element

Quote: Originally Posted by Diesel_Freak Quote: Originally Posted by element GM 2.8 You're kidding right... Worst motor ever. I wasn’t. Granted, my answer to the OP question is purely anecdotal. I don’t have any research to back up my statement. But there were a lot of those engines in the town I grew up in and they didn’t seem to leak or burn oil. 250k miles without an overhaul on a few (decent by GM standards). GM did put them in several cars that they were under powered for though… Out of curiosity, what cars had problems with the 2.8 and did they have mechanical failures?

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2002 4Runner Sport Edition

stormin94

The 2.8 in the Jeep Cherokee's of the early and mid 80's were crap. Just about the only thing positive that I can say about them is that when they run, they run smooth and quiet. I read somewhere that the horsepower ratings for the 2.8 V6's was 125, and the torque was around 140. The Jeep 4banger they had at that time had 128 horsepower, and 140 torque. and it got around 23 MPG, compared with the V6's 17MPG....that's assuming you could get it started.

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kenwoodrunner

i had one in an s-10 and i got it to 200k before selling it running good.

here is a link below to 2.8's (cherokees) in the high mileage club. i wouldn't say they are the best motor. but alot of peolpe got over 200k out of em. but some people also had issues.

Link:
http://www.allpar.com/old/club/searc....8&type=engine

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element

I have been the one that was confused about this all along. GM DID produce a similar motor for the Jeeps of the 80’s. GM 60 degree V6 - Wiki

I didn’t realize this fact.

I grew up in Flint, MI (the Buick city! ) and there were a ton of these engines in Buick, Pontiac and Chevy coupes and sedans and the Chevy S-body light trucks. Aside from being very underpowered for some applications (try stomping the gas pedal in a heavy 89 Camaro or a 86 S-10 Blazer and you’ll see what I mean) but they were getting 200k.

This was at a time where 90k on the ODO meant a ring job was do for one of the big 3 engines and the Hondas and Toyotas were just starting to show how long they could really run!

Maybe news was already out on the Honda and Toyota longevity by that time in the rest of the country, but people didn’t want to hear about it in Flint.

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element

Does this mean I am a victim of brainwashing by mid-eighties General Motors propaganda?

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Diesel_Freak

Well, I grew up driving a 91 Trooper with the GM 2.8 in it and it was the worst motor I've ever seen in a 4x4. It didn't smoke or appear to burn oil, it just ate it, a stashed it somewhere to the tune of 1qt/500mi... It had an effective power band of 3750-4000rpm and even then it felt like it was going to run a piston out the hood. We had a bunch of valvetrain issues, and some odd little failures. It fianly blew a HG and that was the end of it. Yeah they put them in the Cherokee for a while too. Same story, no power and crappy milage. Another turd from Genral motors what a shocker.

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98sr5tacoma

the oldsmobile aurora 4.0 liter v8 was pretty good it was codeveloped with lotus i think and was used in indy for awhile pretty advanced for gm in the early to mid 90s

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SEAIRESCUE

Honda 2.2 by far the best motor ever. 16 valves and easily capable of 6000 RPM's all day long. This is what is in my 93 Accord and I run the he|| out of it on the interstates with no problems while on Mobile 1. Never overheats and never lets me down. Good power and good economy. Sorry Toyota. Maybe you should hire some Honda engineers?

element

Lol. GM continues to use that technology in their Northstar line!

I'll keep my mouth shut about the 2.8 FNO. I have heard from enough people to convince me...

cheers!

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kenwoodrunner

i am going to say the toyota 5sfe and the big brother the 3sfe. first they are non-interference which adds to the fact you see alot of old ones running around (timing belt break won't send them to the junk yard) second they really seem to not have headgasket issues. the only weakness seems to be waterpumps locking up. which is very fixable.

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rdharper

On the subject of non-interference engines... been thinking about a new Tacoma. Are either the 4 or 6 cylinder versions non-interference?

On a side note.. are any engines still using chains? I looked at the chain on my Mercedes (below). It is not only a chain, it is a wide chain.

