solid axles for SAS

tortis · 11-04-2007, 04:27 PM

since i can't find an 85 truck i am going to buy a late 80's early 90's model 2WD extended cab and do a SAS. so if you guys know where i can buy the front and rear axles let me know please. if you need my cell, pm me and i will send it to ya. i think the 85 truck is a myth.

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colsoncj · 11-04-2007, 08:03 PM

Sorry you cant find one man... that sucks.

I'm pretty sure I have a rear axle, depending on if you want a SA rear or IFS rear (I think I have both...)

I also have most of a SA for up front.... I know I have the housing and knuckles, but I dont think I have the spindles. If you're looking for a complete one, I know I dont have that, but I did see one for sale a while back: http://groups.google.com/group/rockc...6ae4c64577c96c

Contact him, he usually has one lying around for sale (be it posted or not...)

colsoncj · 11-04-2007, 08:04 PM

BTW... heres a 85 pickup for sale:

TOYOTA, 1985 4x4 pickup with flatbed, 21,000 miles on over haul, $3000. 417-358-5162, cell- 417-592-3123.

colsoncj · 11-04-2007, 08:12 PM

Heres another:

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/457478665.html

colsoncj · 11-04-2007, 08:15 PM

Also, if you need someone to look at them (if they're close) I can probably help ya out. I think the first one is close to me, the second one is a little far for though...

fillsrunner4 · 11-04-2007, 09:44 PM

check out craigslist or close junk yards im sure you can find the axles your looking for. As for those 85 they are hard to find cause they kick A$$ haha good luck

Cargun · 11-05-2007, 09:30 AM

Should have let me know you were looking before I moved all this junk to NY. I got enough parts to build 4 solid front axles. Including spindes for about 8 axles! (the price of which just went up since Cory is short

)

If you're looking to do high steer and relocated front hangers it's a wash whether you start with a solid axle truck or a IFS rig. There's a post down here from a couple years ago where Cory and I laid all the costs out. If you're leaving it stock... then the SFA is obviously the way to go.

I like the idea of starting with a 2wd truck... it's like you're contributing to the greater good of society by getting a 2wd off the road and adding a 4wd to the gene pool.

colsoncj · 11-05-2007, 09:43 AM

im not out of spindles, I just dont have any extras outside of my stock... I wouldnt mind a set though...

tortis · 11-05-2007, 10:51 AM

ok, i called about the 2 trucks one is about eight hours away and the other is in tulsa with a bad second gear.

i found a set of axles out of a 84 truck, with spring and rims for 300 bucks.

i am a new at this, so what is up with the spindles? i have been living over on pirate these last couple of days. so much to learn.

86-95 are the years to look for, because in 96 the 2.7 was used and the intake and exhaust are on the wrong side. right?

what would you guys do? wait on an 85, or SAS. just like the two trucks mentioned, they are so far away. i think i would have better luck doing a SAS.

colsoncj · 11-05-2007, 11:01 AM

Well, like Hans said, if your going to lift it, high steer it, etc... you'll wind up doing the same amount of work to an IFS truck or 2WD truck as you would to the 85. You'll end up putting new hangers on it and so on. Albiet with a SAS you will cut off a lot more than a factory SA truck. It just depends on what you want to start with. If you like the 90+ bodystyle better, get one of those and SAS it. All you'll need is a SAS kit and the axle. If you dont care about body style or get an 85 or 84 then you'll just need part of a SAS kit and an IFS steering box.

You can do a 96+ but you'll need a different axle than a toyota. Most use a waggy D44. 96+ the diff drop is to the drivers side which is the reason why you cant use the toy axle. The intake / exhaust sides are flipped but thats just because the diff drop... Also the 2.7 isnt a bad motor at all, nor is the 3.4.

Personally, I like the 90-95 ext cab pickup bodies and the 96-98 4Runner bodies, so if I were to start over, Id get one of them and just sas it. Now I have these new trucks and im really stoked about my 84, but I'm leaving it semi stock.... so a SA truck was definately the way to go. My 87 is going to go big, so it'll get SASd.

tortis · 11-05-2007, 11:14 AM

i am going to run 33's, so maybe a small lift if any. i think i will go and get the $300 set of axles this weekend and get that part done.

i like the 90-95 bodies myself. i think i will be easier to find one of those here in town, or closer than 7 hours away.

so what is the spindle deal? will i need special spindles?

colsoncj · 11-05-2007, 12:21 PM

Dont worry about the spindles. The only reason it came up is I have a bunch of axles that need spindles....

