Battery will not recharge and alternator is good?

greenie · 05-17-2008, 12:44 PM

Hi guys. this is my first post here. I recently (last week!) bought a lifted 4x4 1987 toyota truck with a 1984 22r engine with 200xxx miles on it with a straight rear axel. When I bought the car, the guy said it needed a new battery and i put one in it and it drove fine. It continued to operate perfectly for 2-3 days. i even took it 4 wheeling and it perforned beautifully. On the night of the problem, i parked my truck and went to sleep.
The next morning, i went to start the truck, and found there to be only enough power to listen to the stereo and turn on my fuel gauge. The starter did not attempt to turnover. I left it for the day, and when i attempted to start it again that evening, absolutely nothing.
The next morning, i bought some jumper cables and jump started my car. After the cables were removed, the car ran for approx 1 minute and then sputtered out again.
The next day i removed the alternator and took it to autozone to be tested. came back as working perferctly. i took the battery in to be charged, and was able to drive the truck around for the day only to be unable to start it again the next morning. While the truck was running, the truck was not able to keep running with the battery disconnected.
I have tightened some of the connections but am really at a loss as to what to do. I believe the problem is:
1) alternator is not charging battery
2) something is slow draining the battery when the vehicle is off

Does anyone have any ideas for me? Im sure that im missing something very basic but this is my first real work truck and dont know where to turn. Any ideas would be REALLY appreciated.

DeathCougar · 05-17-2008, 01:04 PM

Sounds like a dead cell in the battery, and as such will not accept a charge. I have had that problem before.

greenie · 05-17-2008, 01:05 PM

but its a brand new battery?

Jdizzydub · 05-17-2008, 01:05 PM

You're checking in all the right places. Sounds like battery to me..there have been a couple times i've brought one in and they said it was fine, duh..it was charging while i drove it there.
Check connections, clean off and use wire brush.
Check battery water.
Inspect cables.
Usually after u disconnect the batt while running and car dies it's a bad alt??
Good luck man.

hurley842002 · 05-17-2008, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

Sounds like a dead cell in the battery, and as such will not accept a charge. I have had that problem before.

X2 i've had that problem before, usually caused by letting the battery drain too much too many times. Back in high school when my loud stereo was the most important part of my truck, I drained it one too many times and it caused dead cells.

DeathCougar · 05-17-2008, 01:09 PM

Actually if the battery is bad, the truck SHOULD stay running after being disconnected. That is the job of the alternator.

I didn't read your entire post, ie the part about disconnecting the battery and it dying. That leaves me thinking two things:

#1 Alternator is bad (even tho autozone tested it, take it somewhere else for a test)
#2 Your main fuse is bad. Look in the fuse panel, and make sure none of the big 30,40, or 80 amp fuses are blown.

greenie · 05-17-2008, 01:10 PM

so i should just take the battery back to walmart and say that the battery is a piece of garbage and doesnt hold a charge? IF I get a new battery and its still a no go, what are my next options?

greenie · 05-17-2008, 01:11 PM

i can take a picture of my fuses right now. i really dont know how to tell if they are good or not? this is my first time working on a truck by myself, usually im just the helper.

greenie · 05-17-2008, 01:19 PM

wOk. heres pictures of under the hood. Anything stand out?? never mind. i caant post pics bigger than 48 k?
where are the big fuses located? I only have found 10 and 5 amp fuses?
also, would it be a good idea to invest in a voltmeter and how much does one cost?

DeathCougar · 05-17-2008, 01:21 PM

host the pics on Photobucket.com then post them here.

The big fuses will be under the fuse block cover just like the smaller ones

DeathCougar · 05-17-2008, 01:21 PM

once I read it all, it sounds like your battery is ok. LIke i said, you may have an alternator or fuse problem

greenie · 05-17-2008, 01:23 PM

what willl a bad fuse look like? will it stand out?

ozziesironmanoffroad · 05-17-2008, 01:30 PM

yeah, a clip in small fuse will have a thin wire through it. if its good, the wire will be straight. if its blown, the wire will be snapped. with the big ones, same thing.

greenie · 05-17-2008, 01:39 PM

i found the 30 amp fuse and a 40 amp fuse, two 10 amps and 2 five amps and they all looked good. i did not see anything larger than that though? also, isnt there something draning my battery when parked? it went dead overnight after sitting, which would lead me to believe something is draining it?

rowdy235 · 05-17-2008, 02:05 PM

a bad cell in the battery would cause it to drain overnight

CJM · 05-17-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

Actually if the battery is bad, the truck SHOULD stay running after being disconnected. That is the job of the alternator.

I didn't read your entire post, ie the part about disconnecting the battery and it dying. That leaves me thinking two things:

#1 Alternator is bad (even tho autozone tested it, take it somewhere else for a test)
#2 Your main fuse is bad. Look in the fuse panel, and make sure none of the big 30,40, or 80 amp fuses are blown.

