn had me call smitty direct, here is why. I told the guy that my freespool was really stiff 300lbs on it and I can barely budge the thing. also told him the every once in a while it seems that the remote gets back wards (in is out, out is in). His answer - whats your address? and whats the ID number on the winch. all new gears and a new remote are on the way. No hassle about warrantee, no it could be user error, and no "you need it professionally installed". just a great ok parts are on the way.

dark_fairytales · 01-05-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by John101477

hell I thought i posted this but I guess not. called my parts house about the stiff free spool on my winch. they in turn had me call smitty direct, here is why. I told the guy that my freespool was really stiff 300lbs on it and I can barely budge the thing. also told him the every once in a while it seems that the remote gets back wards (in is out, out is in). His answer - whats your address? and whats the ID number on the winch. all new gears and a new remote are on the way. No hassle about warrantee, no it could be user error, and no "you need it professionally installed". just a great ok parts are on the way.

that is awesome, just another reason to buy a Smitty Built.

chrismcdowell25 · 01-05-2010, 08:51 PM

I hope I make it to this one. I want to get some stuff for this truck but I have too many damn bills to pay off right now so it's gotta stay how it is for now. Do you think it would be able to make it on this trail in it's current form or should I just wait and pass up this event? The tires aren't very meaty on the tread.

I think my first think I am going after is my rear leafs though. They are saggy. I was looking at ome or alcan. I think the alcan's will be very pricey though. What do you guys think?

http://www.4by4connection.com/ifsrearleafs.html
http://www.alcanspring.com/index.htm

John101477 · 01-06-2010, 01:05 AM

OME is good stuff but remember they will be super stiff when you get them.maybe to much . when i bought my 86 the rear end literally sat lower than the front because of the saggies. I did an add a leaf install and have not regretted it yet. I know a lot of people are probably rolling there eyes but the add a leaf was just what i needed.

dark_fairytales · 01-06-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by John101477

OME is good stuff but remember they will be super stiff when you get them.maybe to much . when i bought my 86 the rear end literally sat lower than the front because of the saggies. I did an add a leaf install and have not regretted it yet. I know a lot of people are probably rolling there eyes but the add a leaf was just what i needed.

x2 what John said

I have not done the whole trail yet. My bro was totally stock when he went with me in his 86 runner, and he did not have vary good tires either. His runner did fairly well, with a little bit of challenge. He chickened out about half way through. There is a obstacle that is semi intimidating for a stock runner. He did have a little issue with his MC bumper scraping one time but that is what the bumper is for. Once or twice his fuel tank skid hung him up a bit. Im sure a stock runner could make with little or not damage to the bumpers. Spotting, straps or a winch from some one else with slow careful movements should work. even if you only made it half way and turned around, it is still fun and well worth it.

I forgot to mention that after the trail my bro's tires where chipped every where and were out of balance after the trail run.

highonpottery · 01-06-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chrismcdowell25

I think my first think I am going after is my rear leafs though. They are saggy. I was looking at ome or alcan. I think the alcan's will be very pricey though. What do you guys think?

http://www.4by4connection.com/ifsrearleafs.html
http://www.alcanspring.com/index.htm

i've got the OME dakar leafs and i like them a lot. that side there has them for less than i paid from trdparts4u. i think mine were like $300/pr. those OME shocks are also slightly cheaper too. i think i paid a tad over $900 for my OME package: leafs, ubolts, leaf bushings, shocks, steering stablilizer, bj spacers - basically everything in a 2" lift minus shackles and t-bars.

the new leafs will be stiff when you first put them on, but there are ways of breaking them in faster. i chose to ride around with several hundred pounds in the bed. won't be as easy for you with a 4runner, but i'm sure the top will help

John101477 · 01-06-2010, 06:36 PM

Chris nice runner. looks just like mine when I first got it. I would not worry so much about tread although it would be a help. first things I would do starting all over like you are. Lockrite in the rear, TG front bumper, TG rear bumper. both bumpers will run ya just over $650 ( they went up from last year) if nothin else i would get the lockrite first and maybe some cheap aggressive tread. this alone will get you into most places. i would get rid of the apron in the front. that will be the first thing to get tweeked. the rear bumper is super weak so that might work. if I am able to go and right now that looks good, then I have just about all the recovery gear a person could need. oh and add a leaps are about $100 a pair

