toyota4x4907

I'm surprised only one other person has mentioned the 3rz. Whats so bad about the 3rz that you guys neglect to say it? You don't have to change the timing chain like you do on the 22r(e). It has the same risk of blowing a headgasket as most engines do. It has more power than a 22re and gets better mpg. It is also pretty easy to work on. Not as much as the 22r(e) but nearly. I do think the 22r(e) is a pretty dang impressive engine, but I think the 3rz beats it.

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jskijoe

IMHO in addition to the venerable 22RE and Ford I-6, the BMW engines in older 3 and 5 series M10, M20, & M30 are tops in the reliability department for them. I hope the 5VZ is one of them since I'm swapping one of those in!

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Trustyrusty

I would say in this order

Toyota 3.4-I made it to 300,XXX before the motor ate crap.
Toyota 22R-180K, overheating the engine three times, and blew the HG.
Ford 240 & 300 I6's-Had one in my van, had 240,XXX miles on it, ran like crap though.
Ford 302
Chevy 327

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faytmorgan

i have a b16a2 that is beatin on like a nascar everyday has currently 111k not much yet no problems just need to keep oil in it (vtec and all)

i think the best motors are def the small block chevy especially the 302 which is a small journal 327 with a 283 crank.

longer rods are the way to go for reliability a closed deck and non interfierence in all honesty fi is not really the best way to go the more gizmos (imho) one adds the more crap there is to break.

i think we need to look at f1 engines if we are going to be doing anything any better.

i cant remember which engine it was exactly but in the late 70's bmw has a 1500 cc motor with like 6.5 compression and boost to 1500 or so hp- it never broke down. the problme with that is that the compression was so low that it really would not be streatable not that that is what they were going for of course.

ozziesironmanoffroad

sorry, but im gonna have to go with, in this order: the old volkswagen bugs, then the ford 390 (yeah yeah, ford, but ive seen a few with upwards of 400,000 miles and still pulling STRONG, original motor. according to my dad, grandpa, and a lot of mechanics ive met, the 390 is fords best engine ever made) and the 22re. though the 22re is the only one id own out of the 3... the VW has no power, the 390 has too much power, (thus gas mileage.... ICK) and the 22re has more power than the VWs, but not nearly as much as the 390, which also means it gets way better mileage. so theres my list. flame suit *engaged*. *press switch repeatedly* dammit, even in my imagination nothing works.

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99SR5

the 4.6 ford motors are pretty good. a mechanic at my work has seen many with over a million miles on them

the ford 5.0 is pretty good too

and the 22RE

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jackwolf

Anything human powered.

Either fueled by some sort of ideology or just plain motivated by a nice long piece of wet raw hide.

the_supernerd

In my experience:

1. Almost anything Toyota, especially R series engines, 20R being the most reliable.
2. Subaru EA-71 & EA-81
3. Chevy small block & 4.3 (the rest of the truck falls apart, though)
4. Jeep 4.0 I6

My cousins had an old '70s Honda CVCC that they drove hard for a long time and then tried to kill a few times. They had it so beat that it could barely move. They had it hauled away still running. I am not sure what engine was in it, but that makes my list.

I also had a Daihatsu Rocky with the 1.6. I think that engine would have got a good reputation if more were sold in the US.

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hross14

I think to be on the most reliable list they have to consistently get over the 300k mark

**Dodge 249/225 Slant I6
**Ford 390 and 460
**Toyota 20/22 series motor (with chain change however)--And there are alot of other Yota motors

**i dont put the 350 in there because i havent seen many of them with crazy amounts of miles consistenly
**Same thing with the Ford 4.6--never heard of one hitting a million miles let alone more than one
**Honda makes a good motor and they last but i dont think they really compare to the other greats

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yodathespian87

1. 22R, missing some of the vaccum lines, sometimes has a lack of oil and still runs and pulls strong.
2. Old VW engines (from sand rails and those bugs, been around and still work great)
3. 3.4 5vz (I have yet to hear anything bad about these engines)

-Not the 3vz!!! Nothing but problem, hence why you find them all over the place with blown engines.

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WatsonToyota

The Honda v-tech motors, from what i have seen and heard, seem to be pretty good, burns oil but its a honda
gotta go w/ the Toyota 22r series motors though. A lot of people where i live are pretty dedicated to these little trucks, they can handle a lifetime of beating without slowing down and seem to have a mind of their own....if only we didn't use salt on the roads...
Also, try floating a valve or redlining that old dodge or ford motor and lemme know how it turns out!