Not 100% true, a bad cell will mimick a bad alternator what with the shutting off and all. I would start by getting a multimeter and leaving it on your battery and checking it after you have jumped it. If it doesnt read 13.9 volts or better the alt is shot.

blakegeee · 05-17-2008, 02:18 PM

A bad battery will not cause your truck to die when disconnected. If it is not connected, bad or not, how could it affect the truck, its not connected! That just doesn't make sense. You think the truck dies because a bad battery is in close proximity??? LOL!

Every single thing you said (other than the autozone test) points to the alternator or alternator wires. I would also get it tested somewhere else or invest in a multimeter. If it isn't a few volts above 12 than the alternator is not working.

Your truck needs power to run. So if your alternator is not working, your truck will run until it uses up everything in the battery. Then when being jumped off another car, it is getting power to run from other car. It even got recharged enough from the jump to continue running for a minute after the cables were removed. If not the alternator itself, than its a bad connection on the wires from the alternator. Grounds always corrode faster than positives, but check them all well.

Your truck "should" also run without a battery because it is getting the power it needs directly from the alternator. The parts that are not connected to your truck (ie bad battery) do not affect the operation of the vehicle, hehee!

1stgen4gunner · 05-17-2008, 02:19 PM

Do you know how to use a Multimeter? I had exactly the same problem with my truck something was draining it over night, it was driving me crazy. I used my multimeter and found the promplem when I had a considerable Amp drop coming from the battery when it was off after I took out the fuse connecting to the radio. heres what you do.

1.Turn the multimeter to amps
2. diconnect the negative wire on the battery
3. take the wires on the multimeter and connect the negative one to the negative side of the battery, the other wire should be connected the the negative battery cable.
4. take out fuses, until you see a consider amp drop coming from the battery, then whatever thats powering is whats draining your battery.

The normal amps coming out of you battery when the car is turned off should be between 30-35 amps.

greenie · 05-17-2008, 02:42 PM

thank u guys. Im going to go buy a voltmeter and test those things out like you suggested. Would replacing the alternator and all the cables/wires atached to it resolve this problem?

1stgen: So i want to take the black probe and touch the neg on the battery and then pull fuses untill i see it jump? and thats whats draining it? im sorry for all the dummy questions, im totally new to this and cant

05-17-2008, 12:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	Battery will not recharge and alternator is good? Hi guys. this is my first post here. I recently (last week!) bought a lifted 4x4 1987 toyota truck with a 1984 22r engine with 200xxx miles on it with a straight rear axel. When I bought the car, the guy said it needed a new battery and i put one in it and it drove fine. It continued to operate perfectly for 2-3 days. i even took it 4 wheeling and it perforned beautifully. On the night of the problem, i parked my truck and went to sleep. The next morning, i went to start the truck, and found there to be only enough power to listen to the stereo and turn on my fuel gauge. The starter did not attempt to turnover. I left it for the day, and when i attempted to start it again that evening, absolutely nothing. The next morning, i bought some jumper cables and jump started my car. After the cables were removed, the car ran for approx 1 minute and then sputtered out again. The next day i removed the alternator and took it to autozone to be tested. came back as working perferctly. i took the battery in to be charged, and was able to drive the truck around for the day only to be unable to start it again the next morning. While the truck was running, the truck was not able to keep running with the battery disconnected. I have tightened some of the connections but am really at a loss as to what to do. I believe the problem is: 1) alternator is not charging battery 2) something is slow draining the battery when the vehicle is off Does anyone have any ideas for me? Im sure that im missing something very basic but this is my first real work truck and dont know where to turn. Any ideas would be REALLY appreciated.

05-17-2008, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jdizzydub Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mill Creek, Washington Posts: 562	You're checking in all the right places. Sounds like battery to me..there have been a couple times i've brought one in and they said it was fine, duh..it was charging while i drove it there. Check connections, clean off and use wire brush. Check battery water. Inspect cables. Usually after u disconnect the batt while running and car dies it's a bad alt?? Good luck man. __________________ 97' 4RUNNER SR5 4x4 Lift:OME 881's OME Fronts w/ TOYTEC top out spacer, OME LC Rears 2in. 4crawler BL, SS Diff drop, Custom welded drop bar Performance:Yellow Top,Custom Dual Vortex Exhaust, Magnaflow Hi-flo CAT, K&N FIPK, Diff Breather Mod Wheels & Tires:315 16x9's on MOTO METALS Lights:Silver Reverse Glow Gauges, Hella 500's Armor:Trailgear Sliders, Taco ARB "Sounds stupid. . .sign me up!" Last edited by Jdizzydub : 05-17-2008 at 03:43 PM.

