Turbo Diesel Engines?

Ryan · 08-20-2008, 10:35 PM

So does anyone on here know much about Diesel Engines? I have the 22RE now and if possible I would like to swap it to for aTurbo Diesel. Does anyone know if this is possible and where I can get everything I need to do it.
If this is not a good idea I may want to swap in a Chev Turbo Diesel V8 or something. My goal is to use Bio Diesel that my friends father makes for $0.75 per gallon and have around 250-325 Foot Pounds (torque) to pull camping trailers and a boat. What do you all know about possibly converting my 22RE to Turbo Diesel, is it possible? Thanks guys

Mic09dcsm · 08-20-2008, 10:42 PM

I think you will have to redo the entire drivetrain, but I would go with a Cummins 4BT or 6BT.

Ryan · 08-20-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mic09dcsm

I think you will have to redo the entire drivetrain, but I would go with a Cummins 4BT or 6BT.

Ya, that is a great swap but it looks like a lot of work and really expensive. Does anyone know anything about converting the 22re to diesel?

nv4runner · 08-21-2008, 12:02 AM

I'm not sure about converting to Diesel, but I do know that Diesels are built very different. Much heavier internals, and heads (no spark plugs). You'd have to get rid of the stock intake or totally mod it so the throttle plate no longer exists and the gas pedal would have to control the fuel, which means a new fuel delivery system and injectors. Converting doesn't make sense to me, but it would be cool to see one thats been converted.

Converting to propane is much easier I've heard as you only need to mess with the fuel delivery.

Ryan · 08-21-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nv4runner

I'm not sure about converting to Diesel, but I do know that Diesels are built very different. Much heavier internals, and heads (no spark plugs). You'd have to get rid of the stock intake or totally mod it so the throttle plate no longer exists and the gas pedal would have to control the fuel, which means a new fuel delivery system and injectors. Converting doesn't make sense to me, but it would be cool to see one thats been converted.

Converting to propane is much easier I've heard as you only need to mess with the fuel delivery.

Well my Priorities are 1st to gain more power/tourqe, 2nd to use Bio Diesel, 3rd to have the fun of various boost levels with a Turbo. So if I can just double the power of this weak little 22RE then at least I can make it over the passes at more than 45mph with out risking the water temp getting too high. Is this common on all 22RE 4Runners to get so hot. I am afraid one day I will forget to watch the water temp and it over heats.

nv4runner · 08-21-2008, 01:06 AM

The heat problem sounds like your fan isn't working right, your radiator is clogged or the fins are damaged and not allowing air through, your thermostat is not functioning correctly, or any combination of these. I had a subaru wagon that ran hot until i replaced the radiator. Haven't had to do that with my 4runner yet but it is on the list.

I haven't heard of a way to double the power of a gas engine, but you can definitely increase it by doing a high flow/cold air intake, turbo/supercharge it, better flowing exhaust, different cam profiles, stand alone fuel management... so many ways to try to get more power. Most have been done or discussed here. I'm sure someone who's more familiar with the 22re will chime in.

samziegl · 08-21-2008, 01:07 AM

You can't convert your 22RE to diesel, the metal used in the engine isn't strong enough to be able to withstand the heat required to burn diesel fuel, as it takes almost twice as much heat energy to burn diesel fuel compared to regular gasoline. If I were you, I would try to find a 2wd toyota diesel pickup and swap the engines.

FredTJ · 08-21-2008, 08:36 PM

You have a problem (obviously) with your cooling system on your existing engines.
These do NOT run hot.

Regarding the diesel swap, possible, yes, legal, no...

Fred

DeathCougar · 08-21-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mic09dcsm

I think you will have to redo the entire drivetrain, but I would go with a Cummins 4BT or 6BT.

Yea, the 6bt weighs roughly 900lbs without accessories. I don't really think thats an option in our puny Toyotas.

Adam F · 08-22-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Ya, that is a great swap but it looks like a lot of work and really expensive. Does anyone know anything about converting the 22re to diesel?

