whats it take to roll a vehicle back on all 4

weakyota91 · 04-25-2007, 09:50 PM

my buddy rolled his f250 quad cab 4x4 2 nite and naturally he calls me. I have a 91 toyota 4x4 with a warn 8000 winch. what it take to roll a vehicle back over especially as big as this one? I naturally dont want to burn my winch up but at the same time want to help out my friend. Im not sure of the curb weight of his vehicle but im not lifting it in the air but whats it take to roll it over. How do i tell whats to much for my winch THANKS VERY MUCH GUYS.

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bob200587 · 04-25-2007, 09:58 PM

I'd be willing to bet that that truck weighs 8000 or better. I think the warn 16500 lb winch is reccomended for that size truck.

Is it flopped on it's side or laying on the roof?

I think you could definatley do it if you used a snatch block to double up your cable.

weakyota91 · 04-25-2007, 10:03 PM

Its Just On Its Side Laying Up Agianst A Embankment. If I Use A Snatch Block And Anchor The Back End Of My Truck To A Tree And Use 16000 Lbs Of Pull Power Whats That Gonna Do To My Frame/front Bumper??

**DeathCougar** · 04-25-2007, 10:08 PM

snatch block it, but be very careful. Be sure you know what your line is rated for. Just because the winch/block will handle double the power, doesn't mean the cable will.

bob200587 · 04-25-2007, 10:09 PM

Well, if you're ARB is mounted with all the hardware I don't think it should pose a problem as far as hurting it or the frame.... What I would suggest though, is if you do try to pull it. You will have a hard time pulling it sideways because the tires will just be dragging, not rolling, plus it may be hard to find a suitable spot to hook up to. I'd try pulling from the front or rear at an angle so that it can roll and move out away from the embankment.

I think that the ARB should be really solid....I mean, they put alot of engineering hours into it, so you'd think they would make it to where it would be able to handle some serious loads. And if you have a hitch in the rear, I'd use that to anchor to the tree as it will be centered and put less stress on the rear of the frame.

**DeathCougar** · 04-25-2007, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weakyota91

Its Just On Its Side Laying Up Agianst A Embankment. If I Use A Snatch Block And Anchor The Back End Of My Truck To A Tree And Use 16000 Lbs Of Pull Power Whats That Gonna Do To My Frame/front Bumper??

as long as you are securely anchored to the frame, it wont hurt anything. You're not dead lifting the entire weight of the truck, just rolling it over on an axis.

Do NOT use the flismy factory front or rear bumpers. You'll pull those right off the truck.

weakyota91 · 04-25-2007, 10:15 PM

Yea Its A Arb. Well Lol I Have 12 Out Of 16 Bolts The 4 That R Missing Go Into Bottom Of Front Crossmember (where Top Of Skidplate Bolts) So I Think It Will Hold We Will See Im Headed Out There I Will Let U Guys Know Tomorrow What Happens And Take Some Pics If They Show Up.

Elvota · 04-25-2007, 11:02 PM

I saw a technique that was a little advanced but simple in concept. Scroll way, way, way down this link to the "Roll-over stiff leg" diagram and instructions. It's almost at the end.

Click me:

The entire article has an amazing amount of info and should more then answer any question you could ever have about line rating, winching, pulling and extraction.

Perhaps this "Stiff Leg" technique will give you the leverage you will need. I have never tried it, but it does seem to make sense and the author obviously has a very thorough understanding of the subject.

Best of luck.

Edit: Make sure you clear the cylinders of oil by removing the spark plugs and firing the motor once you are rubber side down. If you don't, and oil is in there, the engine can hydro lock and cause all sorts of major damage. Be careful and come prepared as oil can shoot a great distance at high velocity. Do you best to keep the mess contained and respect the surrounding area to keep us all wheeling in the future.

seanz0rz · 04-25-2007, 11:30 PM

truck weighs no more than 7000 pounds.

Kevin286 · 04-25-2007, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

I saw a technique that was a little advanced but simple in concept. Scroll way, way, way down this link to the "Roll-over stiff leg" diagram and instructions. It's almost at the end.

Click me:

The entire article has an amazing amount of info and should more then answer any question you could ever have about line rating, winching, pulling and extraction.

Perhaps this "Stiff Leg" technique will give you the leverage you will need. I have never tried it, but it does seem to make sense and the author obviously has a very thorough understanding of the subject.

Best of luck.

Edit: Make sure you clear the cylinders of oil by removing the spark plugs and firing the motor once you are rubber side down. If you don't, and oil is in there, the engine can hydro lock and cause all sorts of major damage. Be careful and come prepared as oil can shoot a great distance at high velocity. Do you best to keep the mess contained and respect the surrounding area to keep us all wheeling in the future.

X2 on billavista's winching bible.

The short though, if it's on it side you will have no problem flipping it back to all four with your 8k warn. I have the same winch and have flipped back my buddys truck and it took hardy any effort at all. Stand clear, be safe.

Mark in MD · 04-26-2007, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

snatch block it, but be very careful. Be sure you know what your line is rated for. Just because the winch/block will handle double the power, doesn't mean the cable will.

Using a snatch block though, the stress on the cable is almost half, since there are essentially two cables.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

I saw a technique that was a little advanced but simple in concept. Scroll way, way, way down this link to the "Roll-over stiff leg" diagram and instructions. It's almost at the end.

Click me:

The entire article has an amazing amount of info and should more then answer any question you could ever have about line rating, winching, pulling and extraction.

