Between 3300 and 3900 miles of trails in Moab to be closed!

SAMI188 · 11-26-2007, 08:22 AM

Alright boys and girls. This is it! The final push. Anyone and everyone needs to put a short letter together TODAY!!!!! Even if you never do anything else about land use do this one thing, please, please, please.

The new Moab Resource Management Plan will be finalized by next summer. Depending on how things go, somewhere between 3300 and 3900 miles of EXISTING, DOCUMENTED routes WILL be closed. Keep it closer to 3300 by spending a few minutes reading this post.

The public comment period is open until Friday November 30th!

Your comments will determine how many miles and trails are lost.

Here is a ton of information from Utah 4 Wheel Drive Association, Red Rock 4 Wheelers, Moab Friends-For-Wheelin', and Blueribbon Coalition:

http://www.u4wda.org/documents/U4WDA...nformation.pdf

Please, please, please, take a few minutes to download this document and read it before submitting your comments. We need substantive comments.

Page 7 lists the most important 4x4 specific issues.

Page 15 lists an awesome sample comment letter by BRC.

Page 18 is the official comment letter from Utah 4 Wheel Drive Association.

Page 3 has the address/email for submitting comments

We also have some sweet map comparisons here:

http://www.u4wda.org/moab

A high-up anti-OHV rep boasted that we wouldn't even come close to matching the number of comments they will submit. They are counting on the apathy of 4x4 users to institute these closures in Moab. Don't let them win!

Spend 10 minutes to help save a trail!

FAQ:

Q: Why don't you just list the email address to submit comments?
A: Comments need to be substantive! Simple comments like, "please keep the roads open" or "I support OHV recreation" are worthless and will be discarded. Take a few minutes to read through the information provided, and submit your own comments.

Q: Why don't we use an automated "letter writer" online to submit comments?
A: Automatically generated comments are worthless! These comments are counted as ONE comment even if 10,000 people send in the email. The comments need to be personal, unique, and informed.

Q: Isn't this a little late notice?
A: Information about the RMP has been available for months all over the Internet, in publications, and on numerous online forums. But it's not too late! Submit your comments today!

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**DeathCougar** · 11-26-2007, 11:25 AM

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post the full link again?

SAMI188 · 11-26-2007, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

404 file not found.

post the full link again?

updated

-Jason

**DeathCougar** · 11-26-2007, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAMI188

updated

-Jason

Working now. Cmon guys, send in those letters!

btw you may want to talk to a mod, see if this can get into a more viewed forum, or perhaps a stick at the top of every forum since this directly affects us all.

sdstud212001 · 11-26-2007, 04:10 PM

I have to be honset whats wrong with having to pay to use? Seems that would work for both groups. We have to pay to off road in sedona.

I'm seriouslly not reading all 1500 pages of that crap to get my answer, Im lazy.

**DeathCougar** · 11-26-2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdstud212001

I have to be honset whats wrong with having to pay to use? Seems that would work for both groups. We have to pay to off road in sedona.

I'm seriouslly not reading all 1500 pages of that crap to get my answer, Im lazy.

Do you pay taxes? Yes, you do? Then you have already paid to use the land that YOUR tax dollars are being spent on.

Its public land, owned by the PUBLIC. Paying to use it indicates a private entity, which is wrong.

sdstud212001 · 11-26-2007, 04:37 PM

I see your point but it's kinda a trade off. Pay for use or don't even get the option. MY taxes also go to parks but I don't use the swings, they go to buildings I never step foot in. I pay to get into the grand canyon when I know ways to get in for free, I pay to offroad in sedona, I pay to use the picnic grounds around my town, but I'm there, I'm using them. I just think it's better to have the option to pay for use rather then not be able to enjoy these places at all.

PS I'm a disabled veteran and am entitled to free use of any national park but I still pay. Whats a couuple more dollars 1/2 a gallon of fuel?

SteveO · 11-27-2007, 07:07 AM

shouldn't this be a sticky?
This will affect all people who want to enjoy Moab.

04 Rocko Taco · 11-27-2007, 07:13 AM

Done and Done. WE recently had a similar issue trying to close several trials in Tellico OHV near Murphy, NC. One of the largest and most exstensive OHV's in the southeastern part of the country. We had a big letter writing push, and at least got a temporary reprieve. I wrote this letter for you guys also!! Best of luck!!!

Everyone WRITE SOME LETTERS!!!!

SAMI188 · 11-27-2007, 01:03 PM

who do i PM to nominate this for a sticky?

great work guys! keep the letters flowin!

-Jason

04 Rocko Taco · 11-27-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAMI188

who do i PM to nominate this for a sticky?

great work guys! keep the letters flowin!

-Jason

Also Done!

***Corey*** · 11-27-2007, 01:26 PM

Thread is stuck, thanks for the PM Chris.

Ah, er, someone else used the "Report this post" feature

to get it stuck

I thought we had a fight to break up or something...

04 Rocko Taco · 11-27-2007, 01:33 PM

hahahaha

SAMI188 · 11-28-2007, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey

Thread is stuck, thanks for the PM Chris.

Ah, er, someone else used the "Report this post" feature

to get it stuck

I thought we had a fight to break up or something...

my appologies.. it was the fastest way i knew how to contact a mod without searching one out..

thank you Corey

-Jason

90inworks · 11-28-2007, 05:29 PM

Im more than happy to put in a good word for u guys but my computer wont open it. it keeps freaking out so sorry.... good luck tho

hross14 · 04-03-2009, 07:28 AM

the links doesnt work--i keep getting a HTML ERROR 404.