01-03-2010, 11:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
dark_fairytales Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sacramento, Crawlifonia Posts: 624	Location and time http://www.gentryoffroad.com/php/tra...squawridgeohv/ this is the first obstacle this is the second obstacle this is how far i have been so far, my bro chickened out right here. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...10114&t=h&z=12 there are the directions to the meeting spot at Bear Rez. If coming up Hwy 50 the last spot to gas up is Polllock Pines. I hop to Meat up at Bear Rez. to head out to the trail by 9:00am. __________________ 86 longbed/ build date Sep. 85/ build # 1131 3" body lift 1.5" balljoint spacers 6.5" rear shackles Custom stock pick-up and tacoma leaf spring pack 35" tires/ 15x10 beadlocks 5.29 gears/ ARB rear/ lockrite ront Custom 3 gal. onboard AIR Cobra LT 29 CB/ wilson 1000 ant. next mod 3" drive train lift dual t-case sitting on my carpet waiting for install Last edited by dark_fairytales; 01-08-2010 at 03:57 PM.

01-03-2010, 11:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	sounds good so far. late may/early june should be do-able. keep me informed as to dates and specifics. headed to yosemite area the 15th of this month for images. should be fun and slick as gorilla snot __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/

01-03-2010, 03:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
89silverpu Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sierra Nevada's or the Deserts of Las Vegas Posts: 2,111	Depends on when it is exactly and whats going on with my training etc but looks like a pretty trail...not tryin to thread jack, but I'm also tryin to get a group of rigs together for a Rubicon run around the same time...maybe beginning to mid May though. __________________ '89 Beater in progress 4.88's, TRD e-locker, Dual Cases, 33's, Armored, Winch Build Thread 89silverpu Fab PM me for Winch bolt lock security system, hand throttle kits, custom battery tie downs, cb mounts, jerry can mounts etc... Tread Lightly Mixchallenge.info

01-03-2010, 05:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	hell I have been all over this country this year. seen a lot of snow and trucked through it fairly well. have only used my winch rope once and that was to move a log (3ft tallx40ft) out of my way. took another trip over the peligreen 2 weeks ago. it was cool until I found a locked gate at 9:30 pm after crossing the hardest area. remember the first creek we came to? I did the trail in reverse and the gate was at that creek. look me near 4 hours to back track my butt out of there. __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/

01-03-2010, 08:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,827	I have no idea what my schedule is that far in advance.. I would like to go out there though.. we went for MCR last year and it was awesome, wish i had brought my truck. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, front high pinion W/ARB, 30 spline longfields with chromo hub gears, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Duals coming soon: Pending funds My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

01-04-2010, 11:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
highonpottery Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Citrus Hts., CA Posts: 464	that's pretty far in advance, but i'm down anyways. it's my goal to get out camping and wheeling at least once a month once the weather is nice this year, so let's do it! my truck should be well equipped by then, too. First, I gotta figure out why my engine hates me so bad right now. anyways, i might also be able to round up some other yotas out there and possibly a k5 if we'll let him in on a YT run. __________________ 1993 X-Cab - 4wd - 5spd - 22re \| 31" ATs \| 4.88s \| LockRight \| IFS Truss \| customized Curley's rear bumper \| OME 2" lift \| BJ spacers \| no swaybar \| Cobra 76xtr CB \| 2002 UZJ100 Land Cruiser \| GY DuraTracs \| 2001 Corolla S 2001 Suzuki SV650 naked 1989 Yamaha Riva 125 savaged out

01-04-2010, 11:53 AM	#14 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	Mike I bought the rope line seperate and for the most part I like the winch I wish it was a little looser in free spool. it is a PITA to roll out the line. I took it apart yesterday to see if it was needing grease or what but it seemed in good order. probably gonna have to call the guys at PL and see what the deal is. Fairy it is pretty nice up there right now. no dust or anything... If I go through again before summer I want to try to make it through to cohassett. not sure where the snow line is right now though. My dad said after last year it was near undrivable so i am trying to figure where the rough spot is. __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/

01-04-2010, 11:56 AM	#15 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	Brian - I am not opposed to wheelin with other makes. IMO unless it is a meet up style trip all are welcome and even then it is hard to segregate. __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/