05-17-2008, 01:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	Pictures wOk. heres pictures of under the hood. Anything stand out?? never mind. i caant post pics bigger than 48 k? where are the big fuses located? I only have found 10 and 5 amp fuses? also, would it be a good idea to invest in a voltmeter and how much does one cost? Last edited by greenie : 05-17-2008 at 01:21 PM.

05-17-2008, 01:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 4,174	yeah, a clip in small fuse will have a thin wire through it. if its good, the wire will be straight. if its blown, the wire will be snapped. with the big ones, same thing. __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22RE 258,000 miles on original motor pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

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rowdy235 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sweet Home, OR Posts: 1,375	a bad cell in the battery would cause it to drain overnight __________________ Daily Driver: 1982 Toyota Pickup Base 2WD 22R, TRD Cam,5-sp Manual, Toyota Truck Nation High Miler- 300k+ MPG: 25/32 Off-roader: 1990 Honda H3011SA Riding Lawnmower, 11hp OHV engine, Carlisle SNOW-HOG Tires MPG: 1 Day of "Wheeling" per gallon Come to the 2nd Annual Oregon Yotatech Meetup! June 26-29, 2009: Browns Camp OHV Park http://www.yotatech.com/f5/oregon-yo.../#post50902592

05-17-2008, 01:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	but its a brand new battery?

05-17-2008, 01:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	so i should just take the battery back to walmart and say that the battery is a piece of garbage and doesnt hold a charge? IF I get a new battery and its still a no go, what are my next options?

05-17-2008, 01:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	i can take a picture of my fuses right now. i really dont know how to tell if they are good or not? this is my first time working on a truck by myself, usually im just the helper.

05-17-2008, 01:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	what willl a bad fuse look like? will it stand out?

05-17-2008, 01:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	i found the 30 amp fuse and a 40 amp fuse, two 10 amps and 2 five amps and they all looked good. i did not see anything larger than that though? also, isnt there something draning my battery when parked? it went dead overnight after sitting, which would lead me to believe something is draining it?

05-17-2008, 02:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
blakegeee Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada at the moment but Thailand is home nowadays... Posts: 96	A bad battery will not cause your truck to die when disconnected. If it is not connected, bad or not, how could it affect the truck, its not connected! That just doesn't make sense. You think the truck dies because a bad battery is in close proximity??? LOL! Every single thing you said (other than the autozone test) points to the alternator or alternator wires. I would also get it tested somewhere else or invest in a multimeter. If it isn't a few volts above 12 than the alternator is not working. Your truck needs power to run. So if your alternator is not working, your truck will run until it uses up everything in the battery. Then when being jumped off another car, it is getting power to run from other car. It even got recharged enough from the jump to continue running for a minute after the cables were removed. If not the alternator itself, than its a bad connection on the wires from the alternator. Grounds always corrode faster than positives, but check them all well. Your truck "should" also run without a battery because it is getting the power it needs directly from the alternator. The parts that are not connected to your truck (ie bad battery) do not affect the operation of the vehicle, hehee! __________________ www.JungleFenderFlares.com Only $250 for a full set of offroad Fender Flares! 89-95 Toyota Pick Up --- 95-04 Toyota Tacoma Last edited by blakegeee : 05-17-2008 at 02:30 PM.

05-17-2008, 02:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
1stgen4gunner Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 284	Do you know how to use a Multimeter? I had exactly the same problem with my truck something was draining it over night, it was driving me crazy. I used my multimeter and found the promplem when I had a considerable Amp drop coming from the battery when it was off after I took out the fuse connecting to the radio. heres what you do. 1.Turn the multimeter to amps 2. diconnect the negative wire on the battery 3. take the wires on the multimeter and connect the negative one to the negative side of the battery, the other wire should be connected the the negative battery cable. 4. take out fuses, until you see a consider amp drop coming from the battery, then whatever thats powering is whats draining your battery. The normal amps coming out of you battery when the car is turned off should be between 30-35 amps. __________________ -Dave NOBOMBA '08 "It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated." A Man Without His Yota- PM me if you have anything for sale 2003 KTM SX125, V-Force Reeds, FMF Pipe an Silencer, Pro Taper Bars, Factory Connection Suspension, It is a Factory Bike Right out of the Box Thook- Sure....I'll be your brother. Thook is my brother, and all because of a methane driven, turbo charged outhouse.

05-17-2008, 02:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
greenie Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: chico, ca Posts: 21	thank u guys. Im going to go buy a voltmeter and test those things out like you suggested. Would replacing the alternator and all the cables/wires atached to it resolve this problem? 1stgen: So i want to take the black probe and touch the neg on the battery and then pull fuses untill i see it jump? and thats whats draining it? im sorry for all the dummy questions, im totally new to this and cant