And agree--my taxes alread paid for public lands--Right whats a million here and a million there--Answer--USA's Trillion Dollar Debt

11-26-2007, 04:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
sdstud212001 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Split time between Flagstaff & Kingman AZ Posts: 1,617	I have to be honset whats wrong with having to pay to use? Seems that would work for both groups. We have to pay to off road in sedona. I'm seriouslly not reading all 1500 pages of that crap to get my answer, Im lazy. __________________ 1987 DLX 4X4 5 Speed: Electric Flex-a-Lite,SR5 guages,Yokohama Geolander A/T+ II,Pro Comp AAL, KC Slimlites, Bull Bar, Aux fuse box, Limo Tint, Marlin Crawler Bumper, painted shell, Sirius Wish List: Safari Rack,Bigger tires, SDORI BJ Spacers, 2001 Limited 4X4 Auto:Tundra 231mm brake upgrade, Brembo Rotors, Akebono Pads, 17" 2007 4Runner wheels, Yokohama Geolander AT-S,Sirius & Limo tint Wish List: TJM Front Bumper, KC Hilites, Safari Roof Rack, Thule Cargo Box, Rock sliders, Limo Tint

11-26-2007, 04:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
sdstud212001 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Split time between Flagstaff & Kingman AZ Posts: 1,617	I see your point but it's kinda a trade off. Pay for use or don't even get the option. MY taxes also go to parks but I don't use the swings, they go to buildings I never step foot in. I pay to get into the grand canyon when I know ways to get in for free, I pay to offroad in sedona, I pay to use the picnic grounds around my town, but I'm there, I'm using them. I just think it's better to have the option to pay for use rather then not be able to enjoy these places at all. PS I'm a disabled veteran and am entitled to free use of any national park but I still pay. Whats a couuple more dollars 1/2 a gallon of fuel? __________________ 1987 DLX 4X4 5 Speed: Electric Flex-a-Lite,SR5 guages,Yokohama Geolander A/T+ II,Pro Comp AAL, KC Slimlites, Bull Bar, Aux fuse box, Limo Tint, Marlin Crawler Bumper, painted shell, Sirius Wish List: Safari Rack,Bigger tires, SDORI BJ Spacers, 2001 Limited 4X4 Auto:Tundra 231mm brake upgrade, Brembo Rotors, Akebono Pads, 17" 2007 4Runner wheels, Yokohama Geolander AT-S,Sirius & Limo tint Wish List: TJM Front Bumper, KC Hilites, Safari Roof Rack, Thule Cargo Box, Rock sliders, Limo Tint

11-27-2007, 07:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
SteveO Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NM Posts: 1,848	shouldn't this be a sticky? This will affect all people who want to enjoy Moab. __________________ http://www.Hunt4Steve.com In the span of time, life is short. Our life is like a wave on the ocean, a flower in the field, here today and gone tomorrow. Know yourself, know where you will spend eternity, for NOTHING else will matter when you die.

11-27-2007, 07:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
04 Rocko Taco Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 4,070	Done and Done. WE recently had a similar issue trying to close several trials in Tellico OHV near Murphy, NC. One of the largest and most exstensive OHV's in the southeastern part of the country. We had a big letter writing push, and at least got a temporary reprieve. I wrote this letter for you guys also!! Best of luck!!! Everyone WRITE SOME LETTERS!!!! __________________ -Chris Tread Lightly! 04 Double Cab PreRunner. 3.4 - Auto 84 4Runner 4WD. 22R - 5 spd Lifted, Locked, 33x12.50 Disclaimer:My Photobucket is being revamped. If there are broken links, shoot me a PM. Thanks. ~Chris Great Toyota Tech

11-27-2007, 01:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
SAMI188 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 85	who do i PM to nominate this for a sticky? great work guys! keep the letters flowin! -Jason __________________ *U4WDA - FIGHT FOR PUBLIC LANDS **MY '85 4RUNNER*

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*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	Thread is stuck, thanks for the PM Chris. Ah, er, someone else used the "Report this post" feature to get it stuck I thought we had a fight to break up or something... __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

11-27-2007, 01:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
04 Rocko Taco Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 4,070	hahahaha __________________ -Chris Tread Lightly! 04 Double Cab PreRunner. 3.4 - Auto 84 4Runner 4WD. 22R - 5 spd Lifted, Locked, 33x12.50 Disclaimer:My Photobucket is being revamped. If there are broken links, shoot me a PM. Thanks. ~Chris Great Toyota Tech

11-28-2007, 05:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
90inworks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sedro Woolley washington Posts: 794	Im more than happy to put in a good word for u guys but my computer wont open it. it keeps freaking out so sorry.... good luck tho __________________ 1994 p/u v-6 4x4 ex-cab Mods, flowmaster 40 series cobra cb tinted windows alpine 6 button cd player 10in mtx square all sorts of trail lights SAS with 8in lift 3in body lift 35in toyo m.t's tires Soon to be mods, tires, wheels, rocker pannels, alarm, Air lockers. :)

04-03-2009, 07:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,169	the links doesnt work--i keep getting a HTML ERROR 404. And agree--my taxes alread paid for public lands--Right whats a million here and a million there--Answer--USA's Trillion Dollar Debt __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

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