ANY engine swap is going to be expensive and a lot of work. If your not willing to spend a lot of money and time, give up now.

If you want easy and cheap, buy a used 97-98 Ford F350 powerstroke.

Ryan · 08-24-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nv4runner

The heat problem sounds like your fan isn't working right, your radiator is clogged or the fins are damaged and not allowing air through, your thermostat is not functioning correctly, or any combination of these. I had a subaru wagon that ran hot until i replaced the radiator. Haven't had to do that with my 4runner yet but it is on the list.

I haven't heard of a way to double the power of a gas engine, but you can definitely increase it by doing a high flow/cold air intake, turbo/supercharge it, better flowing exhaust, different cam profiles, stand alone fuel management... so many ways to try to get more power. Most have been done or discussed here. I'm sure someone who's more familiar with the 22re will chime in.

Of course I checked out the thermostat, Fans, Radiator, and everything else. It all seems to be working just fine. If the fan was the problem, the water temp would get lower as I drive not higher, plus it seems to cool down to a normal temp when I come to a stop for a few minutes. Another thing to consider when trying to figure this out is that it only happens when it is above 100 degrees outside while on an incline on the freeway. I have driven the truck on level ground when it is 115 degrees out with no problems but as soon as I hit some of those 6% inclines over the passes on the way to Flagstaff, the water temp approaches the red line, but only when it is considerably hot out..

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredTJ

You have a problem (obviously) with your cooling system on your existing engines.
These do NOT run hot.

Regarding the diesel swap, possible, yes, legal, no...

Fred

What are you talking about being legal. There is nothing illegal about swapping a diesel engine, turbo diesel, or a turbo bio-diesel as long as the vehicle passes proper inspection and emissions. There are no Arizona Revised Statute Laws stating that it is illegal to swap engines in any vehicle, please share with us what your mean exactly. Thanks

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Originally Posted by DeathCougar

Yea, the 6bt weighs roughly 900lbs without accessories. I don't really think thats an option in our puny Toyotas.

This is true, however the 4TB is a common swap that a lot of companies are putting into older Land Cruisers. This is an expensive swap though and I would like to do a swap around $4500 or less.

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Originally Posted by Adam F

ANY engine swap is going to be expensive and a lot of work. If your not willing to spend a lot of money and time, give up now.

If you want easy and cheap, buy a used 97-98 Ford F350 powerstroke.

I am looking for a cheap and easy solution I can do at home, but I am not looking for a Ford LOL. I like the Ford my buddy has because he too has a F250 Turbo Bio-Diesel with tons of upgrades. I would ideally just like a little more power. Maybe I can just do cam and headers for now while I decide what diesel engine to swap. What do you think a good cam upgrade is with out changing the valve train?

nv4runner · 08-24-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FredTJ

Regarding the diesel swap, possible, yes, legal, no...
Fred

I believe he's referring to converting a gas to a diesel. If not, then I second the want of an explanation.

NicCantDecide · 08-24-2008, 01:00 AM

$4500 or less would be very difficult even if you were swapping a 3vz-e for a 5vz-fe, which is one of the most common and easy to do swaps.

The engines themselves are cheap compared to all the little parts you have to buy and the fabrication you'd have to pay for (if you weren't doing it yourself).

NicCantDecide · 08-24-2008, 01:01 AM

Oh, and as far as engine swaps. In CA it is only legal to swap an engine in that came from the same model vehicle of the same year or newer. It varies from state to state.

Ryan · 08-24-2008, 01:14 AM

$4500 should be enough, considering that of course I can fab anything. CA has its pros and cons, good times and good weather, but I have never owned a car that would be legal there I guess. I am not a big fan of the 3vz-e but I agree they do have considerable more power. I had another 4runner a few years ago with one but love the reliability of the 22RE. I have a friend that has been trying to talk me into a Chev V8 Turbo Diesel. That should be a really easy swap considering all the after market support for V8s swaps in Toyota and the huge after market support for v8 Chev turbo Diesel parts.

bigt · 08-24-2008, 01:27 AM

looking looking at a 2lt hilux surf or a 3b 86 bj-70 the surf is turbo and drove like a dream.. the torque is unreal and it was quiter than my 22res are!!