Wow! Great link! THANKS

weakyota91 · 04-26-2007, 09:37 PM

Well sorry guys i couldnt get any pics. they didnt turn out. everything was to dark. but little yota pulled him back over. streched all but halp of a full wrap of cable out when around a tree using a snatch block and to his truck while anchoring the ass end of myne to a tree and pushed to button took all of 30 seconds and bam his truck was back on all four. I was very surprised it was that easy.

deserttoy84 · 04-26-2007, 11:29 PM

should of just left it

04-25-2007, 09:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
bob200587 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,853	I'd be willing to bet that that truck weighs 8000 or better. I think the warn 16500 lb winch is reccomended for that size truck. Is it flopped on it's side or laying on the roof? I think you could definatley do it if you used a snatch block to double up your cable. __________________ 87 4runner 4x4 SR5 22RE ARB Bull Bar, 31X10.50 Mastercraft M/T's, Stock 4.10 Gears, Flowmaster Muffler, LCE Header AISIN Manual Hubs, Marlin Crawler Sliders 190XXX miles

04-25-2007, 10:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
weakyota91 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Redding C.A. Posts: 300	Its Just On Its Side Laying Up Agianst A Embankment. If I Use A Snatch Block And Anchor The Back End Of My Truck To A Tree And Use 16000 Lbs Of Pull Power Whats That Gonna Do To My Frame/front Bumper?? __________________ 1991 extended cab 3.0 v6 5" trail-gear sas swap 63" chevies in rear 35x12.5 goodyear mtr's 4:88 gears with trutrac front, locked in rear warn m8000 w/arb front bumper marlin crawler rear bumper flowmaster 40 series

04-25-2007, 10:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
bob200587 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,853	Well, if you're ARB is mounted with all the hardware I don't think it should pose a problem as far as hurting it or the frame.... What I would suggest though, is if you do try to pull it. You will have a hard time pulling it sideways because the tires will just be dragging, not rolling, plus it may be hard to find a suitable spot to hook up to. I'd try pulling from the front or rear at an angle so that it can roll and move out away from the embankment. I think that the ARB should be really solid....I mean, they put alot of engineering hours into it, so you'd think they would make it to where it would be able to handle some serious loads. And if you have a hitch in the rear, I'd use that to anchor to the tree as it will be centered and put less stress on the rear of the frame. __________________ 87 4runner 4x4 SR5 22RE ARB Bull Bar, 31X10.50 Mastercraft M/T's, Stock 4.10 Gears, Flowmaster Muffler, LCE Header AISIN Manual Hubs, Marlin Crawler Sliders 190XXX miles

04-25-2007, 10:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
weakyota91 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Redding C.A. Posts: 300	Yea Its A Arb. Well Lol I Have 12 Out Of 16 Bolts The 4 That R Missing Go Into Bottom Of Front Crossmember (where Top Of Skidplate Bolts) So I Think It Will Hold We Will See Im Headed Out There I Will Let U Guys Know Tomorrow What Happens And Take Some Pics If They Show Up. __________________ 1991 extended cab 3.0 v6 5" trail-gear sas swap 63" chevies in rear 35x12.5 goodyear mtr's 4:88 gears with trutrac front, locked in rear warn m8000 w/arb front bumper marlin crawler rear bumper flowmaster 40 series

04-25-2007, 11:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	I saw a technique that was a little advanced but simple in concept. Scroll way, way, way down this link to the "Roll-over stiff leg" diagram and instructions. It's almost at the end. Click me: The entire article has an amazing amount of info and should more then answer any question you could ever have about line rating, winching, pulling and extraction. Perhaps this "Stiff Leg" technique will give you the leverage you will need. I have never tried it, but it does seem to make sense and the author obviously has a very thorough understanding of the subject. Best of luck. Edit: Make sure you clear the cylinders of oil by removing the spark plugs and firing the motor once you are rubber side down. If you don't, and oil is in there, the engine can hydro lock and cause all sorts of major damage. Be careful and come prepared as oil can shoot a great distance at high velocity. Do you best to keep the mess contained and respect the surrounding area to keep us all wheeling in the future. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles Last edited by Elvota; 04-25-2007 at 11:31 PM.

04-25-2007, 11:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
seanz0rz Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cal Poly Pomona or Redlands, CA Posts: 1,282	truck weighs no more than 7000 pounds. __________________ 1998 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 in Evergreen Pearl Metallic, Sonoran Steel #1, 285/75R16 BFG A/T, Elocker retrofit, Tundra calipers, brembo blanks, hawk lts pads, CarPC in custom center console with molded Indash touchscreen, KC daylighters mounted on Surco Safari rack, Custom sound system, 4xinnovation sliders, sleeping platform, Shrockworks front bumper, 1" 4crawler body lift, etc. Pictures Photobucket is being updated, if a picture i posted no longer works, please PM me.

04-26-2007, 09:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
weakyota91 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Redding C.A. Posts: 300	Well sorry guys i couldnt get any pics. they didnt turn out. everything was to dark. but little yota pulled him back over. streched all but halp of a full wrap of cable out when around a tree using a snatch block and to his truck while anchoring the ass end of myne to a tree and pushed to button took all of 30 seconds and bam his truck was back on all four. I was very surprised it was that easy. __________________ 1991 extended cab 3.0 v6 5" trail-gear sas swap 63" chevies in rear 35x12.5 goodyear mtr's 4:88 gears with trutrac front, locked in rear warn m8000 w/arb front bumper marlin crawler rear bumper flowmaster 40 series

04-26-2007, 11:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
deserttoy84 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 862	should of just left it __________________ 1984 toyota sr5 4x4 22r w/ weber 32/36 Pro comp 4" front springs & 3" rear downey spring Home made On-board air system V6 4.88 lock rites F & R Bilstein 7100 reservoir shocks

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