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AZ89LONGBED

The ford modular v-8's in just about any variation from the SOHC 4.6 to the quad-cam 5.6 are pretty bulletproof. I personally know of a 4.6L 1994 ford thunderbird with over 200,000 miles on it that has survived three teenage drivers. The tranny was replaced at 160,000, but the motor is fine.

I had a cj-5 with an AMC 304 v-8 that went 290,000 miles, and several of the AMC 258 I-6's with between 100,000 to 200,000 on them. The Jeep 4.0 is based on the 258.

22re's seem to take a beating, but mine the bed at 150,000, so I dunno...

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Andy_Structable

briggs and stratton for the win, 5 horse is good. the 22r is great because even if everything does break, it might still drive home. i'm sure weve all seen the one on youtube that was running with a connecting rod hanging out the side of the block. i pulled one out of a celica with 450k miles and stuck it in a buddies truck a couple years ago. it was a low budget swap so the only thing we spent money on was oil and parts cleaner. runs great, check engine light won't turn off.

i think easy to work on is almost more important than rliability, if my truck breaks down i don't consider it a failure if i can fix it on the side of the road and drive away in a few minutes. hondas are just as reliable as toyotas but harder to work on, in my opinion.

my favorite engines that i have actually experience with:

flathead hurricane six, have one in my 62 willys jeep, starts up fine at 17 below zero

5fse, have one in my 91 celica, 220k but all very abusive miles, i tow trailers up mountains with this car.

the four banger in the 83 camry i used to have (only issue, gear fell off end of distributer shaft once, easy fix but i thought it was the TB at first.)

chevy 350, have one in my 1ton van, 250k. intake manifold gasket leaked when i got it. i just globbed some epoxy into the spot where the coolant was coming out and have had no trouble since. also, the radiator is held together with epoxy.

94toyota

i'd go 1uz before i got my toyota we had chevys 305 350 327 396 327 the only ones of thoes engines that ever made it to 90k was the 327 and 396 who ever says that a 350 chevy would evin make 300k on one rebuild is outta there mind and has never owned one

4runnininMT

i've got 170k on my 4runner 3.4 and yet have to have any problems at all...and i've definately had 'er redline several times(not intentionally!)...
aside from that, i'd say the CUMMINS 5.9 hands down....i only wish i could put that in my 4runner!

RMA

Ive bought and sold many early 90's toyota 2wd pickups with the 22re and all of them were bought for under $700 with something wrong with the motor , was either the head gasket or a piston out the side of the block.90% of those trucks were under 200,000 miles .

Its still my favorite motor because its so easy to work on.

I have read alot of good things about the 1uz-fe and for the last year have been trying to buy up some cars with this motor and the cheap ones are cheap because they are wrecked not because having engine problems, and Im not saying there hasnt been any , I just havnet seen them.

22re = most favorite
1uz = most reliable

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Gnarly4X

Well, depending upon what your definition is of "reliable"... the early VW engines, with their very simple design, will out do a 22R/RE. The 22's are incredible engines, but they do have some problems around 100K miles.. head cracks, head gasket leaks, timing chain.

TJMWO,

gNARLS.

corax

I just don't see the headgasket problems everyone else does with the 22RE. Before I did my swap, the factory original 22RE in my 4runner had ~250k miles on it - even looked like it had the factory timing chain guides (starting to break, of course).

I've heard the Toyota inline 6's - 7MGE & 2JZGE - are damn near bulletproof (though the 7M does have weak a weak link, it's easily corrected with higher head bolt torque). We'll see as I continue to beat on mine like a red-headed step child . . .

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Gnarly4X

Yeah, we all can have different experiences. My 1986 22RE started leaking coolant to the outside of the head around 130K. On my 1985 22R, the head was cracked at number #3 chamber right at the water port. When I bought a new head, I spoke the owner, George, at Desert Cylinder here in Phoenix. I was told that they see lots of 22 heads and that the effects from electrolysis are usually bad enough starting around 100K miles, which causes many of the head gasket problems. On my 1985 22R, I did a t-chain job at 178K miles, and a head job at 213K miles. Knowing what I know now, on my 22s, I would do a "normal" preventative maintenance on my engines at 150K miles.... do a complete head job, check the rockers for wear, replace the camshaft, have a valve job done, helicoil all exhaust studs, or buy a new head complete. At the same time I would replace the timing chain and guides.

That's just my worthless opinion.

gNARLS.