Adam F · 08-24-2008, 10:02 AM

Get an intake, header, exhaust, and a cam from http://www.engnbldr.com/ that should give you some more power.

Belize Off Road Team · 08-24-2008, 12:05 PM

Look at getting a 70's TOYOTA diesel. either from a Hilux, stout, BJ series LC.
No emissions have to be worried about, and your keeping with a TOYOTA brand name.

bigt · 08-24-2008, 12:07 PM

this 2lte hilux surf was sooo clean!!!and 108km has updated heads and the guy has babied it since 77km a year and half ago all hiway driveing to ottawa and bancroft

but something tells me to buy a rusty bj-70 with 3b and 300km

08-20-2008, 10:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ryan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 122	Turbo Diesel Engines? So does anyone on here know much about Diesel Engines? I have the 22RE now and if possible I would like to swap it to for aTurbo Diesel. Does anyone know if this is possible and where I can get everything I need to do it. If this is not a good idea I may want to swap in a Chev Turbo Diesel V8 or something. My goal is to use Bio Diesel that my friends father makes for $0.75 per gallon and have around 250-325 Foot Pounds (torque) to pull camping trailers and a boat. What do you all know about possibly converting my 22RE to Turbo Diesel, is it possible? Thanks guys __________________ 1986 4Runner SR5, Stock 22RE w/5speed, Rear Detroit Locker, Front LSD, 4:88 Gears, 4" Lift, New Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ 33X12.50X15 Tires on the way. Mtn Bike For Sale: http://www.yotatech.com/f110/cannond.../#post50888473 Last edited by Ryan : 08-24-2008 at 12:44 PM.

08-21-2008, 12:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
nv4runner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 92	I'm not sure about converting to Diesel, but I do know that Diesels are built very different. Much heavier internals, and heads (no spark plugs). You'd have to get rid of the stock intake or totally mod it so the throttle plate no longer exists and the gas pedal would have to control the fuel, which means a new fuel delivery system and injectors. Converting doesn't make sense to me, but it would be cool to see one thats been converted. Converting to propane is much easier I've heard as you only need to mess with the fuel delivery. __________________ 92 4Runner 5 spd V6 31X10.5X15LT

08-21-2008, 01:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
nv4runner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 92	The heat problem sounds like your fan isn't working right, your radiator is clogged or the fins are damaged and not allowing air through, your thermostat is not functioning correctly, or any combination of these. I had a subaru wagon that ran hot until i replaced the radiator. Haven't had to do that with my 4runner yet but it is on the list. I haven't heard of a way to double the power of a gas engine, but you can definitely increase it by doing a high flow/cold air intake, turbo/supercharge it, better flowing exhaust, different cam profiles, stand alone fuel management... so many ways to try to get more power. Most have been done or discussed here. I'm sure someone who's more familiar with the 22re will chime in. __________________ 92 4Runner 5 spd V6 31X10.5X15LT

08-24-2008, 01:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ryan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 122	$4500 should be enough, considering that of course I can fab anything. CA has its pros and cons, good times and good weather, but I have never owned a car that would be legal there I guess. I am not a big fan of the 3vz-e but I agree they do have considerable more power. I had another 4runner a few years ago with one but love the reliability of the 22RE. I have a friend that has been trying to talk me into a Chev V8 Turbo Diesel. That should be a really easy swap considering all the after market support for V8s swaps in Toyota and the huge after market support for v8 Chev turbo Diesel parts. __________________ 1986 4Runner SR5, Stock 22RE w/5speed, Rear Detroit Locker, Front LSD, 4:88 Gears, 4" Lift, New Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ 33X12.50X15 Tires on the way. Mtn Bike For Sale: http://www.yotatech.com/f110/cannond.../#post50888473