Cargun · 11-05-2007, 01:01 PM

The 2.7 isn't a big deal... check over on Marlin for how they're doing it as there are a lot of SAS's with Toy axles running the 2.7 on that board.

For 33's I'd just push the front axle forward and be done with it. You'll have to shorten up the drag link some, or maybe an adjustable one will let you adjust it shorter.

If you're going with a slight lift, check on Pirate for how to flip the drap link to the other side of the steering arm so they don't hit each other during driver side droop and snap the steering arm.

tortis · 11-05-2007, 01:44 PM

talk about luck, or it is prayer. anyway, found a guy about 40 miles from here that has about 6 85's. he wanted to know what color i wanted he has so many. he buys them, fixes them up and sells them. only bad thing, not really a bad thing, but they have about 7'' of lift on them. i am going to take a look at them in the next couple of days. will keep you guys posted. he wants $4500
so will see.

Reaper · 11-05-2007, 07:45 PM

If only I had some extra cash I would pick up that 85.

jjrgr21 · 11-05-2007, 08:44 PM

there is a dana 44 on the ttora main site for $300

http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82806

colsoncj · 11-05-2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tortis

talk about luck, or it is prayer. anyway, found a guy about 40 miles from here that has about 6 85's. he wanted to know what color i wanted he has so many. he buys them, fixes them up and sells them. only bad thing, not really a bad thing, but they have about 7'' of lift on them. i am going to take a look at them in the next couple of days. will keep you guys posted. he wants $4500
so will see.

Sounds good, let us know what you find! Hopefully it works out and you wind up with what you want!

Cargun · 11-06-2007, 05:50 AM

7" is a lot of lift. I'm running 37's with 6" of lift and I think I'm at least 2" too tall.

881stGenRunner · 11-06-2007, 06:25 AM

arent the 2wd frames not as beafy? I know they are not fully boxed like the 4wd frames are. something to consider if you were still thinking about a 2wd to start with.

colsoncj · 11-06-2007, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 881stGenRunner

arent the 2wd frames not as beafy? I know they are not fully boxed like the 4wd frames are. something to consider if you were still thinking about a 2wd to start with.

I believe so, but nothing a little steel and a welder couldnt fix.

Cargun · 11-06-2007, 09:23 AM

Not-boxed could be an advantage. I've never seen a mini-truck frame break due to abuse, but I've seen dozens of them rust from the inside out after crap fills up the inside of the boxed section.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456498

Front of the 2wd frames are shaped like SFA frames, might be better for <3" suspension lifts with high steer.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327958

2wd frame looks boxed, but the tranny crossmember is different. Maybe the 70's 2wd trucks were C-channel frames.

**Lysmachia** · 11-06-2007, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tortis

since i can't find an 85 truck i am going to buy a late 80's early 90's model 2WD extended cab and do a SAS. so if you guys know where i can buy the front and rear axles let me know please. if you need my cell, pm me and i will send it to ya. i think the 85 truck is a myth.

If you want both F&R axles all set up, 5.29 gears with 30 spline chromoly longfields in front, upgraded studs, All Pro high steer arms, outer knuckle gussets - and both axle housings gusseted to the hilt with custom diff skids. FJ 80 brakes, and vented rotors. V6 Calipers, spider trax wheel spacers. There set is here in Colorado. I have no idea what you would do about shipping, but if you are interested call Eston at All Phase (Their number is three 0 three 678, 7413)

The front axle is from an 85, the rear is from a 93 V6. They were built to work together on the same truck.

Cargun · 11-06-2007, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lysmachia

They were built to work together on the same truck.

I hate it when my axles don't get along.