01-04-2010, 02:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
highonpottery Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Citrus Hts., CA Posts: 464	hmmm...too tight for a k5?....oh well, yotas only if its that tight, i dunno about taking out the hundy as a 2nd rig - gotta get that one paid off first! fairy - engine hasn't really been giving me "problems", it just has a few issues that need some attention before i take my truck out. i haven't been driving the truck much at all and did the t-chain about a month ago (i think it was the donuts in the mud at rattlesnake bar that finally broke the guides off). drove it for like the first time the other day and noticed some new sounds that worried me. could be nothing...just gotta check it out. i dunno, i guess i just don't feel confident in MY engine work even though she starts up and seems to run just fine. maybe it'll be sooner than later that i build up a 22re in the garage to swap in. anyone know when the rest of the trails up 80/50 start being accessible? i'm pretty sure everything's got lots of snow right now, but i kinda wanna hit some trails with less or partial snow if possible, but i'm fairly certain the forestry guys would say otherwise. also, anyone know when rattlesnake bar is gonna open back up? my buddy wants to get back out there and hit up that sweet hill climb when it's wet. wish i knew about that place a couple years ago when i first moved to the area, we could have had so much fun...now it's time to make up for it now that i can semi-afford to break stuff. and if anyone is hitting up any trails between now and the Squaw run, let us know, even if they're last minute or just day trips! __________________ 1993 X-Cab - 4wd - 5spd - 22re \| 31" ATs \| 4.88s \| LockRight \| IFS Truss \| customized Curley's rear bumper \| OME 2" lift \| BJ spacers \| no swaybar \| Cobra 76xtr CB \| 2002 UZJ100 Land Cruiser \| GY DuraTracs \| 2001 Corolla S 2001 Suzuki SV650 naked 1989 Yamaha Riva 125 savaged out

01-04-2010, 11:22 PM	#19 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	hell I thought i posted this but I guess not. called my parts house about the stiff free spool on my winch. they in turn had me call smitty direct, here is why. I told the guy that my freespool was really stiff 300lbs on it and I can barely budge the thing. also told him the every once in a while it seems that the remote gets back wards (in is out, out is in). His answer - whats your address? and whats the ID number on the winch. all new gears and a new remote are on the way. No hassle about warrantee, no it could be user error, and no "you need it professionally installed". just a great ok parts are on the way. __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/

01-05-2010, 08:51 PM	#21 (permalink)
chrismcdowell25 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Fremont, Ca Posts: 110	The New 4Runner I hope I make it to this one. I want to get some stuff for this truck but I have too many damn bills to pay off right now so it's gotta stay how it is for now. Do you think it would be able to make it on this trail in it's current form or should I just wait and pass up this event? The tires aren't very meaty on the tread. I think my first think I am going after is my rear leafs though. They are saggy. I was looking at ome or alcan. I think the alcan's will be very pricey though. What do you guys think? http://www.4by4connection.com/ifsrearleafs.html http://www.alcanspring.com/index.htm __________________ 1986 Toyota 4Runner... Tacoma Replacement ChrisMcDowell25's 1986 4Runner Build-Up Thread 1996 - 2009 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 Single Cab. RIP Tacoma Last edited by chrismcdowell25; 01-05-2010 at 09:04 PM.

01-06-2010, 01:05 AM	#22 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	OME is good stuff but remember they will be super stiff when you get them.maybe to much . when i bought my 86 the rear end literally sat lower than the front because of the saggies. I did an add a leaf install and have not regretted it yet. I know a lot of people are probably rolling there eyes but the add a leaf was just what i needed. __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/

01-06-2010, 06:36 PM	#25 (permalink)
John101477 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vina, Ca. Posts: 777	Chris nice runner. looks just like mine when I first got it. I would not worry so much about tread although it would be a help. first things I would do starting all over like you are. Lockrite in the rear, TG front bumper, TG rear bumper. both bumpers will run ya just over $650 ( they went up from last year) if nothin else i would get the lockrite first and maybe some cheap aggressive tread. this alone will get you into most places. i would get rid of the apron in the front. that will be the first thing to get tweeked. the rear bumper is super weak so that might work. if I am able to go and right now that looks good, then I have just about all the recovery gear a person could need. oh and add a leaps are about $100 a pair __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke www.northerncalimages.com John101477's 86runner gadgets and build http://www.yotatech.com/f191/john101...-build-212369/ Last edited by John101477; 01-06-2010 at 06:37 PM.

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