08-24-2008, 01:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
bigt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: chippawa niagara falls ontario Posts: 1,985	looking looking at a 2lt hilux surf or a 3b 86 bj-70 the surf is turbo and drove like a dream.. the torque is unreal and it was quiter than my 22res are!! __________________ 1991 HILUX SURF SSR-X 2-lte turbo diesel with upgraded head tons of cool options you dont get in north America RIGHT HAND DRIVE,auto,push button 4wd,turbo timer,31.1-.50.15 bfgs,factory fender flares,window flares. CAR DOLLY sirius TUNED TO HOWARD 100 trail ifs rig goldie fate unknown blue 93 srf 4runner NEW TRAIL RIG IN POGRESS ifs welded rear few mods for now rebuilding fj 60 series front axle for future s.a.s

08-20-2008, 10:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mic09dcsm Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 236	I think you will have to redo the entire drivetrain, but I would go with a Cummins 4BT or 6BT.

08-21-2008, 01:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
samziegl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5	You can't convert your 22RE to diesel, the metal used in the engine isn't strong enough to be able to withstand the heat required to burn diesel fuel, as it takes almost twice as much heat energy to burn diesel fuel compared to regular gasoline. If I were you, I would try to find a 2wd toyota diesel pickup and swap the engines.

08-21-2008, 08:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
FredTJ Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Age:59 Posts: 1,166	You have a problem (obviously) with your cooling system on your existing engines. These do NOT run hot. Regarding the diesel swap, possible, yes, legal, no... Fred

08-24-2008, 01:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
NicCantDecide Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 165	$4500 or less would be very difficult even if you were swapping a 3vz-e for a 5vz-fe, which is one of the most common and easy to do swaps. The engines themselves are cheap compared to all the little parts you have to buy and the fabrication you'd have to pay for (if you weren't doing it yourself).

08-24-2008, 01:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
NicCantDecide Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 165	Oh, and as far as engine swaps. In CA it is only legal to swap an engine in that came from the same model vehicle of the same year or newer. It varies from state to state.

08-24-2008, 10:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
Adam F Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 1,988	Get an intake, header, exhaust, and a cam from http://www.engnbldr.com/ that should give you some more power. __________________ Parting out 3vze V6, click for details 88 4Runner. In process of V8 swap

08-24-2008, 12:05 PM	#18 (permalink)
Belize Off Road Team Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Corozal Town, Belize Posts: 2,391	Look at getting a 70's TOYOTA diesel. either from a Hilux, stout, BJ series LC. No emissions have to be worried about, and your keeping with a TOYOTA brand name. __________________ -Phyl 1991 Hilux Surf SSR-G Petrol 3.0L V6 193,000kms l 3.4L V6 264,000kms to be rebuilt then installed! l Rancho RS5000 l 31"x10.50"xR15 Pro Comp Xterrain l K&N Drop in filter l PP 1" Lift Coil Springs l TRD shift knob l Lv. 3 First Aid Kit l White Gauges & Temp Controls l LED conversion l 80/100W Hella H4 l Hella Black Magic l 1st Gen Roll Bar Mod l FT/RR Diff. Breathers l Smittybilt XRC8 Winch l TOYOTA TOUR 2008 トヨタ\|NEVER QUIT

08-24-2008, 12:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
bigt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: chippawa niagara falls ontario Posts: 1,985	this 2lte hilux surf was sooo clean!!!and 108km has updated heads and the guy has babied it since 77km a year and half ago all hiway driveing to ottawa and bancroft but something tells me to buy a rusty bj-70 with 3b and 300km __________________ 1991 HILUX SURF SSR-X 2-lte turbo diesel with upgraded head tons of cool options you dont get in north America RIGHT HAND DRIVE,auto,push button 4wd,turbo timer,31.1-.50.15 bfgs,factory fender flares,window flares. CAR DOLLY sirius TUNED TO HOWARD 100 trail ifs rig goldie fate unknown blue 93 srf 4runner NEW TRAIL RIG IN POGRESS ifs welded rear few mods for now rebuilding fj 60 series front axle for future s.a.s