Any idea what lockers are in them?

tortis · 11-06-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lysmachia

If you want both F&R axles all set up, 5.29 gears with 30 spline chromoly longfields in front, upgraded studs, All Pro high steer arms, outer knuckle gussets - and both axle housings gusseted to the hilt with custom diff skids. FJ 80 brakes, and vented rotors. V6 Calipers, spider trax wheel spacers. There set is here in Colorado. I have no idea what you would do about shipping, but if you are interested call Eston at All Phase (Their number is three 0 three 678, 7413)

The front axle is from an 85, the rear is from a 93 V6. They were built to work together on the same truck.

freight would kill me

tortis · 11-06-2007, 03:05 PM

i looked at the 85 today, it is a no go. $4500 and it was rough. the guy was running 37's, and i wish i would have taken my camera so i could show you the rear drive shaft. it was lifted 7", and i just don't see how the damn thing even turned. the body was rusty, kinda like somebody started sanding for paint and got to bare metal and does not prime it, that kind of rust.

there is an 88 regular cab a guy has cut the IFS out, and welded the rear hangers on and has the brackets for the front hangers ready to be welded on. he has the front axle and springs, and 5 new rims with new swampers. he is willing to trailer to my house from 4 hours away for $2350, oh, and the motor has a fresh rebuild, but that i will take with a grain of salt. he is emailing pics tonight.

as everybody knows, this is my first SAS. i am scared of buying a project that is already started. i am going to have to take his word on the condition of the diffs, trans, and t-case and motor for that matter. the front diff has 4.11's. i was going to install 4.88's anyway, so that point is kinda mute.

so what do ya think? buy or pass? the price is right, and with new tires and rims, that saves me some money. tell me what you think and don't sugar coat it.

11-04-2007, 08:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Sorry you cant find one man... that sucks. I'm pretty sure I have a rear axle, depending on if you want a SA rear or IFS rear (I think I have both...) I also have most of a SA for up front.... I know I have the housing and knuckles, but I dont think I have the spindles. If you're looking for a complete one, I know I dont have that, but I did see one for sale a while back: http://groups.google.com/group/rockc...6ae4c64577c96c Contact him, he usually has one lying around for sale (be it posted or not...) __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-04-2007, 08:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	BTW... heres a 85 pickup for sale: TOYOTA, 1985 4x4 pickup with flatbed, 21,000 miles on over haul, $3000. 417-358-5162, cell- 417-592-3123. __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-04-2007, 08:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Heres another: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/457478665.html __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-04-2007, 08:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Also, if you need someone to look at them (if they're close) I can probably help ya out. I think the first one is close to me, the second one is a little far for though... __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-04-2007, 09:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
fillsrunner4 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sammamish, wa Posts: 2,725	check out craigslist or close junk yards im sure you can find the axles your looking for. As for those 85 they are hard to find cause they kick A$$ haha good luck __________________ 94' toyota 4runner (Many a change!) purchased bone stock, NOW... SAS, 39" Iroks, Rear Leafswap, 5.29's , Air locked front, Welded rear, Chevy 4.3L V6, 5spd swap, dual T/C's MC10R10, flatbelly with custom skids, sliders, Chopped, Bobbed and so much more. Might as well start reading this if ya want know more Fillsrunner4 3.4crawler Build Thread Fillsrunner4.3 crawler (Part Two) build thread

11-05-2007, 09:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cargun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 483	Should have let me know you were looking before I moved all this junk to NY. I got enough parts to build 4 solid front axles. Including spindes for about 8 axles! (the price of which just went up since Cory is short ) If you're looking to do high steer and relocated front hangers it's a wash whether you start with a solid axle truck or a IFS rig. There's a post down here from a couple years ago where Cory and I laid all the costs out. If you're leaving it stock... then the SFA is obviously the way to go. I like the idea of starting with a 2wd truck... it's like you're contributing to the greater good of society by getting a 2wd off the road and adding a 4wd to the gene pool. __________________ I own 11 vehicles... 10 of which are ongoing projects. I need to sell some stuff so I can turn the 11th into a project. Let me know if you're in need of a Yota transfer case, solid front axle, 22R motor, or rear axleshafts. I promise all proceeds will be directed back into the local 4x4 economy (Ok... Marlin may get some of the money) .