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'94 Toyota 4Runner V6 3L 158K miles 14mpg
'85 Toyota 22rec 4WD SR5 LB PU 208K miles 18mpg
'08 Honda Ridgeline RT 2.6K miles 16mpg
'06 Honda Rincon ATV 410miles/65hrs 22 mpg

Belize Off Road Team

there is a Vet in Medicine Hat Alberta Canada, Dr. Kent Fuson, any way he had a 1990 3.0 V6 3vz-e and in 2003 he had over 950,000kms with NO MAJO WORK or rebuilds done. heck by that time he still had not taken it in for it's head gasket recall. so how you drive is what decides how long your engine lasts.

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rdharper

I think you are correct. I'd add that not ever overheating that engine is key. in addition to regular oil changes. It may be that the gasket used on the original 3.0L engine was more susceptible to problems IF the engine is overheated due to whatever. This would explain all the anecdotal problems... and the recall.

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'94 Toyota 4Runner V6 3L 158K miles 14mpg
'85 Toyota 22rec 4WD SR5 LB PU 208K miles 18mpg
'08 Honda Ridgeline RT 2.6K miles 16mpg
'06 Honda Rincon ATV 410miles/65hrs 22 mpg

JohnnyRanger54

Id have to go with either the VW 1.8 8 valve CIS-E or the Honda B16A motor... I had a 8v dub shrick 282 cam, 5 angle job, full race port on cis-e, put down 142 ponies on a Mustang Dyno 650, daily driven had more then 280k on it and ran like a raped ape... Ive seen the B16A with more then 400K on them and runnin cherry.. Boogity boo...

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bleakhorizon

there are a couple that come to mind yes the 20/22r the vws arent to bad bud the valves always need adjustments, and the older 1600 and 1800 subaru engine's

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loacyota

When I rebuilt my 22r last year, everything was original, had almost 1/4 inch play in the pistons and it still ran fine, smoked like hell, but no noise or anything. Now I can let that thing rip at 5000-6000 rpm all day long. Between that or the inline 6 that were in land cruisers would win.

941uzfetaco

2.5 olds iron duke 4cyl,350 chevy and the toyota r series motors

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kenwoodrunner

very good motor but didn't early (first year) ones have head gasket problems?

the sbc is a given

i believe the 20r(more stout timing chain) and the 22r were better than the 22re, but i still think the 22re is awesome. mike

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rowdy235

I am not sure if the 4 or 6 are (non) interference, but the new 5.7 l found in the tundra and new sequoia uses a chain

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sardi55

both the 4 and 6 in the new tacomas are chains and non interference motors that was a main determinate of me buying mine. The 4 is the same as in the old tacos just with a little more power.

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ulfr

Hmm, 2.8 (LD28) Datsun, 2.4 Disel (Hilux, LC, 4Runner, 2L). 350 LS1.
Probably alot of other engines out there who can run, but those are the engines I've seen run for miles on top of miles, I know of many hilux that have reached more than 1.000.000 miles. Aswell as the LD28, and of course the ol' VW motor... And then there is the 4.0l I6 motor from Toyota that was used in LC60. (I can't recall the engine number ATM, 1HZJ or something like that.)
I have 1KZ-T motor in my truck and it's been driven for 280.000 km and still running fine.
Also, I've seen 3VZ-E motors running past the 500k miles... heh.
Probably there are LOTS of engines out there who have proven to be reliable, but this is my experience...

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Cargun

Northstar based. Not very reliable, and very expensive to fix. The first 4 years they made them are famous for blowing head gaskets, and then you have to drop the engine to fix it since you have to timesert the block before bolting the head back on. Definitely on the list of engines that needs to be traded while it's still under warranty.

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87toy.

i have a 55 vw panel, original motor with over 100k on it(1200 cc all stock), not sure how many miles because it only has 5 digits, but it has excellent compression, and sat from the late 70s till about 2001, drained the oil, new oil filter(more strainer) plugs and valve adjustment, no carb rebuild no new wires or cap or rotor, and cranked right up, rebuilt the carb because it leaked from the shaft and new oil pump and been driving it since.

(eidit) ive got a buddie with a 71 bug with over 400k only normal maintance.

i hope my 22r will last as long as some of yours, but its only at 111k

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YeloSub7

i dont care about cars... only trucks I refuse to drive em. On my 3rd Toyota (x2 22re and x1 3vze) with a wrangler in the middle of that.

22RE Hands down the most reliable, enough power in the 1st gens w/ a 5 speed. Easy as pie to work on, the little you need to. I never want to drive anything else.

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