11-05-2007, 09:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	im not out of spindles, I just dont have any extras outside of my stock... I wouldnt mind a set though... __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-05-2007, 10:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
tortis Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: shreveport, La Posts: 1,273	ok, i called about the 2 trucks one is about eight hours away and the other is in tulsa with a bad second gear. i found a set of axles out of a 84 truck, with spring and rims for 300 bucks. i am a new at this, so what is up with the spindles? i have been living over on pirate these last couple of days. so much to learn. 86-95 are the years to look for, because in 96 the 2.7 was used and the intake and exhaust are on the wrong side. right? what would you guys do? wait on an 85, or SAS. just like the two trucks mentioned, they are so far away. i think i would have better luck doing a SAS. __________________ 89 Truck X-tra Cab LCE Timing Chain 31'' Maxxis Buckshot 4.88's built by ZUK(the mind reader) Aussie Locker Front and Rear 63'' Chevy Springs Marlin HD Clutch Bilstein HD Shocks 2.5" Exhaust W/Dynomax Muffler 2-50 Watt Backup Lights

11-05-2007, 11:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Well, like Hans said, if your going to lift it, high steer it, etc... you'll wind up doing the same amount of work to an IFS truck or 2WD truck as you would to the 85. You'll end up putting new hangers on it and so on. Albiet with a SAS you will cut off a lot more than a factory SA truck. It just depends on what you want to start with. If you like the 90+ bodystyle better, get one of those and SAS it. All you'll need is a SAS kit and the axle. If you dont care about body style or get an 85 or 84 then you'll just need part of a SAS kit and an IFS steering box. You can do a 96+ but you'll need a different axle than a toyota. Most use a waggy D44. 96+ the diff drop is to the drivers side which is the reason why you cant use the toy axle. The intake / exhaust sides are flipped but thats just because the diff drop... Also the 2.7 isnt a bad motor at all, nor is the 3.4. Personally, I like the 90-95 ext cab pickup bodies and the 96-98 4Runner bodies, so if I were to start over, Id get one of them and just sas it. Now I have these new trucks and im really stoked about my 84, but I'm leaving it semi stock.... so a SA truck was definately the way to go. My 87 is going to go big, so it'll get SASd. __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done. Last edited by colsoncj; 11-05-2007 at 11:04 AM.

11-05-2007, 11:14 AM	#11 (permalink)
tortis Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: shreveport, La Posts: 1,273	i am going to run 33's, so maybe a small lift if any. i think i will go and get the $300 set of axles this weekend and get that part done. i like the 90-95 bodies myself. i think i will be easier to find one of those here in town, or closer than 7 hours away. so what is the spindle deal? will i need special spindles? __________________ 89 Truck X-tra Cab LCE Timing Chain 31'' Maxxis Buckshot 4.88's built by ZUK(the mind reader) Aussie Locker Front and Rear 63'' Chevy Springs Marlin HD Clutch Bilstein HD Shocks 2.5" Exhaust W/Dynomax Muffler 2-50 Watt Backup Lights

11-05-2007, 12:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Dont worry about the spindles. The only reason it came up is I have a bunch of axles that need spindles.... __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-05-2007, 01:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cargun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 483	The 2.7 isn't a big deal... check over on Marlin for how they're doing it as there are a lot of SAS's with Toy axles running the 2.7 on that board. For 33's I'd just push the front axle forward and be done with it. You'll have to shorten up the drag link some, or maybe an adjustable one will let you adjust it shorter. If you're going with a slight lift, check on Pirate for how to flip the drap link to the other side of the steering arm so they don't hit each other during driver side droop and snap the steering arm. __________________ I own 11 vehicles... 10 of which are ongoing projects. I need to sell some stuff so I can turn the 11th into a project. Let me know if you're in need of a Yota transfer case, solid front axle, 22R motor, or rear axleshafts. I promise all proceeds will be directed back into the local 4x4 economy (Ok... Marlin may get some of the money) .

11-05-2007, 01:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
tortis Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: shreveport, La Posts: 1,273	talk about luck, or it is prayer. anyway, found a guy about 40 miles from here that has about 6 85's. he wanted to know what color i wanted he has so many. he buys them, fixes them up and sells them. only bad thing, not really a bad thing, but they have about 7'' of lift on them. i am going to take a look at them in the next couple of days. will keep you guys posted. he wants $4500 so will see. __________________ 89 Truck X-tra Cab LCE Timing Chain 31'' Maxxis Buckshot 4.88's built by ZUK(the mind reader) Aussie Locker Front and Rear 63'' Chevy Springs Marlin HD Clutch Bilstein HD Shocks 2.5" Exhaust W/Dynomax Muffler 2-50 Watt Backup Lights

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Reaper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 36	If only I had some extra cash I would pick up that 85. __________________ 91 Pickup - 5sp - 22re- 4x4 No Cat + Cherry Bomb \| Aisin manual hubs \|Diff breather mod \| 2" BL \| Kenwood headunit \| 4.10's \| 31x11.50" LTB Swampers on 15x8" steelies/ 31x10.50 street Tires on black stock 15x7 rims \|55w KC lights \|55w reverse lights

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jjrgr21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,520	there is a dana 44 on the ttora main site for $300 http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82806 __________________ 2003 4WD TRD Tacoma 1986 4Runner

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881stGenRunner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 2,343	arent the 2wd frames not as beafy? I know they are not fully boxed like the 4wd frames are. something to consider if you were still thinking about a 2wd to start with. __________________ -Brandon 1988 4Runner SR5 4x4 V6 5 Speed Swap (R150F)~SDORI 1.5" BJ Spacers~Downey 26MM TBs~Downey 3" Springs~Downey Shackles~PC ES3000s~PC ES2000 SS~Motive Gear 5.29s~Rear Detroit~Front Lock-Rite~Yakima Load Warrior~33x12.5 Pro Comp M/Ts~Cragar 15x8 Streetlocks~Cobra 18 WXSTII~Marlin Crawler Rear~Addicted Offroad Front Bumper~4X Innovations Sliders~WabFab Bikini Kit~Optima Yellow Top~SS IFS Truss. My 4Runner and Other Stuff

11-06-2007, 05:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
Cargun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 483	7" is a lot of lift. I'm running 37's with 6" of lift and I think I'm at least 2" too tall. __________________ I own 11 vehicles... 10 of which are ongoing projects. I need to sell some stuff so I can turn the 11th into a project. Let me know if you're in need of a Yota transfer case, solid front axle, 22R motor, or rear axleshafts. I promise all proceeds will be directed back into the local 4x4 economy (Ok... Marlin may get some of the money) .

11-06-2007, 09:23 AM	#21 (permalink)
Cargun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 483	Not-boxed could be an advantage. I've never seen a mini-truck frame break due to abuse, but I've seen dozens of them rust from the inside out after crap fills up the inside of the boxed section. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456498 Front of the 2wd frames are shaped like SFA frames, might be better for <3" suspension lifts with high steer. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327958 2wd frame looks boxed, but the tranny crossmember is different. Maybe the 70's 2wd trucks were C-channel frames. __________________ I own 11 vehicles... 10 of which are ongoing projects. I need to sell some stuff so I can turn the 11th into a project. Let me know if you're in need of a Yota transfer case, solid front axle, 22R motor, or rear axleshafts. I promise all proceeds will be directed back into the local 4x4 economy (Ok... Marlin may get some of the money) . Last edited by Cargun; 11-06-2007 at 09:46 AM.

11-06-2007, 03:05 PM	#25 (permalink)
tortis Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: shreveport, La Posts: 1,273	i looked at the 85 today, it is a no go. $4500 and it was rough. the guy was running 37's, and i wish i would have taken my camera so i could show you the rear drive shaft. it was lifted 7", and i just don't see how the damn thing even turned. the body was rusty, kinda like somebody started sanding for paint and got to bare metal and does not prime it, that kind of rust. there is an 88 regular cab a guy has cut the IFS out, and welded the rear hangers on and has the brackets for the front hangers ready to be welded on. he has the front axle and springs, and 5 new rims with new swampers. he is willing to trailer to my house from 4 hours away for $2350, oh, and the motor has a fresh rebuild, but that i will take with a grain of salt. he is emailing pics tonight. as everybody knows, this is my first SAS. i am scared of buying a project that is already started. i am going to have to take his word on the condition of the diffs, trans, and t-case and motor for that matter. the front diff has 4.11's. i was going to install 4.88's anyway, so that point is kinda mute. so what do ya think? buy or pass? the price is right, and with new tires and rims, that saves me some money. tell me what you think and don't sugar coat it. __________________ 89 Truck X-tra Cab LCE Timing Chain 31'' Maxxis Buckshot 4.88's built by ZUK(the mind reader) Aussie Locker Front and Rear 63'' Chevy Springs Marlin HD Clutch Bilstein HD Shocks 2.5" Exhaust W/Dynomax Muffler 2-50 Watt Backup Lights

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